Conspiracy Theory and Fact

[gr8fuldaniel]

I think its a very valid topic for willing participants. Too many suspicious, shadowy secrets out there . We cant just ignore, em. I believe the darkness has no choice but to flee, when the light approaches. I just wish there were a subsection in Volcanvo so the seperate theories could each have its own topics.

I am not sure of the best way to proceed, I guess I will open it up with one of the oldest beginnings of Power Grabs. The Oligarchy. The Elite Ruling Class, outlined here:

Archetecture of Modern Political Power
From the introduction:

President Woodrow Wilson (in The New Freedom, 1913) wrote of the western establishment: ``Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.''

ATTN: This should not be sent to Butterface, by anyone except Sean. I consulted him first. Not on all the particulars, but on starting a conspiracy topic.
Basically, Nobody can complain because if they dont want to dispute "conspiracy" they could choose another topic, Right? Its not like you are compromised in any way.
That said, Lets start with the Introduction to AMPP

[Liberty Landing]

Well, I don't know exactly what you're implying, but I don't believe in the "new world order" type of thing.

I have said on these forums before that the only "ruling clique" is a very open social contract between the masses and the elite -- that is, open enough if you're perceptive to understand its vagaries. Its terms are very simple: the masses allow the elite to rule, both business and politics, so long as the elite ensures the flow of goodies, both in government welfare (which goes to both people and businesses, as we have seen people demanding bailouts of the overpopulated airline industry) and consumer goods.

I have also said before that the terms of the contract essentially render democracy irrelevant. Think about it: if someone offered you a giant house or a nice car in exchange for not voting this November, would you really turn them down? This is a frightening concept to consider, of course, but I see no reason to believe anyone will take this to its natural conclusion.

Well, there, that's what I believe.

[Compugasm]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, Too many suspicious, shadowy secrets out there . We cant just ignore, em. I believe the darkness has no choice but to flee, when the light approaches.

You might like the cartoon series called "The Investigators."

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Liberty Landing,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Liberty Landing,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well, I don't know exactly what you're implying, but I don't believe in the "new world order" type of thing.[/b]

Yes, I believe there is an Oligarchy, in place that controls the major party politicians. I believe Republicans and Democrats are two factions of the same party and who we vote for doesnt really matter because the President is "tapped" by "The Establishment" Our Military is an extension of a gluttonous beast interested only in consolidation of power and individual human beings are mere pests if they are not increasing the wealth of the few.

Originally posted by LL@ I have said on these forums before that the only "ruling clique" is a very open social contract between the masses and the elite -- that is, open enough if you're perceptive to understand its vagaries. Its terms are very simple: the masses allow the elite to rule, both business and politics, so long as the elite ensures the flow of goodies, both in government welfare (which goes to both people and businesses, as we have seen people demanding bailouts of the overpopulated airline industry) and consumer goods.

Yes there is an open contract between classes, for now. Until the next paradigm shift. When America decides elections are no longer necessary, and the world is brought into submission, there is an agenda prepared which will overthrow the government as we know it. Look at all the power available through Executive orders and FEMA. Too many "coincidences" expose the the shadow government. The proof is available for the taking. Too many people dont want to believe. That is everyones prerogative. I have found little truths here and there that add up to a whole scenario of conspiracy and complicity in high places. I dont want to believe some of these horrors are committed by our trusted leaders. But I cannot deny what points to incontrovertable truth.

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I have also said before that the terms of the contract essentially render democracy irrelevant. Think about it: if someone offered you a giant house or a nice car in exchange for not voting this November, would you really turn them down? This is a frightening concept to consider, of course, but I see no reason to believe anyone will take this to its natural conclusion.
[/quote]For a giant house? Very possible. Can I have a Giant house in a different country? I dont want to live in a fascist state, which if you are implying one candidate can buy 51 percent of the vote, then they can afford to police its citizens with the military? And imprison dissenters? I have never owned a home, so that would be a strong temptation but, what kind of monster is that candidate that couldnt win me over with a healthy political agenda just as well. I am turned off from dishonesty and greed. Any candidate who shows these tendencies should have a lot of giant houses to trade for votes.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Liberty Landing, I have said on these forums before that the only "ruling clique" is a very open social contract between the masses and the elite -- that is, open enough if you're perceptive to understand its vagaries.

