911 Was A Conspiracy -warning! Big Post

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

That is the great thing about conspirisy theories, they ignore the fact that there had to be several hundred witnesses, that are for some unknown reason keeping quite. (lol)

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by GreatWyrm of Babylon@Sep 6 2003, 01:42 AM A plane hitting the side of a reinforced building is a different matter. Both have heavy structural members and how easy is it to tell reinforced aluminum from reinfored steel? Since the damage is limited to a much smaller area due to the strenght of the building that means that the kenetic energy that is released over time is mush greater. The heat that would be released only several blocks in an urban area, was all released in hundreds of yards. This means that the tempurature reaches were potentially increased by the same factor that the distance was reduced.

Just nitpicking but wouldn't Steel would slight magnetic and Aluminium not?

And also, there are many chemical tests to tell to the difference as they have different valency and react differently...

[Pooeypants]

I thought this conspiracy was about the gov't letting it happen, kind of Pearl Harbour? *shrugs*

[RebelWithanAK]

Making poor decisions is related to pre-meditated criminal proceedings, but not exactly the same. =P

B'sides, the jet fuel was mostly expelled harmlessly in the air on the opposite side of the towers. The reinforced steel and concrete survived the initial blast, but their specifications rather hint that they couldn't take extended periods of burning - like when you set fire to nine stories of office equipment after stripping off the fireproofing with a giant guided missile...

[G. Adams]

Micheal Meachers Guardian Article

It may not be revolutionary, but he's the first high(ish) up person in Parliament to stand up and say what we've all been thinking for some time.

[RebelWithanAK]

well, duh. =P

[Fallen Angel]

Well, since the tradgedies happened I've often mulled over the possibility of the US government being quite aware of the Al Queda methods, for that attack, and even probably allowed for it to be sucessfull, if this would be a catalyst to get public opinion on their side so they could remove these bastards out of the publics lives.
I remember President Bush recieving the message live while he was chatting to a classroom of kids, and I was struck by how calmly he took it, as if it was expected news.
In saying this I don't agree with these methods at all, but if this will help to win the long war coming up against Islamic fundementalists then history will be the ultimate judge on the United States Government of this time not us.

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

Pooeypants
I was pointing out why less evidence of a plane would exist in the picture, hard to tell if debris is magnetic from a photograph...

[RebelWithanAK]

In all the studies into how such a travesty of foreign intellegence could occur, it looked more like covering their asses for being such idiots than covering their asses for being intentionally malicious. When memos got overlooked (note to FBI: evil plot, has something to do with planes and the WTC), when precedents got ignored (I wonder how Condi felt when the whole Algerian plot was thrown into her face), when things don't work out in our favor (Saudi terrorists, but let's bomb Afghanistan anyway). It's smoke and mirrors, but it's because our president is an inexperienced buffoon on the international stage than anything else.

Methinks it worked out as a welcome coincidence for the Good Old Party, but now that I map it out, evil minds do seem to be afoot...

[[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS]

Originally posted by Fallen Angel@Sep 6 2003, 11:41 PM Well, since the tradgedies happened I've often mulled over the possibility of the US government being quite aware of the Al Queda methods, for that attack, and even probably allowed for it to be sucessfull, if this would be a catalyst to get public opinion on their side so they could remove these bastards out of the publics lives. I remember President Bush recieving the message live while he was chatting to a classroom of kids, and I was struck by how calmly he took it, as if it was expected news. In saying this I don't agree with these methods at all, but if this will help to win the long war coming up against Islamic fundementalists then history will be the ultimate judge on the United States Government of this time not us.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0112/04/se.04.html
QUESTION: One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much you've done for this country, and another thing is that how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?

BUSH: Well...

(APPLAUSE)

Thank you, Jordan (ph).

Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."

And Jordan (ph), I wasn't sure what to think at first. You know, I grew up in a period of time where the idea of America being under attack never entered my mind -- just like your daddy and mother's mind probably. And I started thinking hard in that very brief period of time about what it meant to be under attack. I knew that when I got all the facts that we were under attack, there would be hell to pay for attacking America.




WELL ...There is a problem with the above statement. There was no live video
coverage of the first plane hitting the tower. There couldn't be. Video of
that first plane hitting the tower did not surface until AFTER the second
plane had hit.
Bush is lying through his teeth here.
Even though Bush is not a very good pilot (he was taken off of flight status
for failure to take a medical exam which included a drug test), it would be
silly to assume that a passenger jet hitting the WTC in clear weather was
pilot error. The only other known impact between an aircraft and a New York
skyscraper was when a military airplane crashed into the Empire State
Building in a heavy fog. Because of that incident, there are mandatory
altitude minimums over the island. If Bush really did see an airplane on TV
hitting the World Trade Towers, then he saw that the aircraft was under
control at the time.
And, it must be remembered that even after andy informed Bush of the second
impact, and by his own admission Bush knew we were being attacked, he
continued to read to the classroom full of children.
Just think about that for a while.

