Modern Timeline of Palestine

[Killroy]

Quote by: dixon Funny to watch you so diligently defend the calim you did not make.

Again with the claim .
You do understand don't you , that I do not have to defend a claim that I did not make .
It is up to the person or persons who made the claim to defend it , or not .
The choice is theirs


How is your research getting on ?
If you tell me what your problem is , I may be able to help you .

[Plus Ultra]

Most Jews in Israel are transplants, very few can claim ancestors from this land going back successive generations. Yes, 5 thousand years ago there were plenty of Jews in the region and these would be ancestors of the modern Israeli, but the Jews were driven from what is now Israel many times in successive diasporas -very few managed to stick it out and remain through 13 centuries of Islamic rule. But now we are presented with this historical claim to ancestral lands by a transplanted population. What do we do about the people who lived on these lands while the Jews were away? Can the claim to ancestral lands be maintained by people who leave?

[Killroy]

Quote by: Diogenes Any argument/debate regarding the area commonly referred to as Palestine/Israel should start from a general knowledge of the history that reflects the region... even though ancient history may be discounted as irrelevant to modern times, recent history ( the last 100-150 years ) of the foreign occupation of Palestine has significance to what transpires today... recent Jewish immigration into Palestine began as early as the 1800's in a concerted effort to populate the area to gain control over land and resources...

Arab and Jewish immigration to Palestine from 1920-1945, prepared by the British Mandate to the United Nations. Jews . . . . . . . . . . . 367, 854 Moslems / Arabs . . . . 33,304

Arab and Jewish immigration to Palestine from 1920-1945, prepared by the British Mandate to the United Nations

[dixon]

Quote by: Killroy Again with the claim . You do understand don't you , that I do not have to defend a claim that I did not make . .

Yes. Making your defense all that more odd.

[Killroy]

Considering that I have made no defense to a claim that I did not make ,
the odd thing here is your insistence about it .


How is the reasearch ?

[shrike]

Quote by: Diogenes Hummmmmm...the University of São Paulo has a Palestine agenda??? You see that's why I verified one source with a completely different source. So I can easily refute the ' well, they hate us ' mentality.

You posted from "Passia" site its Palestinian site and if the university promotes it then it tells us about the bias in this university

Yes..the land they ' bought '...unfortunately most of the land was stolen.

What land was exactly stolen and how?

Only because of a mass illegal immigration policy forced upon the Palestinians to rob them of their natural homeland.

How it's forced?

[shrike]

Quote by: Killroy So how did that work ?

You don't know how the land is bought?

The United Nations stole the land off the Palestinians , and the jews bought it . How much were the UN paid ?

Prove that UN stole anything from Palestinians.

[Killroy]

Quote by: shrike You don't know how the land is bought? Prove that UN stole anything from Palestinians.

It just went straight over the top eh

[shrike]

Quote by: Killroy I have not made that claim that you say I have . Is there a reason for your saying that I did ?

Yes you have
Here its again:

Killroy:And thats' not taking into account the Khazar origins of the Ashkenazi. Shrikeo you have some peer reviews genetic researches that confirm your fringe theory?

Interesting . no mention of control groups tho . did you hold that bit back

You maid the claim so you should prove it,

What Jews ?

What do you mean by that?

[shrike]

Quote by: Killroy It just went straight over the top eh

I see that you have no real answer. Its understandable defending the indefensible is hard task for you

[Killroy]

Quote by: shrike Yes you have Here its again: You maid the claim so you should prove it, What do you mean by that?

What part if all that is you question relating to ?

the maid .......

the peer .....

the jew .....

the group ........


Let me guess .......... the butler done it

[Killroy]

Quote by: shrike I see that you have no real answer. Its understandable defending the indefensible is hard task for you

Answers need clear and concise questions to reply to

[shrike]

Answers need clear and concise questions to reply to

What was not clear in my post?

[Killroy]

Quote by: shrike What was not clear in my post?

Everything

[shrike]

Everything

Classical excuse when terrorist apologizers have nothing to answer.

[shrike]

Quote by: Killroy What part if all that is you question relating to ? the maid ....... the peer ..... the jew ..... the group ........ Let me guess .......... the butler done it

Again.What do you mean by the question" What Jews". You don't know what Jews is?

