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Section 8 · Nov 17, 2003, 11:01 pm

While reading the ABC's of Communist Anarchism for yet another time, I came across a quote, whose words ring true today.

"In the name of patriotism you are ordered to stop being decent and honest, to cease being yourself, to suspend your own judgment, and give up your life; to become a will-less cog in a murderous machine, blindly obeying the order to kill, pillage, and destroy; to give up your father and mother, wife and child, and all that you love, and proceed to slaughter your fellow-men who never did you any harm - who are just as unfortunate and deluded victims of their masters as you are of yours."

Impenitent · Nov 18, 2003, 11:19 am

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Section 8,)
While reading the ABC's of Communist Anarchism for yet another time, I came across a quote, whose words ring true today.

"In the name of patriotism you are ordered to stop being decent and honest, to cease being yourself, to suspend your own judgment, and give up your life; to become a will-less cog in a murderous machine, blindly obeying the order to kill, pillage, and destroy; to give up your father and mother, wife and child, and all that you love, and proceed to slaughter your fellow-men who never did you any harm - who are just as unfortunate and deluded victims of their masters as you are of yours."<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

In the name of communism you are ordered to stop being an actual individual, to cease being yourself, to suspend your own judgment, and give up your life; to become a will-less cog in a communist machine, blindly obeying the order to toil, drudge, and struggle; to give up your father and mother, wife and child, and all that you love, and proceed to preform for your fellow-men who never did you any good - who are just as unfortunate and deluded victims of their masters as you are of yours.

keep ringing

laserkid · Nov 18, 2003, 04:11 pm

Oh how much fun general views of things are...

castille · Nov 19, 2003, 07:01 am

In the name of Communism....salute Stalin.

indierockboy · Nov 19, 2003, 07:46 am

in the name of capitalism...starve the third world.

Impenitent · Nov 19, 2003, 12:57 pm

in the name of freedom, live your own life and stop telling others how to live...

G. Adams · Nov 19, 2003, 02:39 pm

Thats all the left want, yet we can't because a minority have monopolised all the resources neccesary to living.

Impenitent · Nov 19, 2003, 03:37 pm

G

no, the left wants to monopolize all the necessary resources for themselves by stealing it from those who own it and slaughtering anyone who doesn't share the communist view in an act of perpetual revolution against human nature... and you don't want to tell people how to live? forced communalism is forced... viva la revolution!

G. Adams · Nov 19, 2003, 03:46 pm

Ah yes, I forgot that we on the left what the wise impenitent tells us we want.

The left wants means of resources to be taken from the owners, you call it stealing, I call it taking back what has already been stolen.

We don't want to kill all those who disagree with us, just like capitalists don't want to kill all communists. But like communists have to just get on with living in capitalism, capitalists will just have to deal with living under communism.

Impenitent · Nov 19, 2003, 03:49 pm

take it back... then they take it back and the fighting for materials continues... just have to deal with communism? sorry, they will not deal, they'll kill and take just as you endorse in your revolution... that's how people play the game...

G. Adams · Nov 19, 2003, 03:55 pm

If they try and kill us to take the property back from the community then the communists will kill those people.

Impenitent · Nov 19, 2003, 04:02 pm

exactly! now you see the light! all you get with communism is the killing game... everyone killing everyone else and stealing from those they can... that is the beauty of humanity... vicious circle eh?

G. Adams · Nov 19, 2003, 04:05 pm

If communism results in this killing game, then it is no different than capitalism, because the poverty it causes results in either starvation or civil war. So what are you objecting to?

Impenitent · Nov 19, 2003, 04:10 pm

it is far worse and it is far different than capitalism... in capitalism, you can rejoice in your natural human greed... in communism you are a slave to the herd denying your humanity...

G. Adams · Nov 19, 2003, 04:16 pm

If greed is part of my humanity, then capitalism is crushing my humanity through laws. I should be allowed to take property if I am strong enough if greed is natural. And if enough of us are strong and communist, then we are in accordance to take that property and redistribute as we see fit, which would be equally.

Impenitent · Nov 19, 2003, 04:25 pm

bravo! you are allowed to try... but we are allowed to resist...

and resist we will...

Jello comes to mind:
"Rioting - the unbeatable high
Adrenaline shoots your nerves to the sky
Everyone knows this town is gonna blow
And it's all gonna blow right now...