[Jim]

Well, since the tradgedies happened I've often mulled over the possibility of the US government being quite aware of the Al Queda methods, for that attack

They were aware of the methods. However, bureaucracies are very slow in communicating information. Also, just because you know criminals use crowbars to break into places, doesn't mean you can stop all burglaries.

and even probably allowed for it to be sucessfull, if this would be a catalyst to get public opinion on their side so they could remove these bastards out of the publics lives.

Probably? How can you judge the probability of this? Just because it benefitted them doesn't mean they caused it to happen.

I remember President Bush recieving the message live while he was chatting to a classroom of kids, and I was struck by how calmly he took it, as if it was expected news.

I took it calmly as well! But it doesn't mean I'm a conspirator. I'm just not emotional.

In saying this I don't agree with these methods at all, but if this will help to win the long war coming up against Islamic fundementalists then history will be the ultimate judge on the United States Government of this time not us.

By this you're saying that it's OK for "history" to judge these actions as appropriate if they're successful. It's contradictory to say that future generations can approve of those actions but we cannot. If the ends justify the means in your book, don't be ashamed to say it.

[Fallen Angel]

Originally posted by [ÄK LËGÖLÄS,Sep 7 2003, 08:14 PM] Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

I think Bush was hoping it was an accident, he just did'nt want to voice his hidden fear,

[Cobain]

Originally posted by Infowars@Aug 31 2003, 07:44 PM "In some ways she was far more acute than Winston, and far less susceptible to Party propaganda. Once when he happened in some connexion to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, ’just to keep people frightened’. This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him." George Orwell: 1984 burning of the Reichstag (parliament) building in Berlin, on the night of Feb. 27, 1933, a key event in the establishment of the Nazi dictatorship and widely believed to have been contrived by the newly formed Nazi government itself to turn public opinion against its opponents and to assume emergency powers. Adolf Hitler had secured the chancellorship after the elections… http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Da...fs_010501.html N E W Y O R K, May 1 — In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/D...nac_030310.html In open letters to Clinton and GOP congressional leaders the next year, the group called for "the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power" and a shift toward a more assertive U.S. policy in the Middle East, including the use of force if necessary to unseat Saddam. And in a report just before the 2000 election that would bring Bush to power, the group predicted that the shift would come about slowly, unless there were "some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor." That event came on Sept. 11, 2001 http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/2002-08...2/usw_plane.asp WASHINGTON (AP) — In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism — it was to be a simulated accident. Ah yes a bizarre coincedence I really believe that, HONEST OK why would the CIA do something so transparently obvious? Because maybe that was the only way to make NORAD stand down on the morning of 911 to allow the hijacked airliners to fly for a long time without being intercepted. A few years ago,golfer Payne Stewarts light aircraft was intercepted minutes after deviating from its flight plan. Alex Jones' great documentary 911 The Road To Tyranny Conclusively proves that the Oklahoma city bomb was yet another Reichstag fire type conspiracy.It also provides some evidence of the 911 conspiracy and shows how Oklahoma and 911 have been used as excuses to militarize the U.S. police and to allow US Soldiers to break the 'posse comitatus' law. Another Alex Jones documentary about 911: http://www.prisonplanet.com/Masters_Of_Ter...ror_128KBps.wmv [color=red] 911 investigation hits obstacles [/color] WASHINGTON -- Lawmakers leading the investigation of intelligence agencies' failures surrounding the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks are increasingly concerned that tactics by the CIA and the Justice Department are actively impeding their efforts, congressional sources said Friday. Members of the Senate and House intelligence committees are so frustrated with the tactics, sources said, that they intend to complain directly to CIA Director George J. Tenet and Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft. Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, declined to discuss the committee's concerns with the CIA and the FBI in detail but said: "There are problems we are going to have to address." Sept. 15 — U.S. military sources have given the FBI information that suggests five of the alleged hijackers of the planes that were used in Tuesday’s terror attacks received training at secure U.S. military installations in the 1990s What a coincidence. Hijack suspects alive and well Who on earth did 911 if we dont know their identities??? IF the Government didnt do 911 why are they 'smothering' INDEPENDENT 911 investigations with all their effort? Family advocates also wanted to know why the government -- and specifically the Bush administration -- has been so reluctant to find answers to any of the obvious questions about what went wrong that day, why so little has been fixed, and why virtually nobody has accepted any responsibility for the glaring failures. CIA 'trailed Al Qaeda before 911 attacks' Hijackers ex-landlord was ex-FBI agent Taleban warned US of 'huge attack' A 911 relative tells the 911 commission her suspicions! The financial links between Bush and Bin Laden US pilots banned from carrying guns 2 months before 911 Bush held up plan to hit Bin Laden Here is a lecture from ex-cop Mike Ruppert : Talking about the geo-strategic possibilities in a post 911 world and Zbignew Brzezinskis book that predicts 911 the 'war on terror' and the formation of a one-world-government. WHO is behind it all? The Illuminati and The Illuminati and of course: The Illuminati

This is the biggest fucking crock of shit I have ever heard in my twenty years. You should be ashamed of yourself. You piece of shit! I want to see Mr.Bush openly say he did it. I want a video , something other than a piece of document. If that is all you have, then take those documents, roll them up and shove it up your ass. But them to good use.

