911 Was A Conspiracy -warning! Big Post

[Infowars]

"In some ways she was far more acute than Winston, and far less susceptible to Party propaganda. Once when he happened in some connexion to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, ’just to keep people frightened’. This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him." George Orwell: 1984

burning of the Reichstag (parliament) building in Berlin, on the night of Feb. 27, 1933, a key event in the establishment of the Nazi dictatorship and widely believed to have been contrived by the newly formed Nazi government itself to turn public opinion against its opponents and to assume emergency powers. Adolf Hitler had secured the chancellorship after the elections…

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNew...efs_010501.html

N E W Y O R K, May 1 — In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.


Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/D...nac_030310.html

In open letters to Clinton and GOP congressional leaders the next year, the group called for "the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power" and a shift toward a more assertive U.S. policy in the Middle East, including the use of force if necessary to unseat Saddam.

And in a report just before the 2000 election that would bring Bush to power, the group predicted that the shift would come about slowly, unless there were "some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor."

That event came on Sept. 11, 2001



http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/2002-08...2/usw_plane.asp

WASHINGTON (AP) — In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism — it was to be a simulated accident.

Ah yes a bizarre coincedence I really believe that, HONEST


OK why would the CIA do something so transparently obvious?
Because maybe that was the only way to make NORAD stand down on the morning of 911 to allow the hijacked airliners to fly for a long time without being intercepted.

A few years ago,golfer Payne Stewarts light aircraft was intercepted minutes after deviating from its flight plan.


Alex Jones' great documentary 911 The Road To Tyranny
Conclusively proves that the Oklahoma city bomb was yet another Reichstag fire type conspiracy.It also provides some evidence of the 911 conspiracy and shows how Oklahoma and 911 have been used as excuses to militarize the U.S. police and to allow US Soldiers to break the 'posse comitatus' law.

Another Alex Jones documentary about 911:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/Masters_Of_Ter...ror_128KBps.wmv



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911 investigation hits obstacles
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WASHINGTON -- Lawmakers leading the investigation of intelligence agencies' failures surrounding the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks are increasingly concerned that tactics by the CIA and the Justice Department are actively impeding their efforts, congressional sources said Friday.

Members of the Senate and House intelligence committees are so frustrated with the tactics, sources said, that they intend to complain directly to CIA Director George J. Tenet and Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft.

Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, declined to discuss the committee's concerns with the CIA and the FBI in detail but said: "There are problems we are going to have to address."


Sept. 15 — U.S. military sources have given the FBI information that suggests five of the alleged hijackers of the planes that were used in Tuesday’s terror attacks received training at secure U.S. military installations in the 1990s
What a coincidence.

Hijack suspects alive and well

Who on earth did 911 if we dont know their identities???

IF the Government didnt do 911 why are they 'smothering' INDEPENDENT 911 investigations with all their effort?

Family advocates also wanted to know why the government -- and specifically the Bush administration -- has been so reluctant to find answers to any of the obvious questions about what went wrong that day, why so little has been fixed, and why virtually nobody has accepted any responsibility for the glaring failures.

CIA 'trailed Al Qaeda before 911 attacks'



Hijackers ex-landlord was ex-FBI agent

Taleban warned US of 'huge attack'


A 911 relative tells the 911 commission her suspicions!

The financial links between Bush and Bin Laden

US pilots banned from carrying guns 2 months before 911

Bush held up plan to hit Bin Laden




Here is a lecture from ex-cop Mike Ruppert :
Talking about the geo-strategic possibilities in a post 911 world and Zbignew Brzezinskis book that predicts 911 the 'war on terror' and the formation of a one-world-government.

WHO is behind it all?

The Illuminati

and

The Illuminati

and of course:

The Illuminati

[Infowars]

If you want to know how,why and who did 911 you need to educate yourself about the NEW WORLD ORDER

George Bush Snr.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/g...1_nwo_video.htm

Gary Hart
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/g...t_nwo_video.htm

Dan Qualye
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/d...e_nwo_video.htm

H G Wells
http://www.prisonplanet.com/hg_wells_the_n...orld_order.html


QUOTE:Nor does it alter the fact that even when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people, from maharajas to millionaires and from pukkha sahibs to pretty ladies, will hate the new world order, be rendered unhappy by frustration of their passions and ambitions through its advent and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to estimate its promise we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents,


Gorbachev:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/episo...iews/gorbachev/

Bush Jnr. and Snr.
http://old.smh.com.au/news/0109/15/world/world14.html

Tony Blair
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1594675.stm

Neo-Cons
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/new...ics/5773710.htm

The pope
http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.ph...phtml?sid=36523
"It is precisely this hope and this concept of solidarity that must ever inspire all men and women -- in the Holy Land and elsewhere -- in working for a new world order based on harmonious relations and effective cooperation between peoples"


-The New World Order is the name for a future One World Government which will be totalitarian.E.g.George Orwells 1984.

[Fallen Angel]

And who do you think will be running that organisation?

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

Lets all run out and buy aluminum foil to wrap our heads in...

