Obama spreads the word in a land of God and guns

[SoylentGreen]

Obama spreads the word in a land of God and guns - 24 Oct 2008 - NZ Herald: International and World News

At Gun World and Archery on the outskirts of Elko, Farnes Williams is talking politics. At the same time, he brandishes an assault rifle of the sort John Rambo might use to single-handedly take out a Burmese military base. The weapon, he says, lies at the heart of the 2008 presidential election. "The military call this an M16 assault rifle, but round here we call it a sporting firearm," he says. "It's used for shooting squirrels, rabbits or coyotes. But you could kill some two-legged critter with it if you wanted. So if Barack Obama wins, it'll be one of the first to get banned."

Can a gun enthusiast explain the reasoning behind "The military call this an M16 assault rifle, but round here we call it a sporting firearm,"

What is sporting about an m16? Do you really need that much fire power to take out a squirrel? I don't know what you feed your wildlife on but around my area even a slug gun can deal with a rabbit.

and as well the comment , The weapon, he says, lies at the heart of the 2008 presidential election.

Really? why?

[Compugasm]

Quote by: SoylentGreen What is sporting about an m16?

If you ever shot a squirrel with it, you'd know. Try it.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Compugasm If you ever shot a squirrel with it, you'd know. Try it.

Because blowing up squirrels is fun???

Yeah, that's a good reason to make sure America remains the most gun violent, murderous nation in the civilized free world.

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[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: Compugasm If you ever shot a squirrel with it, you'd know. Try it.

Sonart beat me to it.
I know blowing things to bits is fun but i asked what is sporting about it.

[Thanatos]

Quote by: Compugasm If you ever shot a squirrel with it, you'd know. Try it.

Yeah, ever since squirrels evolved heavy weapons they've been a real problem. Personally I never go hunting with anything less than light mortars, but for you purists who demand a true challenge an M16 is a good choice. It really pits man against nature.

[Robert Marsh II]

The history of the M16 assault (sporting?) rifle:

AR-15, M16, M16A1, M16A2, M16A3:

> The M16 uses a 5.56mm (.223 caliber) cartridge round (bullet), and is stored in a 20 or 30 round magazine straight, or banana curved clip.

> The secret to the firepower of the M16 assault rifle, is hidden within the 5.56mm, .223 caliber bullet. It is due to the length of the bullet itself, once discharged from the barrel of the weapon, it begins to 'TUMBLE' through the air end-over-end! Also, this round is a high-powered charged round, giving it a dynamic flight-path.

> Once meeting whatever it comes in contact with, it rips, shreds, and tears due to it's flipping motions.

> In the case of a hit upon a human or animal target, it enters the body tumbling through the flesh, taking an unstable path through the body, and possibly exiting any of many unknown locations.

> It is the damage caused by the tumbling round, that makes it devastating to a target!

Modern Firearms - AR-15 M16 M16A1 M16A2 M16A3 assault rifle

M16A2 5.56mm Semiautomatic Rifle

[Dan_77]

Quote by: SoylentGreen Can a gun enthusiast explain the reasoning behind "The military call this an M16 assault rifle, but round here we call it a sporting firearm,"

Simple. "Assault Rifle" is a scary term cooked up by gun-control idiots who understand neither the purpose, nor the relative "firepower" of respective guns.

What is sporting about an m16? Do you really need that much fire power to take out a squirrel?

So I assume then, you're also in favor of outlawing any computer faster than the slowest one that can run internet explorer and Microsoft Word? You'd also outlaw any car that can drive faster than 65mph? Any bike that has more than one speed?

It's a rifle. It's enjoyable to fire. Target shooting is an incredibly fun and challenging experience for many people. Hunting is lots of fun for others. With either experience, there are multitude different ways you can do it.

Really? why?

Well, because Obama seeks, generally, to remove guns from citizens' hands. At least in this guy's opinion, that would be a problem.

[Dan_77]

Quote by: Sonart . Because blowing up squirrels is fun??? Yeah, that's a good reason to make sure America remains the most gun violent, murderous nation in the civilized free world. .

The only thing more nonsensical than questioning someone else's idea of fun - as if "fun" was objectively measured, is assuming that removing guns from only the hands of law-abiding citizens would make the US less violent...

Hysterical.