I dont see everything as la-de-da in the economy. The poor are oppressed and the elite feels that is their role in life. The gap between the rich and the poor is obscene. The value of the dollar is manipulated by the powers that be. There is a horror committed in the name of profit, outsourcing of jobs we need here in America , but can be done by slaves elsewhere. The open contract you spoke of, was not open to a living wage.

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by Liberty Landing, I don't believe in the "new world order"

OK. Why would the term come up in pronouncements from the elite?

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the NY Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promisesof discretion for almost 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But we are now prepared to march towards a world government. The super-national sovereignty of an Intellectual Elite and World Bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries. We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."

David Rockefeller To The Council On Foreign Relations.


http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/

The sheer magnitude and complex web of deceit surrounding the individuals and organizations involved in this conspiracy is mind boggling, even for the most astute among us. Most people react with disbelief and skepticism towards the topic, unaware that they have been conditioned (brainwashed) to react with skepticism by institutional and media influences that were created by the Mother of All mind control organizations: The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations in London. Author and de-programmer Fritz Springmeier (The Top 13 Illuminati Bloodlines ) says that most people have built in "slides" that short circuit the mind's critical examination process when it comes to certain sensitive topics. "Slides", Springmeier reports, is a CIA term for a conditioned type of response which dead ends a person's thinking and terminates debate or examination of the topic at hand. For example, the mention of the word "conspiracy" often solicits a slide response with many people.

Here is a good overview of New World Order topics: http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/

or maybe you would like this one better: http://www.theanalysis.net/

The tough part of conspiracy research is filtering out stuff that is just wacked. Some people can't handle it and wash their hands of the whole thing. Their problem is that heh, heh, reality intrudes...

[PatrickHenry]

I like this one, too. Even if it has a few wacko things. http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/world/report.htm

[Osborn F Enready]

AMPP is the BEST, ultimate collection of reference materials I have ever found on the subject of conspiracy. Why? Not because it caters to my personal ideas and beliefs, but because it covers many angles, from different points of view, many references, tons of research material, and most importantly TONS and TONS of proof.

Anti-Conspiracy theorists (aka, coincidence theorists) will not look at that site long though, as the amount of indisputable proof usually sends them running to a media news source for more calming lies to be told to them.

gr8ful, great job in trying to bring this to more peoples attention, I have been a long time reader of AMPP. That site is also updated on an irregular basis.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Thanx, Os..... Patrick showed me AMPP when I first got to Volconvo. I love it. I have yet to get through it all. Tons of info. Looks reliable and accurate like you said.

[PatrickHenry]

I have respect for Pouzzner's(AMPP) analysis and research. Only problem I have with him is his inabilty to have any insight into the nature of spiritual ie., invisible, reality. His views on political power are irrefutable, closely reasoned and backed with voluminous evidence. I like this from the first page of the introduction.

The preeminent establishment commandment is that one not acknowledge or articulate the broad nature of the establishment, or its methods and goals. Members of the establishment act in a manner informed by covert knowledge of methods and goals, but this knowledge is evident only to those who already possess it. <snip> The establishment facilitates the ascent of those in whom they recognize covert knowledge and a congenial modus operandi, endowing a rising balance of social capital for such people unless they betray the establishment. This rewards and fosters loyalty. The higher one's position in the hierarchy, the broader is the range of methods and goals one is permitted and expected to recognize consciously (though without explicitly communicating them). <snip> A member of the establishment who defies its commandments in an obvious and visible fashion, or defies any key commandment, or who consistently defies commandments, is ejected whenever it is feasible to do so without causing net injury to the interests of the establishment (most vitally, to its covertness). Ejection is by social ostracism, denial of insider privileges and immunities, sometimes by various forms of deliberate and punitive economic, legal, and political harassment, oppression, and deprivation, and on rare occasions, by assassination. The ejection of people who recognize the broadest goals of the establishment, and of people who overtly communicate its methods and goals - in short, of sentient individuals - tends to expel ideas that lead to such awareness and communication. In time, the establishment becomes a collection of people and ideas that scrupulously precludes the possibility of conscious awareness of establishment methods, goals, and consequences. The cult becomes ever more cryptic, ever more effective at defying investigation and exposure, ever more thorough in evading accountability. In short, the secrecy of broad establishment programs is secured by depriving the whole of the establishment of conscious awareness thereof. This is key to the success the establishment enjoys, however modest and temporary it is. It has an ironic corollary, however. In time, members of the establishment lose the ability to discern what is and is not permissible and advisable to openly articulate. They make statements that reveal grave establishment secrets. These statements can be collected and compiled (as in this compilation) to document the nature of the establishment in the words of its own members.