[Jim]

I once read heavily about cults and militias, back when I was interested in becoming an agent for the FBI. I figured, jeez, these cult members, how could they fall for something so stupid? I resigned myself to a policy of avoiding all religions. Genius! I can never be part of a cult if I refuse to believe in all higher powers!

Then 9/11 rolled around. Conspiracies abound. I had just become somewhat politcally awakened a few months before the attacks, and as most teenagers do, I leaned to the left. I read sites that hinted at, or explicitly stated that 9/11 was a conspiracy. Things began to add up. Of course it was done by Bush! How could a steel building collapse if the melting point of steel isn't reached by burning jet fuel? There must've been a bomb!

But slowly, over time, I began realizing that most of the evidence for conspiracies is contrived at best. The logic is half-formed. "The worst lies are mostly truth," a wise man once said.

Many people espousing theories know nothing of how the systems they confronted work. Example: the melting point of steel. To bend a spoon, you needn't melt it, just make it warm. The same thing with the WTC. If 900 witnesses saw one thing, and one saw another, the conspiracist assumes the one black sheep is the only one not being controlled by the government coverup.

I finally figured out how intelligent, educated people can be sucked into cults. It's logical. It really is. Empirical evidence is trumped by "logic." This is Copernican thinking all over again (planet orbits must be circular, since a circle is a perfect shape!) Cults give people what they need. I needed an explanation as to how something so horrible as 9/11 could've happened. I assume that's something close to how people who are afraid of death or society create religions.

Maybe there is a giant conspiracy. Then again, maybe Emperor Xenu is coming on a comet spaceship to take 15 people who've never been kissed to Planet Blisstonia.

[Fallen Angel]

Cults primarily go for lonely people, who will believe anything to get company, these organisations which flourish in western society and take advantage of these poor people to get rich, make me almost physically sick.

[G. Adams]

Originally posted by Fallen Angel@Sep 1 2003, 04:39 AM Cults primarily go for lonely people, who will believe anything to get company, these organisations which flourish in western society and take advantage of these poor people to get rich, make me almost physically sick.

And I work for a CEO to make him rich, just in order to feed myself another day, it makes me sick.

Jim, you say you decided not to believe in all higher powers, yet you want to become and FBI agent? That means you believe what your superiors order you to do must be right, or else why would you work for them. Unless your really mercentile and don't care, just their for the money and fun of it.

[Infowars]

http://www.examiner.com/news/default.jsp?s...=n.lawyer.0611w

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=30312

The evidence is all there, the historical precedent of the Reichstag fire, Operation Northwoods. Go on just ignore the evidence - when America turns into a police state I hope you like it.

[G. Adams]

America is on the way to a police state whether or not they manipulated the 9/11 attacks.

[indierockboy]

if i were the administration, i would have orcheastrated some variety of conspiracy that would have alotted me more power than 9/11 does. this is just another example of how a rather minor incident (lets face it, 3 000 americans died. americans kill 15 000 americans a year. the flu kills 35 000) has been blown out of proportion. the bush administration has been using this as justification to cater to it's own agendas (and the agendas of big business, which bush has been serving dutifully).

as for america becoming a police state; that will never really be necessary, as television, mass media, and pop culture keeps the population willfully complacent.

[[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS]

Originally posted by indierockboy@Sep 1 2003, 01:54 PM if i were the administration, i would have orcheastrated some variety of conspiracy that would have alotted me more power than 9/11 does. this is just another example of how a rather minor incident (lets face it, 3 000 americans died. americans kill 15 000 americans a year. the flu kills 35 000) has been blown out of proportion. the bush administration has been using this as justification to cater to it's own agendas (and the agendas of big business, which bush has been serving dutifully). as for america becoming a police state; that will never really be necessary, as television, mass media, and pop culture keeps the population willfully complacent.

You want something bigger than 9-11...are you out of your mind

I believe the Gov't had involvement in the attacks

Hey infowar could you provide a link of when Bush admitted he saw the first plane crash into the WTC

[Fallen Angel]

Originally posted by G. Adams@Sep 1 2003, 09:16 AM And I work for a CEO to make him rich, just in order to feed myself another day, it makes me sick. Jim, you say you decided not to believe in all higher powers, yet you want to become and FBI agent? That means you believe what your superiors order you to do must be right, or else why would you work for them. Unless your really mercentile and don't care, just their for the money and fun of it.

So your saying cults are fine with you then? At least your CEO pays tax, cults are out of that brackett, because they are unacountable.

[indierockboy]

Originally posted by [ÄK LËGÖLÄS,Sep 2 2003, 02:40 PM]You want something bigger than 9-11...are you out of your mind I believe the Gov't had involvement in the attacks Hey infowar could you provide a link of when Bush admitted he saw the first plane crash into the WTC

no, i'm not out of my mind. i didn't say i want something bigger than 9-11, i was simply stating that if an administration wanted to fabricate attacks upon itself, it could've come up with far more versatile and devestating attacks. this is nothing more than a convoluted conspiracy theory.