[xyzer]

If you are in to hunting and its legal, what difference does it make if you use an M16 or a pellet gun to kill your prey?
Agree with tivodan, such grumbling is an attempt to make someone conform to your opinion. In a sense it is political correctness. Do what I think is permissable or you are wrong.
Remember there is a second amendment to the Constitution of the USA which permits one to keep arms.

[Yarn]

The constitution was designed to allow slavery two hundred years ago in the days of single shot muskets. It is not a document of pure virtue, and the second admendment wasn't designed for 2008.

[SoylentGreen]

tivodan1116Simple. "Assault Rifle" is a scary term cooked up by gun-control idiots who understand neither the purpose, nor the relative "firepower" of respective guns.

Given Robert Marsh II post on describing the guns fire power, I would think the word assault is accurate. Given that the links to a m16 all refer to it as an assault rifle then it is hardly the term of an idiot.

So I assume then, you're also in favor of outlawing any computer faster than the slowest one that can run internet explorer and Microsoft Word? You'd also outlaw any car that can drive faster than 65mph? Any bike that has more than one speed?

And i assume your desperate if your best shot is a strawman .

It's a rifle. It's enjoyable to fire. Target shooting is an incredibly fun and challenging experience for many people. Hunting is lots of fun for others. With either experience, there are multitude different ways you can do it

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Again always good fun to blow things to bits, But how is this defined as sporting, in any sense of the word.

Well, because Obama seeks, generally, to remove guns from citizens' hands. At least in this guy's opinion, that would be a problem.

Generally , or is it in fact a specific measure of control. From what i have read obama seeks some common sense laws and gun enthusiasts turn this into some nonsense about banning all guns.

[Morality Games]

In fact, the second amendment explicitly states its purpose is maintaining a militia. That's a bit different from stating the right to bear arms shall not be infringed upon whatsoever simply for the purpose that people should be allowed have guns, as gun-rights advocates contend. If they were honest, they would admit that.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: tivodan Simple. "Assault Rifle" is a scary term cooked up by gun-control idiots who understand neither the purpose, nor the relative "firepower" of respective guns.

No, tivodan, it's not. Assault Rifle is a legitimate term for a variety of military weapons. The problem, of course, is when you get a bunch of gun loons drooling over such weapons, "GooOOOolly, I want me one a them". A WWII M1 carbine may be one thing... once you start playing with more modern, powerful assault weapons, rational Americans start to get worried and start passing reasonable restrictions.

At which point, gun nuts start playing around with custom variations that just barely allow them to say "Oh, that's not technically an assault rifle... it's a... blah, blah, blah, jargon, jargon, jargon."

You just want your high-powered playthings and you don't give a flying rip about anyone elses safety if it interferes with your "freedom" to indulge yourselves.

Quote by: tivodan So I assume then, you're also in favor of outlawing any computer faster than the slowest one that can run internet explorer and Microsoft Word?

LOLOL!! Right...



...here we see a suspect taking aim at the outgunned police with his new, high-powered Microsoft Word. A fascinating analogy, tivo.

Quote by: tivodan The only thing more nonsensical than questioning someone else's idea of fun - as if "fun" was objectively measured,...

I used to know kids who thought making pipe bombs was tons of fun, and others who thought street racing was fun. At some point one has to be mature enough to weigh ones personal pleasure against the threat to public safety. I'm sure that at one point, when our country was a pastoral, agrarian society of small, isolated, subsistence farmsteads surrounded by vast wilderness, wild game and hostile indians, firearms were a vital tool. Now, more often then not, they're simply very deadly playthings. Time to grow up.

Quote by: tivodan ...is assuming that removing guns from only the hands of law-abiding citizens would make the US less violent...

Number one, who said anything about removing guns ONLY from law-abiding citizens. Number two, the U.S. has the highest percentage of households with guns than any country in the world that measures such things, while also being among the most violent free, supposedly civilized nations, so owning guns obviously hasn't helped make us less violent, have they? All it does is make more guns available to criminals...

..."criminals" being a "scary term cooked up by gun lovers" since a criminal may be a perfectly law-abiding citizen... right up to the second they decide to squeeze the trigger on their perfectly legal firearm.

Quote by: Yarn and the second amendment wasn't designed for 2008.

Given that the Bush Supreme Court just overturned 70 years of the only Supreme Court definition the 2nd Amendment has ever had, I'd say it was RE-designed for 2008.