So the situation is NOT hopeless. Their dirty laundry must be hung out from time to time and then the neighborhood notices what monsters are living among us.

[gr8fuldaniel]

There is plenty of BOGUS in the world of religion/spirituality, I dont see this as one of them:
From the New Age chapter

Little by little, a new consciousness is awakening humanity to its inner needs. The old, competitive spirit dies hard, but nevertheless a new spirit of co-operation is likewise to be seen. This augurs well for the future, for it is by co-operation alone that mankind will survive; by co-operation alone that the new civilization will be built; by co-operation only that men can know and demonstrate the inner truth of their divinity. THIS IS BOGUS

[gr8fuldaniel]

19 years before the stock market crashed our economy was overthrown. In 1910 the Federal Reserve was set in place in secret, without the approval of Congress (making it un-Constitutional) A private Group decided how our currency would be banked. As it is written in the US Const.

Congress alone has the power to print money and assign value to it.

The concentration of wealth occurred on Jekyll Island,
Secrets of the Federal Reserve.
With the Bulk of US wealth represented in 2 groups The Morgan Group and the Rockefeller Group, they conspired to control it all. Our money is controlled by a shadow government.

Listen (10 meg RealPlayer) to G.Edward Griffen Author of "The Creature from Jekyll Island"

The stock market crash and the Great Depression is largely blamed on the Fed Reserve, not actually being a "Reserve" at all.

CHAIRMAN GREENSPAN: "The Federal Reserve Bank's basement is a foreign country. When they move it out of the basement into the United States, it's an import. Then, when they ship it out again, it's an export."

JFK (not Kerry, that other guy) Tried to do something about it

JFK vs. The Federal Reserve by Anthony Wayne Lawgiver.org On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. The Christian Law Fellowship has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid. When President John Fitzgerald Kennedy - the author of Profiles in Courage - signed this Order, it returned to the federal government, specifically the Treasury Department, the Constitutional power to create and issue currency - money - without going through the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank. President Kennedy's Executive Order 11110 [the full text is displayed further below] gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority: "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This means that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation based on the silver bullion physically held there. As a result, more than $4 billion in United States Notes were brought into circulation in $2 and $5 denominations. $10 and $20 United States Notes were never circulated but were being printed by the Treasury Department when Kennedy was assassinated. It appears obvious that President Kennedy knew the Federal Reserve Notes being used as the purported legal currency were contrary to the Constitution of the united States of America. United States Notes" were issued as an interest-free and debt-free currency backed by silver reserves in the U.S. Treasury. We compared a "Federal Reserve Note" issued from the private central bank of the United States (the Federal Reserve Bank a/k/a Federal Reserve System), with a "United States Note" from the U.S. Treasury issued by President Kennedy's Executive Order. They almost look alike, except one says "Federal Reserve Note" on the top while the other says "United States Note". Also, the Federal Reserve Note has a green seal and serial number while the United States Note has a red seal and serial number. President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 and the United States Notes he had issued were immediately taken out of circulation. Federal Reserve Notes continued to serve as the legal currency of the nation. According to the United States Secret Service, 99% of all U.S. paper "currency" circulating in 1999 are Federal Reserve Notes. More........

[gr8fuldaniel]

Prison Planet

As South Tower is Hit, Bombs Go off in North Tower From a Reader | September 9 2004 Watch carefully and play back again and again. As Flight 175 hits the South Tower (the diversionary blast), bombs go off in the North Tower. Keep your eye on near the top right of the tower and then bottom right in the frame. Any alternative explanations are welcome.

This video loads fast even with dial-up. Must see!