Now you can smash all the windows that you want
All you need are some friends and a rock
Throwing a brick never felt so damn good
Smash some more glass
Scream with a laugh
And wallow with the crowd
Watch them kicking peoples' ass

But you get to the place
Where the real slavedrivers live
It's walled off by the riot squad
Aiming guns right at your head
So you turn right around
And play right into their hands
And set your own neighborhood
Burning to the ground instead

(chorus)
Riot - the unbeatable high
Riot - shoots your nerves to the sky
Riot - playing into their hands
Tomorrow you're homeless
Tonight it's a blast

Get your kicks in quick
They're callin' the National Guard
Now could be your only chance
To torch a police car

Climb the roof, kick the siren in
And jump and yelp for joy
Quickly - dive back in the crowd
Slip away, now don't get caught

Let's loot the spiffy Hi-Fi Store
Grab as much as you can hold
Pray your arms won't fall off
Here comes the owner with a gun

(chorus)

The barricades spring up from nowhere
Cops in helmets line the lines
Shotguns prod into your bellies
The trigger fingers want an excuse
Now

The raging mob has lost its nerve
There's more of us but who goes first
No one dares to cross the line
The cops know that they've won

It's all over but not quite
The pigs have just begun to fight
They club your heads, kick your teeth
Police can riot all they please

(chorus)

Tomorrow you're homeless
Tonight it's a blast"

Section 8 · Nov 19, 2003, 04:59 pm

I like the Dead Kennedys today, but really. I have no idea what that had to do with topic.

Impenitent · Nov 19, 2003, 05:06 pm

I like and liked the kennedys when I first heard them in 1980...

it is a different type of "revolution"

tomorrow you're homeless...

tonight it's a blast...

fishamaphone · Nov 20, 2003, 05:30 pm

ok, I'm confused as to how the conversation turned...

Going back to communism vs. capitolism(a seemingly predominant fight here at Volvocon):

I propose a compromise. Compromises always work, if you find the right one... don't go to extremes. Here's my solution. Take the general build of capitolism. From there, you institute a wage cap, similar to some professional sports. Should one person exeed ownership of $X in property and investments(and just plain cash), they must pay the remainder to the government, who allocates these funds to rebuilding impoverished areas. That dollar ammount will be reasonable, so you know... but when you think about it, there's around a $40 billion difference between the richest person in America and the 10th richest... is there really anything one can do that the other can't? Wouldn't $40 billion go a LONG way in creating new jobs for people who need them? In the long run, wouldn't that only be good?

OK, I gotta go now... just wanted to get that in... the end's kinda rushed... ok, gone now!

Impenitent · Nov 20, 2003, 09:19 pm

if you consider theft to be good

Nov 18, 2003, 11:19 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Section 8,) While reading the ABC's of Communist Anarchism for yet another time, I came across a quote, whose words ring true today. "In the name of patriotism you are ordered to stop being decent and honest, to cease being yourself, to suspend your own judgment, and give up your life; to become a will-less cog in a murderous machine, blindly obeying the order to kill, pillage, and destroy; to give up your father and mother, wife and child, and all that you love, and proceed to slaughter your fellow-men who never did you any harm - who are just as unfortunate and deluded victims of their masters as you are of yours."<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> In the name of communism you are ordered to stop being an actual individual, to cease being yourself, to suspend your own judgment, and give up your life; to become a will-less cog in a communist machine, blindly obeying the order to toil, drudge, and struggle; to give up your father and mother, wife and child, and all that you love, and proceed to preform for your fellow-men who never did you any good - who are just as unfortunate and deluded victims of their masters as you are of yours. keep ringing "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Nov 18, 2003, 04:11 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
laserkid Molten Ash Location: Sore Wa Himitsu Desu Posts: 80	Oh how much fun general views of things are... "That is a Secret." -Xellos

Nov 19, 2003, 07:01 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	In the name of Communism....salute Stalin. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Nov 19, 2003, 07:46 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
indierockboy Molten Ash Location: ontario canada Posts: 104	in the name of capitalism...starve the third world. http://www.autophobic.net/tmesis/sig.gif

Nov 19, 2003, 12:57 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	in the name of freedom, live your own life and stop telling others how to live... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Nov 17, 2003, 11:01 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	While reading the ABC's of Communist Anarchism for yet another time, I came across a quote, whose words ring true today. "In the name of patriotism you are ordered to stop being decent and honest, to cease being yourself, to suspend your own judgment, and give up your life; to become a will-less cog in a murderous machine, blindly obeying the order to kill, pillage, and destroy; to give up your father and mother, wife and child, and all that you love, and proceed to slaughter your fellow-men who never did you any harm - who are just as unfortunate and deluded victims of their masters as you are of yours."