[G. Adams]

Originally posted by Fallen Angel+Sep 3 2003, 01:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fallen Angel @ Sep 3 2003, 01:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-G. Adams@Sep 1 2003, 09:16 AM And I work for a CEO to make him rich, just in order to feed myself another day, it makes me sick. Jim, you say you decided not to believe in all higher powers, yet you want to become and FBI agent?  That means you believe what your superiors order you to do must be right, or else why would you work for them.  Unless your really mercentile and don't care, just their for the money and fun of it.

So your saying cults are fine with you then? At least your CEO pays tax, cults are out of that brackett, because they are unacountable. [/b][/quote]
Oh boohoo, taxes are nothing if you earn the kind of money a CEO makes. $20 million bonus? Even if they took 90% of you that would still be $ 2mill, the yearly salary of around 100 normal people.

Cults can be fine, it depends what they espouse. Somebody may call a Wiccan group a cult but I have no gip with them. I'd rather them than a Christian group. But if we're talking Branch Davidians, Raellians or the dreaded Jehovahs Witness', then I know where your coming from. But they have a right to exist if they wish to, its only when they act upon their beliefs and infringe my, or someone elses, rights that it matters.

[Fallen Angel]

I'm an easy target for them, as soon as I walk into the city they are crossing at the lights almost drooling at the prospect of my wallet, I've chased two of them away so far, they must have spread the word to each other because they leave me alone now, they were not mormans, the mormans although extremely annoying to me, just say after I tell them to go jump, ' you have a good day now sir', which is fine with me because I usually intend apon having one anyway, but these guys were like following me sometimes when I crossed the park, they were neatly dressed but I didnt like the way they were staring at me, so I charged at one and he bolted haha, the other one backed off too.
I don't like violence anymore than you do, but when they stalk you thats crossing the line.
Basically cultists, including the annoyingly pleasant brainwashed mormans should have maybe a stall that they cannot venture out of or call out to people walking past, if someone is interested they can go to them not the other way round.
Next time any of these guys Jehohos, morons,haris, mooners, raelians,7 dayers, Spooks, mindphukers you name it come to the door just say 'can I show you something' then close the door.

[Jim]

The evidence is all there, the historical precedent of the Reichstag fire, Operation Northwoods. Go on just ignore the evidence - when America turns into a police state I hope you like it.

Yes, all governments have lied before. But the Reichstag fire and Operation Northwoods don't have anything to do with 9/11. Just because a government lied once, doesn't mean anything it says is automatically a lie.

Jim, you say you decided not to believe in all higher powers, yet you want to become and FBI agent? That means you believe what your superiors order you to do must be right, or else why would you work for them. Unless your really mercentile and don't care, just their for the money and fun of it.

Not necessarily. It's not like I'd be going in blindfolded. It would essentially be humanitarian work, only for the oppressors (hate groups were what I was really into), rather than the oppressed. Also, I wanted to be an FBI agent when I was 16. I do not anymore.

[BadBoy]

I think there is some fishy material regarding the whole Sept 11 thing. I for one don't think the Pentagon was hit at all. I have read many reports since seeing this first link... when I get some time I will dig the readable stuff up. Check this link out.

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pen.../erreurs_en.htm

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

A plane hitting a normal build does leave debris that can be indentified, because the buildings are fairly flimsy and the plane is hardened in order to stay together during a flight, and the plane and buildings tend to be of different material. A plane hitting the sheer rock of a mountain also leaves debris because there is very little rock to confuse with the plane and the plane is build of differing materials.

A plane hitting the side of a reinforced building is a different matter. Both have heavy structural members and how easy is it to tell reinforced aluminum from reinfored steel? Since the damage is limited to a much smaller area due to the strenght of the building that means that the kenetic energy that is released over time is mush greater. The heat that would be released only several blocks in an urban area, was all released in hundreds of yards. This means that the tempurature reaches were potentially increased by the same factor that the distance was reduced.

So yes, a plane crashing into a city block would create heat ranging up to the heat of the ignited JP4, since the friction heat would be irrelevant. But take a mass the size of the airliner, the velocity (squared, remember) and work out the amount of kenetic enerygy realeased in the crash, then add the jet fuel...and then look at the pictures and notice that the building looks more like it was broiled than burnt.

[RebelWithanAK]

Conspiracy? No, but that's not to say that Bush didn't have a hand in the travesty. It would appear that the first year or so of his reign heralded a complete halt in any and all diplomatic talks America was taking part in, plus some rather harsh language in relation to China, Syria and Iraq. It wasn't a surprise at all to hear that Al Qaeda's major grievances were our one-sided support of Israel and our military bases in Saudi Arabia. And it's not as if our pulling out of India/Pakistan talks helped any.

I don't believe that Bush, who never had a passport, was smart enough in foreign affairs to orchestrate anything - but I do believe that he benefited greatly from the devastation in NYC and that had even mediocre Gore gotten into office and followed in Clinton's footsteps, this would never have happened as it did.

[Fallen Angel]

Well if it was'nt a plane what the hell was it?
And what happenned to the plane that was hijacked for this purpose if it never reached its target?
There was a highjacked plane reported for this target was'nt there?