[gr8fuldaniel]

Why shouldnt Al Capone investigate himself? Look at the crooks Bush appointed to the 911 White wash Commission
This is a Mike Ruppert speech at the Commonwealth Club. 911 Commission Exposed. Travesty of justice laid out in no uncertain terms by retired LAPD cop and Founder and editor of "From the Wilderness" PDF document
(Sorry about all caps, thats the way they offered it)

SEPTEMBER 11TH BOTH HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AND AROUND THE WORLD I AM NOT ALONE IN BELIEVING THAT THE ATTACKS OF SEPTMEBER 11TH WERE FACILITATED, ORCHESTRATED AND EXECUTED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. HOWEVER, THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF MISUNDERSTANDING AND CONCLUSION JUMPING ABOUT THESE ASSESSMENTS THAT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE EVIDENCE. I WAS TRAINED AS A POLICE OFFICER AND DETECTIVE, AND FOR MANY YEARS NOW I HAVE BEEN AN EFFECTIVE INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST BECAUSE I HAVE ADHERED TO STRICT EVIDENTIARY AND INVESTIGATIVE STANDARDS. THE 9/11 ATTACKS WERE THE RESULT OF DELIBERATE PLANNING AND ORCHESTRATED EFFORTS BY IDENTIFIABLE LEADERS WITHIN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, AND THE ENERGY AND FINANCIAL SECTORS, TO SEE A PEARL HARBOR-LIKE ATTACK WHICH WOULD PROVIDE THE AMERICAN EMPIRE WITH A PRETEXT FOR WAR, INVASION AND THE SEQUENTIAL CONFISCATION OF OIL AND NATURAL GAS RESERVES, OR THE KEY TRANSPORTATION ROUTES THROUGH WHICH THEY PASS. 9-11 WAS A PREMEDITATED MURDER AND IN MY BOOK, AND HERE TONIGHT, I WILL NAME SOME OF THE SUSPECTS WHO COMMITTED THE CRIME. IN MY BOOK I WILL SHOW YOU OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE OF THEIR GUILT WHICH I WOULD BE PROUD AND CONFIDENT TO PLACE EITHER BEFORE A DISTRICT ATTORNEY OR A JURY. HISTORICALLY, THE ASSERTION THAT THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT WOULD ORCHESTRATE AN ATTACK UPON AMERICAN INTERESTS HAS AMPLE PRECEDENT. FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI DESCRIBED THE NEED FOR SUCH AN EVENT IN SEVERAL PLACES IN HIS 1997 BOOK “THE GRAND CHESSBOARD.” IT WAS I WHO FIRST BROUGHT THIS BOOK TO WORLD ATTENTION IN LATE 2001. THE PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY MADE REFERENCE TO THE NEED FOR SUCH AN ATTACK IN ITS 2000 REPORT “REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES.” DECLASSIFIED TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS DISCLOSED BY AUTHOR JAMES BAMFORD IN HIS BOOK, “BODY OF SECRETS” TELL US THAT IN 1962 THE JOINT CHIEFS HAD APPROVED A PLAN CALLED “OPERATION NORTHWOODS” WHICH WAS A COVERT OPERATION THAT WOULD SHOOT DOWN AMERICAN page 9AIRCRAFT AND STAGE ATTACKS ON AMERICAN MILITARY FACILITIES WITH THE INTENT OF BLAMING THOSE ATTACKS ON FIDEL CASTRO AND PROMPTING THE SUBSEQUENT US INVASION AND OCCUPATION OF CUBA. THE DECLASSIFIED NORTHWOODS DOCUMENTS CAN BE SEEN AND DOWNLOADED FROM THE FTW WEB SITE. BUT ONCE VIEWED, THEY CANNOT BE IGNORED. THEREFORE IT CANNOT BE SAID THAT SUCH A THING HAS NEVER BEEN CONCEIVED OF OR CARRIED OUT BY AMERICAN POLITICAL LEADERS. FROM THE SINKING OF THE BATTLESHIP MAINE, TO THE GULF OF TONKIN, AND INDEED, EVEN TO PEARL HARBOR ITSELF, HISTORY TODAY PROVIDES US WITH ABUNDANT DOCUMENTATION OF US GOVERNMENT COMPLICITY IN VARYING DEGREES IN SIMILAR ATTACKS. THE BOOK “DAY OF DECEIT” AND OTHER RECORDS FROM THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES HAVE SHOWN US THAT THE ROOSEVELT ADMINISTRATION HAD BROKEN THE JAPANESE CODES WELL BEFORE DECEMBER 7TH, AND THAT A CONSCIOUS DECISION WAS MADE TO ALLOW