[Geoff332]

This is the biggest fucking crock of shit I have ever heard in my twenty years. You should be ashamed of yourself. You piece of shit! I want to see Mr.Bush openly say he did it. I want a video , something other than a piece of document. If that is all you have, then take those documents, roll them up and shove it up your ass. But them to good use.

it's good to see reasoned debate flourishing, isn't it.

[Cobain]

Originally posted by Geoff332@Sep 12 2003, 02:20 AM it's good to see reasoned debate flourishing, isn't it.

I am glad you liked it.

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

Oh come on you can't take infowars seriously, I mean the guy has visited evry website I have ever posted on, and he is still spouting the same old BS...Besides he never hangs around longer than half a dozen posts, and usually not that long.

[As'rek]

Firstly, it's Mormons. That is not the name of their religion, it is sort of a "nick name" they have acquired. The name of the religion is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints".

- Off topic but I just wanted to inform you about the real name =/

[PatrickHenry]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Cobain,)
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Infowars @ Aug 31 2003, 07:44 PM)
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
"In some ways she was far more acute than Winston, and far less susceptible to Party propaganda. Once when he happened in some connexion to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, ’just to keep people frightened’. This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him."
George Orwell: 1984<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>


burning of the Reichstag (parliament) building in Berlin, on the night of Feb. 27, 1933, a key event in the establishment of the Nazi dictatorship and widely believed to have been contrived by the newly formed Nazi government itself to turn public opinion against its opponents and to assume emergency powers. Adolf Hitler had secured the chancellorship after the elections…

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNew...efs_010501.html

N E W Y O R K, May 1 — In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.


Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/D...nac_030310.html

In open letters to Clinton and GOP congressional leaders the next year, the group called for "the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power" and a shift toward a more assertive U.S. policy in the Middle East, including the use of force if necessary to unseat Saddam.

And in a report just before the 2000 election that would bring Bush to power, the group predicted that the shift would come about slowly, unless there were "some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor."

That event came on Sept. 11, 2001



http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/2002-08...2/usw_plane.asp

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
WASHINGTON (AP) — In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism — it was to be a simulated accident.
<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Ah yes a bizarre coincedence I really believe that, HONEST


OK why would the CIA do something so transparently obvious?
Because maybe that was the only way to make NORAD stand down on the morning of 911 to allow the hijacked airliners to fly for a long time without being intercepted.

A few years ago,golfer Payne Stewarts light aircraft was intercepted minutes after deviating from its flight plan.


Alex Jones' great documentary 911 The Road To Tyranny
Conclusively proves that the Oklahoma city bomb was yet another Reichstag fire type conspiracy.It also provides some evidence of the 911 conspiracy and shows how Oklahoma and 911 have been used as excuses to militarize the U.S. police and to allow US Soldiers to break the 'posse comitatus' law.

Another Alex Jones documentary about 911:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/Masters_Of_Ter...ror_128KBps.wmv



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911 investigation hits obstacles
[/color]
WASHINGTON -- Lawmakers leading the investigation of intelligence agencies' failures surrounding the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks are increasingly concerned that tactics by the CIA and the Justice Department are actively impeding their efforts, congressional sources said Friday.

Members of the Senate and House intelligence committees are so frustrated with the tactics, sources said, that they intend to complain directly to CIA Director George J. Tenet and Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft.

Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, declined to discuss the committee's concerns with the CIA and the FBI in detail but said: "There are problems we are going to have to address."


Sept. 15 — U.S. military sources have given the FBI information that suggests five of the alleged hijackers of the planes that were used in Tuesday’s terror attacks received training at secure U.S. military installations in the 1990s
What a coincidence.

Hijack suspects alive and well

Who on earth did 911 if we dont know their identities???

IF the Government didnt do 911 why are they 'smothering' INDEPENDENT 911 investigations with all their effort?
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Family advocates also wanted to know why the government -- and specifically the Bush administration -- has been so reluctant to find answers to any of the obvious questions about what went wrong that day, why so little has been fixed, and why virtually nobody has accepted any responsibility for the glaring failures.

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CIA 'trailed Al Qaeda before 911 attacks'



Hijackers ex-landlord was ex-FBI agent

Taleban warned US of 'huge attack'


A 911 relative tells the 911 commission her suspicions!

The financial links between Bush and Bin Laden

US pilots banned from carrying guns 2 months before 911

Bush held up plan to hit Bin Laden




Here is a lecture from ex-cop Mike Ruppert :
Talking about the geo-strategic possibilities in a post 911 world and Zbignew Brzezinskis book that predicts 911 the 'war on terror' and the formation of a one-world-government.

WHO is behind it all?

The Illuminati

and

The Illuminati

and of course:

The Illuminati


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This is the biggest fucking crock of shit I have ever heard in my twenty years. You should be ashamed of yourself. You piece of shit! I want to see Mr.Bush openly say he did it. I want a video , something other than a piece of document. If that is all you have, then take those documents, roll them up and shove it up your ass. But them to good use.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

My what language, cobain. You might be censored...

I may think Infowars the one who posted this, doesn't have too much brainpower, but that language seriously crossed the line.

[Suburbanite]

InfoWars? Is this the real Alex Jones?