US examines 'Israeli spy' claim

[jose]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/...ble639143.shtml
CBS News has learned that the FBI has a full-fledged espionage investigation under way and is about to -- in FBI terminology -- "roll up" someone agents believe has been spying not for an enemy, but for Israel from within the office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon.

60 Minutes Correspondent Lesley Stahl reports the FBI believes it has "solid" evidence that the suspected mole supplied Israel with classified materials that include secret White House policy deliberations on Iran.

At the heart of the investigation are two people who work at The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington.

An Israeli spokesman said, "We categorically deny these allegations. They are completely false and outrageous."

SEE ALSO
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/91260.stm

Israel has officially acknowledged for the first time that an American Jew, Jonathan Pollard, who was arrested in the United States 13 years ago, was one of its spies.

Pollard, a former intelligence analyst for the United States navy, is serving a life sentence in North Carolina for passing classified military documents to Israel.

Until now, the Israeli authorities had always denied that Pollard was working under their direction.
could it be harold rhode or larry franklin?

[bishop]

this doesn't surprise me...

i read in today's boston globe that the guy they're investigating works with another guy who was a participant in the iran-contra scandal... and somewhere along the line, these guys were also chalabi supporters.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles..._is_identified/

Franklin also was a key link between the Defense Department and Iraqi National Congress Leader Ahmed Chalabi, according to the officials and Chalabi aides.

[jose]

Decision Time
As Americans we need to decide whether we continue to cower in fear of being labeled anti-Semitic for standing up for our country, or pay the true price of freedom by fielding these accusations and exposing them for the BS they are.  Which is more important: The Constitution, Freedom and the United States, or apartheid, terrorism and Israel?

it's Time
to Put America First

Another potential Israeli spy, Larry Franklin, a desk officer in the Defense Department's Near East and South Asia Bureau, working under Douglas Feith as first reported by CBS, is suspected as the Pentagon mole, though some news sources state this is the first time since Pollard during the 1980's, one has been caught. 

spies among us
That number is off by at least eight-hundred.  September 11, 2001 five Mossad assets were arrested celebrating the attack in New Jersey as the Twin Towers disintegrated.  In January 2002, FOX News exposed a nationwide Israeli spy ring utilizing art students and mall kiosk workers in the hundreds nationwide, in addition to the use of moving companies as Mossad fronts in the United States. 

Between September 11, 2001 and January 2002 we deported nearly 800 Israeli nationals suspected of spying on the US.  This moving company manifestation continues both in organized crime and earlier this year more Israeli agents under the cover of moving company workers were caught in Tennessee attempting to smuggle out classified submarine fuel. We have the wire and phone tapping scandals by Israeli companies likewise exposed in this time frame. Then we have Golan Cipel, a confirmed Israeli Agent.

It's long been suspected that members of JINSA, (Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs) the authors of our current war in Iraq, the PNAC (Project for the new American Century) and organizations including AIPAC (American Israeli Public Affairs Committee) which lobbies congress and is considered the most powerful lobby in America and the ADL (Anti-Defamation League), which acts as the Intelligence arm in the United States (The ADL has been caught multiple times, tried and convicted for illegal spying and harassment of American citizens) under the guise of fighting racism while it promotes, funds and protects this same racism in Israel. All of these agencies and several others have been involved in securing American support, funds and munitions on behalf of Israeli interests, to the detriment of American rights, American tax payments and International objectives. 

To speak of such automatically brands the reporter or politician anti-Semitic, which is ironic because the ADL like the cat with the canary, writes the rules about what is anti-Semitic and what isn't.  There is nothing anti-Semitic about protesting or pointing to our security breaches and undue influence on US policy, politicians, media, budgets and the Constitution

(Several pro-Israel but unconstitutional resolutions have been winding through congress stripping Americans of our 1st, 4th, 5th and 10th Amendment rights while protecting Israel from scrutiny including HR4230, HR3077 and S-625.  These always appear benign and helpful on the surface.  They are not.). 

Rather it is anti-American not to object. It is our country after all. To date these organizations hide behind the Jewish faith, curbing any discussion in the mainstream press through accusations of anti-Semitism. 

The Franklin spy scandal in Washington DC must be enormous for CBS to risk condemnation by AIPAC and the Christian Zionists.  Otherwise it would be covered up like the aforementioned incidents of the past three years.  AIPAC will swing into action and attempt to minimize this, denying of course everything.  Israeli loyalists in the media will attempt to spin this as not damaging because Israel is our "friend"; don't be surprised by this.  Ariel Sharon has bragged on at least one public occasion that Israel controls the US Media. 

