Kerry Campaign caught in another lie... about 'Nam

[Mr.Vicchio]

WASHINGTON -- Vietnam combat records posted on John F. Kerry's campaign website for the month of January 1969 as evidence of his service aboard swift boat No. 94 describe action that occurred before Kerry was skipper of that craft, according to the officer who said he commanded the boat at the time. ADVERTISEMENT On the site, the Massachusetts senator is described as the skipper of Navy boat No. 94 during several actions in late January 1969. However, Edward Peck, who was the skipper of the 94 before Kerry took over, said combat reports posted by the campaign for January 1969 involve action when he was the skipper, not Kerry. Peck, who was seriously wounded in fighting that took place on Jan. 29, 1969, said he believes Kerry campaign aides made a mistake in claiming Kerry as skipper of the 94 at that time. On the Kerry website, the report of the combat on that day on the 94 boat is posted as occurring during Kerry's time as skipper of the boat. Peck said Kerry replaced him after the Jan. 29, 1969, event. "Those are definitely mine," Peck said, referring to the combat reports that the Kerry campaign posted as representing Kerry's action. "There is no doubt about it." http://www.boston.com/news/politics/presid..._kerrys_record/

Wow this is getting better and better... poor John Kerry, the capstone of his political career is collapsing around him... I wonder how long this will last before even the Democrats reach the boiling point and they turn on him?

[PatrickHenry]

The report you reference calls it a mistake, not a lie, Vicchio. 'Course your guy never lies. Any mistakes on YOUR record, Navy guy? How many are lies? You are the most partisan person on this board, Vicchio. Makes me want to vote for Kerry just to spite you.

[Mr.Vicchio]

First off, I am not running for public office, so what does my record have to do with the price of rice in china?

Secondly, you of ALL people I would think would see something to question, hard.

Go ahead, vote for Kerry, laugh as you punch the chad or whatever, your vote..

Third, whats wrong with being partisan? Hmmm?
I agree with George W Bush 80% of the time, I beleive that America was attacked by Al-Quada and they want to do it again...

I don't see some Massive dark consperiacy to grab land and oil for Haliburton.. I don't see a government power grab to turn America into a police state.... I don't buy half baked fear mongering....

I am partisan, and PROUD OF IT.

I know that drives some people nutz, what would you have I do, fall in line and repeat the mantra most spoken around here? Bush = The devil!
America = the Devil?

Is that the only type of poster you think should post here?

[Comrade]

Off-topic:
I question the timing of this hurricane

[Mr.Vicchio]

Originally posted by Comrade, Off-topic: I question the timing of this hurricane

Its harp, it gives Bush a chance to show Flordia he cares...

[jose]

http://www.rense.com/earthchanges/emfmind.htm
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MR Vicchio Its harp, it gives Bush a chance to show Flordia he cares...
actually its called HAARP

i do not think the 'capstone' of john kerry's political career is vietnam. it shines well on him that he served and earned his medals, but the things that i feel are more critical are his energy plan and his economic package. those remain much better than bush's choices.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Originally posted by Bob_Dobbs, i do not think the 'capstone' of john kerry's political career is vietnam. it shines well on him that he served and earned his medals, but the things that i feel are more critical are his energy plan and his economic package. those remain much better than bush's choices.

What are they?

you mean this?

John Kerry will cut the deficit in half during his first four years in office. He will end corporate welfare as we know it, roll back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and impose a real cap to keep spending in check. And when John Kerry puts forward a new idea, he'll tell you how he's going to pay for it. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/

The above is from Mr. Kerry's OWN WEB SITE. This claim is proposterious to say the least, much like my claims of having perfect typing, the reality of the matter, does not fit. I read this and was pretty shocked, and with some research and looking about on the web, I was directed to this little gem. John Kerry is promising 2.1 TRILLION in spending over the next ten years, but will cut the deficit in 2 years by half...

Are people really that guillable?

One of the more curious developments in the presidential campaign is that the media has a strikingly different standard for Democratic and Republican candidates. Senator Kerry litters his stump speeches with countless proposals, but even now, has not provided voters with a careful accounting of how his plan fits together. That job has been left to others. On the tax side, the Brookings-Urban Joint Tax Policy Center has provided a highly professional analysis of the static budgetary impact of Kerry's proposals. On the spending side, however, no similar study has been done. This omission is crucial, since a key claim by Senator Kerry is that his plan will significantly reduce the deficit. Without a careful analysis of his proposals, that claim cannot be evaluated. To fill the gap, my AEI colleague Eric Engen and I just completed a detailed analysis of the Kerry spending proposals. To perform the analysis, we combed through Kerry's web site and public statements to assemble a list of every spending promise he has made, and then dug through the public record to find third-party cost estimates for each of his proposals. When necessary, we adjusted the period for the existing score to the 10-year budget window using standard techniques. When we could not find such cost estimates, we relied on numbers that were supplied by the Kerry campaign. When the Kerry campaign did not provide cost estimates, we set the score for that promise to zero. Even with that generous accounting, the Kerry spending promises add up to an extraordinary amount of money. Our best estimate is that Kerry's proposals will add up to between $2 trillion and $2.1 trillion over the next ten years. Since the revenue from his tax proposals relative to the current baseline is actually negative, this implies that the Kerry proposal would increase the deficit by perhaps as much as $2.5 trillion over the next ten years. On August 3, 2004, the Kerry campaign responded to criticisms such as this with a revised budget plan. The main difference between the first and second plans is that the campaign now claims to be able to save about $300 billion from eliminating corporate welfare. Even if we include this rather implausible savings in our estimate, the net increase in the deficit associated with Kerry's proposals is on the order of $2.2 trillion. http://techcentralstation.com/081304C.html

Details of budget analysis:

http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.2105.../pub_detail.asp

Enjoy!

