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castille · Nov 17, 2003, 08:52 am

Pictures tell a thousand words....

Capitalism

Communism

G. Adams · Nov 17, 2003, 08:56 am

If only you could see how hard I laughed at that.

RebelWithanAK · Nov 17, 2003, 11:01 am

A better comparison:

Havana, New York

Havana, New York

Havana, New York

Havana looks like a slightly poorer New York. God bless the embargo.

**Sean** · Nov 17, 2003, 04:24 pm

This topic is impossible to take seriously in my opinion. How can you take a small excerpt of one area, and compare it to another for a definition of such large concepts as communism+capitalism?

laserkid · Nov 17, 2003, 04:27 pm

I have to agree with Sean pictures may say a thousand words, but a thousand words doesnt really do a complex topic like this justice. Both systems have plus' and minus' - the issue mainly comes down to which set of plus' you feel outweighs the minus'.

RebelWithanAK · Nov 17, 2003, 04:44 pm

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sean,)
This topic is impossible to take seriously in my opinion. How can you take a small excerpt of one area, and compare it to another for a definition of such large concepts as communism+capitalism?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>Easy, by ignoring the complete lack of relation in the photos' content and context. Comparing Times Square with a steel mill ain't exactly the best of material.

Frankly, the poor look rather the same in each situation.

**Sean** · Nov 17, 2003, 04:49 pm

Yes, but how am I to know the quantity of poverty in each area? Is it a concentrated problem, or something city/nation-wide? Taking a picture of a palace in France and Mexico hardly tells me what’s going on in such contrasting countries. Just a thought.

RebelWithanAK · Nov 17, 2003, 04:57 pm

Well, that's not what good ol' Castille wanted, but hey - what are statistics when they get in the way of what he wants to show? So what if a heavily sanctioned economically-struggling Communist country is doing better to educate its citizens than us? So what if the entire Northeast of the United States went out of power because of privatization and lack of regulation and maintenance? So what if the majority of people living in the richest city in the world reside in apartment buildings that are old and crumbling?

Marx was right - the working class has more in common with its counterparts in foreign nations than the upper classes of its own peoples.

indierockboy · Nov 17, 2003, 07:44 pm

best. argument. ever.

(note: sarcasm.)

castille · Nov 19, 2003, 07:48 am

Consider that New York is the representation of capitalism.

And that Communist workers are the representation of communism....

You can't exactly show a photo of Castro in his beautiful palace smoking a cigar while the Cuban mases attempt to flee to America....that wouldn't be a true representation of Communism. Even in the US, the poorest workers aren't trying to flee to Cuba....

Want some worded facts:

Thousands of Cubans swimming to Florida...

Thousands of North Koreans attempting to sneak to China, South Korea, and Japan....

Thousands of East German Communists fleeing to capitalist West Germany....

Nov 17, 2003, 08:52 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Pictures tell a thousand words.... Capitalism Communism Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Nov 17, 2003, 08:56 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,153	If only you could see how hard I laughed at that. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Nov 17, 2003, 11:01 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	A better comparison: Havana, New York Havana, New York Havana, New York Havana looks like a slightly poorer New York. God bless the embargo. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Nov 17, 2003, 04:24 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Sean former overlord Location: New York Posts: 2,383	This topic is impossible to take seriously in my opinion. How can you take a small excerpt of one area, and compare it to another for a definition of such large concepts as communism+capitalism? So it goes

Nov 17, 2003, 04:27 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
laserkid Molten Ash Location: Sore Wa Himitsu Desu Posts: 80	I have to agree with Sean pictures may say a thousand words, but a thousand words doesnt really do a complex topic like this justice. Both systems have plus' and minus' - the issue mainly comes down to which set of plus' you feel outweighs the minus'. "That is a Secret." -Xellos

Nov 17, 2003, 04:44 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sean,) This topic is impossible to take seriously in my opinion. How can you take a small excerpt of one area, and compare it to another for a definition of such large concepts as communism+capitalism?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>Easy, by ignoring the complete lack of relation in the photos' content and context. Comparing Times Square with a steel mill ain't exactly the best of material. Frankly, the poor look rather the same in each situation. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Nov 17, 2003, 04:49 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Sean former overlord Location: New York Posts: 2,383	Yes, but how am I to know the quantity of poverty in each area? Is it a concentrated problem, or something city/nation-wide? Taking a picture of a palace in France and Mexico hardly tells me what’s going on in such contrasting countries. Just a thought. So it goes

Nov 17, 2003, 04:57 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Well, that's not what good ol' Castille wanted, but hey - what are statistics when they get in the way of what he wants to show? So what if a heavily sanctioned economically-struggling Communist country is doing better to educate its citizens than us? So what if the entire Northeast of the United States went out of power because of privatization and lack of regulation and maintenance? So what if the majority of people living in the richest city in the world reside in apartment buildings that are old and crumbling? Marx was right - the working class has more in common with its counterparts in foreign nations than the upper classes of its own peoples. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Nov 17, 2003, 07:44 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
indierockboy Molten Ash Location: ontario canada Posts: 104	best. argument. ever. (note: sarcasm.) http://www.autophobic.net/tmesis/sig.gif

Nov 19, 2003, 07:48 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Consider that New York is the representation of capitalism. And that Communist workers are the representation of communism.... You can't exactly show a photo of Castro in his beautiful palace smoking a cigar while the Cuban mases attempt to flee to America....that wouldn't be a true representation of Communism. Even in the US, the poorest workers aren't trying to flee to Cuba.... Want some worded facts: Thousands of Cubans swimming to Florida... Thousands of North Koreans attempting to sneak to China, South Korea, and Japan.... Thousands of East German Communists fleeing to capitalist West Germany.... Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.