THE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR TO TAKE PLACE. THIS WAS INTENDED TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY IMPETUS FOR US ENTRY INTO THE SECOND WORLD WAR AT A TIME WHEN GREAT BRITAIN WAS BUCKLING UNDER THE MILITARY BLITZKRIEG, AERIAL BOMBING AND U-BOAT WARFARE OF THE THIRD REICH. <Snip>``````````````````````````````````````````````` WHAT HAPPENED ON 9/11? WHILE THESE ATTACKS WERE ARGUABLY ONE OF THE MOST SERIOUS HOMICIDES EVER COMMITTED, THE INVESTIGATION AND "PROSECUTION" OF THAT CASE BY MEANS OTHER THAN DICK CHENEY'S "WAR THAT WILL NOT END IN OUR LIFETIMES" HAS NEVER EVEN APPROACHED THE LEGAL AND LOGICAL STANDARDS GOVERNING ALL 29 SUCH INVESTIGATIONS. NO REAL CASE HAS EVER BEEN MADE THAT WOULD PASS FIRST MUSTER OF EVEN A JUNIOR ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY. WITHOUT SUCH A COURT PROCESS, WE ARE FORCED TO EMPLOY ANALOGIES AND METAPHORS. BUT THERE REMAINS TO US THE MOST SUCCESSFUL, FUNDAMENTAL STRATEGY FOR THE PROSECUTION OF CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR: DEMONSTRATING THAT A SUSPECT (OR SUSPECTS) DID, OR DID NOT, POSSESS THE MEANS, MOTIVE, AND OPPORTUNITY TO COMMIT THE CRIME. TO DATE, THE CASE THAT 9/11 WAS PERPETRATED SOLELY BY OSAMA BIN LADEN AND AL QAEDA HAS NEVER BEEN PROVED, EVEN TO THE MOST RUDIMENTARY STANDARDS. IN FACT, SOME 35 MONTHS AFTER THE ATTACKS THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SINGLE SUCCESSFUL 9/11 PROSECUTION ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. THE ONLY CONVICTION THAT HAD BEEN SECURED, A GERMAN PROSECUTION AGAINST MOUNIR EL MOTASSADEQ, CHARGED WITH AIDING THE SO CALLED HAMBURG CELL OF MOHAMMED ATTA, WAS OVERTURNED IN 2004 BECAUSE THE US GOVERNMENT REFUSED TO PRODUCE KEY WITNESSES SUCH AS KHALID SHAIKH MUHAMMAD OR RAMZI BIN AL-SHIBH AND OTHER EVIDENCE RELEVANT TO THE CHARGES. EVERY DEFENDANT IN A WESTERN CRIMINAL CASE HAS THE RIGHT TO EXAMINE THE EVIDENCE USED AGAINST HIM AND TO CROSS-EXAMINE WITNESSES. TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AS WELL AS TO THE 9/11 RESEARCH COMMUNITY, THE MYSTERIOUS AND INEXPLICABLE FAILURE OF THE NATION’S AIR DEFENSES THAT DAY REMAINS THE MOST GLARING AND GAPING HOLE IN THE KEAN COMMISSION’S ACCOUNT AND IN THE GOVERNMENT’S VERSION OF EVENTS. SCRAMBLING FIGHTER AIRCRAFT WAS A ROUTINE OCCURRENCE FOR YEARS BEFORE 9/11. 30 THE ASSOCIATED PRESS HAS TOLD US THAT FIGHTER AIRCRAFT WERE SCRAMBLED AND FLYING BESIDE ERRANT COMMERCIAL AND PRIVATE AIR TRAFFIC WITHIN MINUTES OF THE SLIGHTEST DEVIATION SOME 67 TIMES IN THE CALENDAR YEAR PRECEDING JUNE 1 2001. THIS IS ONE OF MANY AREAS WHERE THE KEAN COMMISSION NOT ONLY FAILED TO LOOK BUT ACTUALLY ALTERED EVIDENCE IN THE PREPARATION OF ITS FINAL REPORT.

Ruppert's Bio
About Ruppert

Dont we deserve to know what really happened 3 years ago today?

[Eclipse]

This is a long video. About 2 hours. Or, you could take a read into his book. Anyhow, thought it was interesting. I haven't gone through all of the information presented but it is captivating. Ties with the Bush family, several corporations, secret organizations. Then again I am an admitted conspiracy theorist. He lost me on some of his notions of aliens controlling the governments themselves.

Oh, it contains a lot of the stuff presented in this thread already and he has other books with the information.

Rule by Secrecy - Google Video

And this is a half hour documentary on the Sumerians and the like.

Sumerian Origin Of Humans - Google Video

A lot of video, I know

Was hoping to see some different perspectives and discussion, perhaps debunking, that any of you may have.