Nov 19, 2003, 02:39 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,161	Thats all the left want, yet we can't because a minority have monopolised all the resources neccesary to living. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Nov 19, 2003, 03:37 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	G no, the left wants to monopolize all the necessary resources for themselves by stealing it from those who own it and slaughtering anyone who doesn't share the communist view in an act of perpetual revolution against human nature... and you don't want to tell people how to live? forced communalism is forced... viva la revolution! "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Nov 19, 2003, 03:46 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,161	Ah yes, I forgot that we on the left what the wise impenitent tells us we want. The left wants means of resources to be taken from the owners, you call it stealing, I call it taking back what has already been stolen. We don't want to kill all those who disagree with us, just like capitalists don't want to kill all communists. But like communists have to just get on with living in capitalism, capitalists will just have to deal with living under communism. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Nov 19, 2003, 03:49 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	take it back... then they take it back and the fighting for materials continues... just have to deal with communism? sorry, they will not deal, they'll kill and take just as you endorse in your revolution... that's how people play the game... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Nov 19, 2003, 03:55 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,161	If they try and kill us to take the property back from the community then the communists will kill those people. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Nov 19, 2003, 04:02 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	exactly! now you see the light! all you get with communism is the killing game... everyone killing everyone else and stealing from those they can... that is the beauty of humanity... vicious circle eh? "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Nov 19, 2003, 04:05 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,161	If communism results in this killing game, then it is no different than capitalism, because the poverty it causes results in either starvation or civil war. So what are you objecting to? Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Nov 19, 2003, 04:10 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	it is far worse and it is far different than capitalism... in capitalism, you can rejoice in your natural human greed... in communism you are a slave to the herd denying your humanity... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Nov 19, 2003, 04:16 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,161	If greed is part of my humanity, then capitalism is crushing my humanity through laws. I should be allowed to take property if I am strong enough if greed is natural. And if enough of us are strong and communist, then we are in accordance to take that property and redistribute as we see fit, which would be equally. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Nov 19, 2003, 04:25 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	bravo! you are allowed to try... but we are allowed to resist... and resist we will... Jello comes to mind: "Rioting - the unbeatable high Adrenaline shoots your nerves to the sky Everyone knows this town is gonna blow And it's all gonna blow right now... Now you can smash all the windows that you want All you need are some friends and a rock Throwing a brick never felt so damn good Smash some more glass Scream with a laugh And wallow with the crowd Watch them kicking peoples' ass But you get to the place Where the real slavedrivers live It's walled off by the riot squad Aiming guns right at your head So you turn right around And play right into their hands And set your own neighborhood Burning to the ground instead (chorus) Riot - the unbeatable high Riot - shoots your nerves to the sky Riot - playing into their hands Tomorrow you're homeless Tonight it's a blast Get your kicks in quick They're callin' the National Guard Now could be your only chance To torch a police car Climb the roof, kick the siren in And jump and yelp for joy Quickly - dive back in the crowd Slip away, now don't get caught Let's loot the spiffy Hi-Fi Store Grab as much as you can hold Pray your arms won't fall off Here comes the owner with a gun (chorus) The barricades spring up from nowhere Cops in helmets line the lines Shotguns prod into your bellies The trigger fingers want an excuse Now The raging mob has lost its nerve There's more of us but who goes first No one dares to cross the line The cops know that they've won It's all over but not quite The pigs have just begun to fight They club your heads, kick your teeth Police can riot all they please (chorus) Tomorrow you're homeless Tonight it's a blast" "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Nov 19, 2003, 04:59 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	I like the Dead Kennedys today, but really. I have no idea what that had to do with topic.

Nov 19, 2003, 05:06 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	I like and liked the kennedys when I first heard them in 1980... it is a different type of "revolution" tomorrow you're homeless... tonight it's a blast... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Nov 20, 2003, 05:30 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
fishamaphone Molten Ash Posts: 68	ok, I'm confused as to how the conversation turned... Going back to communism vs. capitolism(a seemingly predominant fight here at Volvocon): I propose a compromise. Compromises always work, if you find the right one... don't go to extremes. Here's my solution. Take the general build of capitolism. From there, you institute a wage cap, similar to some professional sports. Should one person exeed ownership of $X in property and investments(and just plain cash), they must pay the remainder to the government, who allocates these funds to rebuilding impoverished areas. That dollar ammount will be reasonable, so you know... but when you think about it, there's around a $40 billion difference between the richest person in America and the 10th richest... is there really anything one can do that the other can't? Wouldn't $40 billion go a LONG way in creating new jobs for people who need them? In the long run, wouldn't that only be good? OK, I gotta go now... just wanted to get that in... the end's kinda rushed... ok, gone now!

Nov 20, 2003, 09:19 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	if you consider theft to be good "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...