[Mr.Vicchio]

Originally posted by jose, http://www.rense.com/earthchanges/emfmind.htm QUOTE MR Vicchio Its harp, it gives Bush a chance to show Flordia he cares... actually its called HAARP

I know what HAARP is according to some. I have heard other theories as well, but far less nefarious and thus they don't get the "tin foil hat" club to pay them any mind.

Its called High Altitude Research Project and it either controls the weather, mind cotnrol, alien cell phone array, a spy listening post, or XX

I know what XX is but its really boring and stuff.

[Zeebadee]

It's unfortunate that the senate chose to abdicate their responsibility and not convict an admitted liar and perjurer and throw him out of office when they should have. By their cowardly action, they have made lying an acceptable part of the political process. Neither one of these pathetic pandering liars is qualified to take the oath to defend the United States and perform the duties of the office of POTUS. Nevertheless, we are going to get one of them. God help us all.

bush lied to us about iraq. condoleeza rice perjured herself on television by saying that we had no advanced warning of 9/11.

"He will end corporate welfare as we know it, roll back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and impose a real cap to keep spending in check."

that was what i got out of the john kerry statement. he will cut the deficit in half by stopping the lavish tax cuts for the rich and for corrupt corporate welfare. we can keep it then by limiting the federal government's spending.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by Bob_Dobbs, bush lied to us about iraq. condoleeza rice perjured herself on television by saying that we had no advanced warning of 9/11.

Why is this drivel always brought up to try and change the subject?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Bob_Dobbs, how again did Bush lie to us?

Hmmm?

Please, go into great detail, Cause I will when I tear you apart on it.

[Zeebadee]

Yeah, Bush didn't lie because lots of other people believed and said the same things about Iraq that he did. Even if what you say is untrue, it's not a lie if lots of people believe it too. Bush was just factually challenged, he didn't lie.

[jose]

[quote]
I don't see some Massive dark consperiacy to grab land and oil for Haliburton.. I don't see a government power grab to turn America into a police state.... I don't buy half baked fear mongering....mr vicchio
I think some people in USA would sooner believe the government, rather than thier own lying eyes

The people running the vaunted Republican political machine appear to have taken complete leave of their senses. The organization of “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth” has to be one of the politically stupidest attempts at a smear in our time.


What on earth do the Republicans hope to gain from these smears? Do they really want to make the election a referendum on the Vietnam War records of Kerry and Bush? While President Bush served in the National Guard, John Kerry actually saw combat in Vietnam. President Bush—to put it diplomatically—has been unable to put to rest questions as to whether he really fulfilled his commitment. John Kerry received three Purple Hearts, the Bronze Star, and the Silver Star.

An editorial in the Washington Post takes apart the allegations by “Swift Boat Veterans for Lies.” George Elliot, John Kerry’s commander in Vietnam, claims that Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. Yet, Elliot recommended Kerry for the Silver and Bronze Star and called Kerry “calm, professional and highly courageous in the face of enemy fire.” So did Elliot lie then or is he lying now?
http://gadflyer.com/flytrap/index.php?Week=200433#624

[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by Mr.Vicchio, Wow this is getting better and better... poor John Kerry, the capstone of his political career is collapsing around him... I wonder how long this will last before even the Democrats reach the boiling point and they turn on him?

Democrats don't care. You don't care. Is this really the pathetic "jab" Republicans are running on against Kerry? Could there perhaps be an issue or something of importance to attack him on?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Sigh...

"BUSH WAS AWOL!" for the last three years.

A Bogus claim but thats for another thread.

John Kerry's speech at the DNC Convention, his stump speeches, and most of his political career has centered around vietnam.

Now whne its ya'lls turn to feel the heat, you cry foul and attempt to change the subject...

Whats the matter? Can't handle it?

The issue is John Kerry's fault for putting Vietnam as the center of his political life.

We could debate issues, and I do, but rarely here that just leads to hearing one variant of the tired Bush is Satan/War for oil charges...

How about this, its a matter of character.

Kerry lied aboutbeing in Vietnam, on the SENATE floor no less.

War Crimes (Either he is an admitted war criminal or he is a liar)

He pushed Vietnam for 4 and 1/2 paragraphs of his Acceptance speech, and he reported for "duty"

He spent less then one paragraph on his senate career and no mention of being a Lt. Governor...

We are at war, and this man wants the job of leading us, and uses his war record to show he has what it takes. Yet his war record is being heavily refuted. He could end the debate but instead sends out his lawyers and relies on his useful idiots, if I may borrow the term from Marx, to try and deflect the charges instead of standing up to them.

I do care, and you are right though, Democrats care nothing for the truth, jsut what sounds good.

[Suburbanite]

lol, V you need to realize you aren't talking to a Democrat and rephrase a whole lot of that.

[Compugasm]

Originally posted by jose, President Bush—to put it diplomatically—has been unable to put to rest questions as to whether he really fulfilled his commitment.

That isn't the issue. If the claims of swifties are true, then it's not a smear. He won't release the records now, because they must have hit some truth. Kerry will look awefully bad for attempting to sue and silence average citizens for telling the truth. It's Kerrys fault for making this an issue.

[Zeebadee]

"Kerry lied aboutbeing in Vietnam, on the SENATE floor no less."

No no no, you misunderstand! Kerry didn't lie, he just got some bad intel data! He really thought he was there. It's all just an honest mistake!