[Killroy]

Shlomo Sand on Israel No one is more surprised than Shlomo Sand that his latest academic work has spent 19 weeks on Israels bestseller list and that success has come to the history professor despite his book challenging Israels biggest taboo. Dr Sand argues that the idea of a Jewish nation whose need for a safe haven was originally used to justify the founding of the state of Israel is a myth invented little more than a century ago. An expert on European history at Tel Aviv University, Dr Sand drew on extensive historical and archaeological research to support not only this claim but several more all equally controversial. In addition, he argues that the Jews were never exiled from the Holy Land, that most of todays Jews have no historical connection to the land called Israel and that the only political solution to the countrys conflict with the Palestinians is to abolish the Jewish state .............. ................It is not taught in Israeli schools but most of the early Zionist leaders, including David Ben Gurion [Israels first prime minister], believed that the Palestinians were the descendants of the areas original Jews. They believed the Jews had later converted to Islam. Dr Sand attributed his colleagues reticence to engage with him to an implicit acknowledgement by many that the whole edifice of Jewish history taught at Israeli universities is built like a house of cards. The problem with the teaching of history in Israel, Dr Sand said, dates to a decision in the 1930s to separate history into two disciplines: general history and Jewish history. Jewish history was assumed to need its own field of study because Jewish experience was considered unique.............

Shlomo Sand on Israel

[shrike]

Shlomo Sand on Israel

Please explain.What excatly you point.And what do really claim?

[Killroy]

Gaza's contested decades Joel Greenberg January 5, 2009 June 1967: Israel seizes the Gaza Strip from Egypt in the Six-Day War, also capturing the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan and the Golan Heights from Syria. May 1994: Israel pulls out from most of Gaza, except settlements and army bases protecting them, under Oslo accords with the Palestinians. August 2005: Israel withdraws its troops and settlers from Gaza but retains control of border passages. January 2006: Hamas wins Palestinian parliamentary elections in West Bank and Gaza Strip. June 2006: Israeli army Cpl. Gilad Shalit is abducted by Hamas militants in a cross-border raid. June 2007: Hamas seizes control of Gaza in brief civil war with Fatah faction of President Mahmoud Abbas. Israel blockades Gaza, allowing in only humanitarian supplies. June 2008: Egypt helps mediate a six-month cease-fire calling for a halt to rocket attacks from Gaza in exchange for Israel opening border crossings to more supplies. Dec. 19, 2008: Cease-fire expires, with each side accusing the other of failing to carry out its obligations. After Israeli troops kill three Hamas gunmen in a clash at the border, barrages of rockets and mortars are fired at Israel. Dec. 27, 2008: Israel launches offensive against Hamas, the largest attack on Gaza since the 1967 war.

Gaza's contested decades -- chicagotribune.com

[Killroy]

A Brief History Of The Gaza Strip By Alyssa Fetini Wednesday, Jan. 07, 2009 The region of Gaza, a 25-mile long, 7-mile wide finger of land along the Mediterranean at the border between Israel and Egypt, has been at the center of geopolitical tug-of-wars for its entire existence. Originally part of the Ancient Egyptian region of Canaan, Gaza was best known in ancient times for its strategic location as an important trading center for Asian, European and North African markets. The desirability of the territory resulted in frequent battles for its control. Gaza was conquered by the Philistines in the 13th century B.C., razed by the Hasmonean Kingdom and suffered incursions from the likes of Napoleon and Alexander the Great, whose army put the entire male population to death for refusing to surrender. (See pictures of the conflict in the Gaza Strip.) Gaza's longest modern stretch of occupation came after the region fell to the Ottoman Empire in 1517, under whose sway it remained for four centuries, until the dissolution of the Empire following World War 1. After World War II, a massive influx of Jews to the British Mandate of Palestine and the partitioning of the territory into separate Jewish and Arab states led to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The subsequent 1949 Armistice Agreement gave Jordan control over the West Bank region of Palestine while Egypt gained control of Gaza. Gaza became densely populated with Arab refugees expelled from the newly independent Israel. While in the West Bank, Jordan offered citizenship to many of the refugees, Egypt did not extend the offer to Gazans; they remained under Egyptian military rule until Israel reoccupied the strip following the 6-day war against the Arab States in 1967. Gaza and the West Bank remained under Israeli occupation and military control for nearly 30 years, during which the Palestinians of the region struggled achieve independence while clashing with Jewish settlers encroaching into Palestinian territories.

The Gaza Strip - TIME