"While AIPAC claims it never heard of Larry Franklin, he is known to the Israeli intelligence community. He has appeared more than once at meetings with Israeli intelligence, especially with military intelligence, mostly in a group setting."--Ha'aretz Daily, Israel (08/29/2004)

Americans need to realize, only Israel continually gets caught spying on us, (and Australia, New Zealand and other countries it denies spying on even after their agents are convicted and  thrown in jail) selling our military secrets to communist countries and compromising our security.  Britain doesn't do this. France doesn't do this.  Canada doesn't do this, nor does Mexico and there would be hell to pay if they did.  But as our "special" friend, Israel gets away with murder, espionage and every other sin at the expense of US security, credibility, taxes, morality and international standing.

The major problems facing American democracy, our constitution and freedom, all trace back to the same little country, the one we keep catching spying and selling our security, the same country both Bush and Kerry proudly and publicly swear their solidarity to our "friend" Israel. 

THE AGENDA
This isn't about religion, nor is it about "fighting terrorism"; the issues remain the same if Israel is Catholic, Muslim or Buddhist. Religion continues to be used as a weapon to obscure and prevent discussion. As far as terrorism, it wouldn't exist in the Middle East if Israel ceased exterminating its neighbors, or if it adhered to the agreement establishing the State of Israel in 1948. Rather than live in peace and equality, Israel instituted a campaign of ethnic cleansing and genocide.

(Israel possesses the 4th largest military in the world with over 600 WMD's.  Israel is not a helpless nor an oppressed nation.  It defeated several nations in just six days and it has always, from day one outnumber the totality of all Arab country militaries by at least 3:1)

Terrorism exist because Israel's  American enabler continually supplies it with UN injunctions, money and the weapons of oppression. Israel's problems find origin in its policies: apartheid, genocide, racism, elitism and ethnic cleansing,  nothing more. It is that simple. 


Wacky Priorities
America please tell me,  how many spies are required for this nation to wake up?  And please tell me why we rally behind presidential candidates placing the welfare and importance of a foreign theocracy before the Constitution and the welfare of the United States?  Does it not seem odd for the President of the United States and three quarters of congress to proudly swear their solidarity to a foreign country?  Think about that.  Think about what that really means.
http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Pol...ipel1.htm#First

[bishop]

funny that clinton was bashed (and rightly so) for all the instances of chinese espionage... for some reason, i doubt bush will recieve the same over this. as it is, he hasn't been politically damaged over his excessive reliance on foreign intelligence that comprised his bogus claims of wmd in iraq.

[shrike]

1.Allies spy on each other all the time. What else is new?
2.No one cared about French spy but everyone crying out loud when it's something about Israel i wonder why
http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/franc...spy.washington/
3.I'm sure Americans spy on Israel, and other countries (including Saudis and other Islamic regimes) spy on America.
4.Its not verified yet so let see if it not another media hoax.
btw Doesnt it seems strange it was published two days before Republican convention?

[bishop]

as usual, israel's the scapegoat.. never does anything wrong, ever.

spies are not okay, shrike. especially if they influence our policies. do you think israeli influence had anything to do with us going to iraq? maybe it did.

[waterfalllife]

The Fox News Report of which you speak, jose, was entitled "Suspected Israeli Spies Held by US" by Carl Cameron, reported to Brit Hume in December of 2001. However, FOX has taken down all transcripts and evidence of the report. For what? Fear of sounding Anti-Semitic?

A quick search of google using the key words "9/11" "moussad" "fox news" brings up a slew of websites. After carefully wading through them (you have to take these with a grain of salt, some are anti-semitic sites, others are those of people asking why the story disappeared) Then I uncovered this little gem:

In December of 2001, Fox News publicized a little known truth about the Israeli intelligence network. Fox News correspondent Carl Cameron reported to Brit Hume that approximately 60 Israeli intelligence officers were arrested and detained for questioning about the 9-11 attacks on the World Trade Center. According to sources, since the broadcast of the program, Fox News pulled the transcripts from theirs and related websites under pressure. A quick search of the Fox News website at foxnews. com, shows no reference to the story except one article from March 08, 2002, which begins: "News that a group of Israelis detained by the United States may have had prior knowledge of the Sept. 11 attacks and not shared it with the U.S., 'Suspected Israeli Spies Held by U.S.,' provoked a rapid but divided response from readers. Readers expressed many views on the different sides of the issue. While some said Israel should not be spying on the U.S. because of they [sic] are an ally, others feel that Israel's intentions were compatible with U.S. interests - to seek out Arab terrorists." What follows that quote on the website are several letters defending the Jews, save a few, one of which reads: "I think the Israel Moussad knew about 9-11, they have the best spy organization in the world. They had knowledge and failed to warn those who have been their only friends. I think you are on the right track by investigating this." Other websites publishing transcripts from the broadcast report that Carl Cameron further stated that prior to the arrest, detention, and/or deportation of some 60 Israelis who allegedly had prior knowledge information regarding 9-11, another group of 140 Israelis were arrested "in what the government documents describe as 'an organized intelligence gathering operation,' designed to 'penetrate government facilities.'" Most of the detainees had served in the military in Israel and had intelligence expertise. Many had worked for a firm based in Israel called Amdocs. Amdocs "generates billing data for virtually every call in America, and they do credit checks" according to Cameron, and were also investigated in connection with a drug ring in 1997 which centered around Israeli organized crime members suspected in dealing in cocaine and ecstasy trafficking, as well as credit card and computer fraud. While Amdocs denied any involvement, investigators believed that the company was leaking information which allowed the Israeli criminals to evade arrest. How? The Israeli suspects had access to the police's beepers, cell phones, and home phones and were surveilling them. Additionally, the Israeli "organized" criminals had access to communications "between organized crime intelligence division detectives, the FBI and the secret service." These connections and surveillance activities allowed the criminals to evade arrest. Furthermore, they revealed a significant security breech that put not only local law enforcement agencies at risk, but even top government officials in the FBI, CIA, and other offices.