How fitting... yet another glorious victory for the Bush legacy.

Quote by: SoylentGreen Given Robert Marsh II post on describing the guns fire power, I would think the word assault is accurate. Given that the links to a m16 all refer to it as an assault rifle then it is hardly the term of an idiot.

I'm sure tivodan already knows this... he just found himself slipping into gunrights spin mode. All one need do is google "Assault Rifle" to see that it's a perfectly legitimate term.

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[Sonart]

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Quote by: Morality Games In fact, the second amendment explicitly states its purpose is maintaining a militia. That's a bit different from stating the right to bear arms shall not be infringed upon whatsoever simply for the purpose that people should be allowed have guns, as gun-rights advocates contend. If they were honest, they would admit that.

Alas, the opposite is true. After generations of the NRA and gun owners lying to themselves and us about their 2nd Amendment rights, which 70 years of Supreme Court and lower Court precedent said we don't have -- it being a "Collective Right" for the purpose of arming volunteer civilian militias, rather than an individual right -- Dear Leader's Robert's Court hypocritically went against everything Roberts, Alito and Scalia claim to stand for and overturned U.S. v Miller this past June.

So only now is the law of the land what they've been trying to say it was back when it actually wasn't.

Ironical, huh!!!

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[minorwork]

Quote by: Yarn The constitution was designed to allow slavery two hundred years ago in the days of single shot muskets. It is not a document of pure virtue, and the second admendment wasn't designed for 2008.

Freedom comes from 4 boxes: the soap box, the voting box, the jury box, and the cartridge box. ~ Larry McDonald, Democrat, U.S. House member representing the seventh congressional district of Georgia from January 3, 1975 to September 1, 1983 when his plane was shot down by Soviet interceptors.

The quote and the second amendment address methods that preserve freedom.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Sonart ...here we see a suspect taking aim at the outgunned police with his new, high-powered Microsoft Word. A fascinating analogy, tivo.

LULZ, I'll bet he also paid for that firearm, had all the proper permits, etc. There's no way an illegal firearm could ever be used in the commission of other illegal acts or crimes. The only people who EVER use guns in gun crimes are rednecks who enjoy shooting defenseless little woodlands critters and deer. Why do they hate bambi so? Why?

[Yarn]

In modern times a single person with a single firearm can cause mass mayhem, killing multiple people within seconds with little or no training. However, in modern times no viable rebellion can result from a bunch of farmers grabbing their rifles, MP 16 or otherwise, and attempting to take down the American government.

Furthermore, we live in a democracy, and revolutions in one are supposed to be peaceful.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: minorwork The quote and the second amendment address methods that preserve freedom.

By all means then, minorwork, please... explain how firearms owned by American civilians would have saved Representative McDonald.

Or even how, in the last century, they've defended our "freedoms".

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[SoylentGreen]

minorworkThe quote and the second amendment address methods that preserve freedom

Nice choice of words. If you had said stipulate instead of address then there could be no arguing the finer details of what is self defence and what is assault.

This is arguing the use of one weapon as apposed to banning all weapons. So it is still addressing the method.that preserve freedom.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: SoylentGreen Obama spreads the word in a land of God and guns - 24 Oct 2008 - NZ Herald: International and World News Can a gun enthusiast explain the reasoning behind "The military call this an M16 assault rifle, but round here we call it a sporting firearm," What is sporting about an m16? Do you really need that much fire power to take out a squirrel? I don't know what you feed your wildlife on but around my area even a slug gun can deal with a rabbit. and as well the comment , The weapon, he says, lies at the heart of the 2008 presidential election. Really? why?

The quote had a contradiction because first he said he calls it a hunting rifle and then he said "the weapon".

Which is it in his mind?

All those animals and critters can be taken out wiht a 22 (even one make for kids to use when hunting).

What kind of two legged critters do they go hunting for around those parts anyway? Bigfoot?

Now if he is talking self defense then perhaps he could have a point concerning the right to bear arms. If I had my way they should be banned for hunting purposes at least.

The guy is paniting a bad image of true hunters and sportsmen with his lame comments. No doubt he also uses a whale harpoon to got finshing for lake bass.

More and more I see these postings that seem more like a comedy prank then anything else, or is the world really on the verge of insanity? Not sure about which one is correct.