Venezuela: America hones her talons, Its the OIL !

[gr8fuldaniel]

It was a landslide, or they wouldnt have shot at voters. Whos gonna stand in line when death squads show up with guns on election day and fire into the crowd. That kind of news travels fast. The referendum was NWO, not South American idea.
Yes I would say conclusively, Chavez won and the voter fraud was performed by the opposition. Chavez didnt need to cheat. Only losers need to cheat.
Couldnt stop myself from adding....Like "W"

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, It was a landslide, or they wouldnt have shot at voters. Whos gonna stand in line when death squads show up with guns on election day and fire into the crowd. That kind of news travels fast. The referendum was NWO, not South American idea. Yes I would say conclusively, Chavez won and the voter fraud was performed by the opposition. Chavez didnt need to cheat. Only losers need to cheat. Couldnt stop myself from adding....Like "W"

ROFL, you came to that conclusion without even having all the facts in(i.e. having the voting machines checked), and you STILL managed slander Bush....bravo..

[gr8fuldaniel]

My conclusion is adjustable, if you can provide something substantial to convince me that the elite opposition has the peasants best interests at heart. The poverty is horrendous; yet Venezuelas oil puddle rivals Iraq. I can see why they (NWO) want Chavez out. He wants more of the oil profits to go back into Valenz. economy. Up from 16% to 30%. Why should 84% of oil profits go into the coffers of Bushs buddies?
Here is a history of whats been going on for the last couple of years
http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle5078.htm

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, My conclusion is adjustable, if you can provide something substantial to convince me that the elite opposition has the peasants best interests at heart. The poverty is horrendous; yet Venezuelas oil puddle rivals Iraq. I can see why they (NWO) want Chavez out. He wants more of the oil profits to go back into Valenz. economy. Up from 16% to 30%. Why should 84% of oil profits go into the coffers of Bushs buddies? Here is a history of whats been going on for the last couple of years http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle5078.htm

Instead of trying to change the subject of my post, the subject being - "Political consultant J.J. Rendon presented irrefutable proof of the electoral fraud performed during the recall referendum in Venezuela." - to Bush & his cronies are stealing oil from Venezuelans, why don't you actually show some proof that the recall was correct and voting machines were NOT tampered with, since you obviously came to that conclusion using some sort of proof....please share it with us.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Dieval, Instead of trying to change the subject of my post, the subject being - "Political consultant J.J. Rendon presented irrefutable proof of the electoral fraud performed during the recall referendum in Venezuela." - to Bush & his cronies are stealing oil from Venezuelans, why don't you actually show some proof that the recall was correct and voting machines were NOT tampered with, since you obviously came to that conclusion using some sort of proof....please share it with us.

I am not denying there was any fraud, in fact I expected it. However, like I already mentioned, the 2002 California Recall election had "irrefutable proof" with the exact same type of errors (exact same number of votes in different districts) but it didnt matter, we still have a republican joke for a governor in a blue state.
Although maybe I should be suspicous, because of this:
News24.com US accepts Venezuelan result

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Diev ...why don't you actually show some proof that the recall was correct and voting machines were NOT tampered with, since you obviously came to that conclusion using some sort of proof....please share it with us.

All I was saying was it looked like a frame by the opposition, because the brown faced masses that showed up would have been hard to deny if a machine said otherwise. Chavez was the popular choice.

[gr8fuldaniel]

I also suspect this was a trial run for the same system that we will use. This is theory, I havent found what type machines they are using "down under". I have reason to believe elections are going to be a moot point or completely obsolete, soon enough. Hope not. Thats the way it looks to me. Check out all the Ways they have been cheating, and nobody has been arrested yet. That tells our kids its OK to steal and cheat. I hate what we are becoming.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, Yes I would say conclusively, Chavez won and the voter fraud was performed by the opposition.

Why would the opposition use voter fraud to keep him in power?

[gr8fuldaniel]

The same reason that the opposition would dress like Chavez supporters and shoot at the peasants to keep them from voting. It was a frame job.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, The same reason that the opposition would dress like Chavez supporters and shoot at the peasants to keep them from voting. It was a frame job.

Since there is apparently blatent tampering with the voting system, how can anything verified & accurate?

[gr8fuldaniel]

overwhelming turnout. Chavez is the peoples choice. It is the elite minority of white spaniards who have called for the referendum, out of desperation and at the bidding of NWO. We have to wait and see, but it should be Chavez in a landslide. 60% is conservative.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, it should be

sounds to me like you're still not sure...

[gr8fuldaniel]

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sounds to me like you're still not sure...[/b][/quote]I said "should be" because I dont think all the votes have been counted yet

[Gorgo]

What's next? Will the NED fund another "coup", or will Washington stand by and accept the "threat of a good example"?

[Samildanach]

Interesting link. I will think on it.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Imagine that, a world class linguist who puts things in terms a common man can grasp. Chomsky Rocks!

"The U.S. will not permit constructive programs in its own domains, so it must ensure that they are destroyed elsewhere to terminate " the threat of a good example". Noam Chomsky *****

"I think we can be reasonably confident that if the American population had the slightest idea of what is being done in their name, they would be utterly appalled." Noam Chomsky *****

And here is why they dont know...

" Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the (U.S.) media." Noam Chomsky

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Gorgo, What's next? Will the NED fund another "coup", or will Washington stand by and accept the "threat of a good example"?

This guy wouldnt put it past them.
This exposes the IRI, who does the dirty work for NED.

disinfopedia: N.E.D.In the 1/20/04 State of the Union Speech of George Walker Bush, he proposed that funding for the National Endowment for Democracy be doubled.

Former CIA agent (Aug 03) Anyone who has watched the opposition to President Hugo Chavez's government in Venezuela develop can be certain that the CIA, AID and the NED are coordinating the destabilisation and were behind the failed coup in April 2002 as well as the failed ”civic strike” of last December-January.

Well I suppose tomorrow the NED could wake up decide to be humanitarian, feed and clothe the poor and tend to the sick. I suspect we havent seen the last of them though.