Secret War

So what is Amdocs? Amdocs is a Tel Aviv based "telephone security" firm. They make and build the wire taps for the FBI, the polics etc. They also hold a record of every call, every single one, you ever make. Is any of this info given to the US? Nope. With money given to them by the Israeli government they hold onto these records and freely hand them out to Moussad. And yet we let this continue.

Police are told never to inspect them, nor the FBI nor the CIA. Something is going on that is really infringing upon our safety and security as Americans in our own country. And its not Bush this time.

Im not one to truly believe crackpot theories like this, but it seems a bit fishy to me after really researching all of this. Im not saying what is going on, I just know something is, and that we, as Americans, are letting it continue by aiding in the theory that anti-israeli government = anti-semitic.

[harumscarum]

I was watching CNN when this broke and they talked about it for 10 mins. I flipped over to fox because usually with breaking news all channels are on que. Fox brought this story up about 20 mins after CNN and only spent a couple of minutes on it. I found it odd that it got little attention.

I do not think the issue is with just the spying. The problem is that the spy was relaying confidential materials back to Israel and they were using the information to influence our governments decisions (Iran).

I doubt we will see the results of this in the mainstream media.

[PatrickHenry]

This guy says that the Iraeli spy is a tip of the iceberg.

I think Iraeli spying is more like the 800 lb. gorilla in the room that nobody talks about.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_summary.htm

[jose]

A Traitor from Within
    "A nation can survive its' fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor--He speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation--he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city--he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared."
                                Cicero, 42 B.C., Roman Statesman, orator, and author.

Is america at war?
what happens to traitors in time of war?

[Comrade]

The Jews! The Jews! Oh, no! The Jews!

God, you people are so easily led around by the nose.

[harumscarum]

My concern is with Israel leading us by the nose into conflicts.

[bishop]

ditto that.. i have NOTHING against jews.. shit, i go to a jewish university for christ's sake.

gotta love how being wary of or anti israel translates into being anti-semite.. you'd think that that weak minded label would've worn away by now, but i guess they haven't figured out a better argument so they kept that one.

[Comrade]

I was pondering, how can you hate Israel and not hate Jews, but then I realize you people are opposed to democracy in the Middle East, so it doesn't really matter whether or not the new democracy is populated by Jews or not, you are entirely right.

[jose]

Originally posted by Comrade, The Jews! The Jews! Oh, no! The Jews! God, you people are so easily led around by the nose.

you brought up the topic of jews
we are here talking about israel and its attempts to influence american foriegn action
there are many jewish people who oppose the manipulation of america by israel.
comrade are you an american firster?or does your calling belong to israel?

[bishop]

I was pondering, how can you hate Israel and not hate Jews, but then I realize you people are opposed to democracy in the Middle East, so it doesn't really matter whether or not the new democracy is populated by Jews or not, you are entirely right.

yeah, i don't like the policies not the people..

is this so difficult for you to understand? (eg. do you wish to continue your slanderous argument?)

there are many jewish people who oppose the manipulation of america by israel. comrade are you an american firster?or does your calling belong to israel?

good question.. sounds like he wants it both ways.

[Comrade]

If you don't think that there is a chunk of Michael Moore Democrats who don't have a pathological fear of the Jews, you've never been to democraticungerground.

[Comrade]

Originally posted by jose, there are many jewish people who oppose the manipulation of america by israel. This is what I was talking about. The Jews are extorting the West! comrade are you an american firster?or does your calling belong to israel? What? I cannot support Israel without opposing America? Does supporting Israel make me one of your manipulators, or a Zionist tool?

[bishop]

i could give a damn about what the "michael moore democrats" think...

why are you still trying to lump all israel critics together as if they're anti-semitic?

did you purposely ignore this question? :

yeah, i don't like the policies not the people.. is this so difficult for you to understand?