04 Election CRUCIAL - Not Just Partisan

[Young]

http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/38124...46|reuters.html

Now kerry is showing His Azz, talking like NO WMD's are cool with Him....He'd of still invaded Iraq, Sly Move, and it works.....because some are more strongly opposed to Bush based on stuff as simple as Immigrattion, or the Economy....but Kerry was about to Lose as Saddam would be on trial....."To Kill a Mockingbird" so Kerry decided that "a Bird in the Hand was worth Two in the Bushzzz" So Kerry gave up bringing the Soldiers home and War was misguided for Not being on the opposite side of Saddam on Trial, and He gave up arguements about Saddam not being a Threat. However, for Reasons such as Immigrattion, or the Economy...added to Kerry trying to be all Republic War was Right, now lets watch the Fireworks and In Nov maybe You can Vote for me. Kerry Knows that No matter what he says, every last Democrat is Voting against Bush...He's picked Edwards and adopted Southern ideas and He's using them to seem Conservative on Key issues....the problem with all of this is, Bush can't Pretend to be liberal.....That's How Bad being Libera is, In Our mind It's Homo's, ACLU, Abortion, Taxing, Taking Threats from other Countries to an extent, and Very morally loose. It's Like o4 bush V. Satan....and that'd been anyone they'd of picked except for Edwards, atleast down here....People believe in "Robin Hood" and We Know he Sued for the poor against People with Costly representation. We find it extremely Mocking when Bush or cheney attack His Wealth, and His Wife is the Most Beautiful string of Pearls You ever did see....if You meet Her. Still though I wouldn't Vote for Bush or Kerry...not because i'm idiot enough, to think Nader will Win....but seriously


Why wouldn't they support One another?

They have a Common Goal.

Come along Now Lil Children and Let me tell You a 100% True story...think Not, Prove it!

Stay with me Now & don't forget to THINK......

Whats 90% of Americans got in common? (Voting Block) Christian religion thats what.....whats a Lil scarrier than Terrorism? REVELATIONS?

Hey did You Know that before the 50's Israel...was though of as Is'ntrael?

Luckily for the "Zionist Movement" WW2 & hitler happened......Oh stop I'm calling the antidefemation league on you....No Seriously look it Up.

Jesus died on the Cross to Save us from Our Sins, Prior to this My lord JEHOVA was in checkmate....what with SIN having NO Gobetween, so that People didn't Know they could come back to the Lord after they'd Made Mistakes.

Don't get it Twisted either, The Kuran & Bible agree on Abraham and disagree with the Son (Caliph) Isaac for Us, Ishmael for them...or were Both Present like Cane & Able? Either way God tested Abe's Faith by asking Him to Sacrifice His Son for God, and Abe was about to do it....and God said, Sacrifice that Ram with its Horns caught in the Bush.....When We were in the Sinsqueeze God didn't hesitate and Did for us what God wouldn't ask Man to do for God....Ah the Rub

After all these years How does Germany get the Banking help and material assisstance needed to take on the World and Destroy 30 something Million jewish (God's Chosen people).....Well between 30 to 40 %%% of it came from Brown & Harriman.

IMPORTANT READ


Herald Tribune splashed on its front page in July 1942.
The Bush-Nazi connection
Thyssen funds found in US
The Zanesville Signal [Zanesville, OH] July 31, 1941
NEW YORK — Existence of a $3,000,000 fund established here by Fritz Thyssen, German industrialist and original banker of Adolf Hitler was disclosed today in a story in the New York Journal-American.
The story added:
Whether the money is for Thyssen personally, or, perhaps, for some of his high-placed Nazi friends in the event of an "emergency" compelling them to leave Germany, no one knew.

However, it will do neither Thyssen nor any of his Nazi friends any good now, as it has been "frozen" along with the $4,500,000,000 Axis assets now held in this country.
The money exists in funds of the Union Banking corporation, an investment company incorporated and licensed under New York state laws in August, 1924.
Update, Oct. 19, 2003:
• For years — since George Bush the elder first ran for Vice President under Reagan — the Bush family's history of Nazi connections has been fairly common knowledge to anyone reading even mainstream media outside the United States.

In October of 2003, Associated Press decided it was "newsworthy," and what's common knowledge in the rest of the world became "news" in America.
Of course, very few American newspapers carried the article... =H&HH=
Money for its $400,000 capital stock came from Thyssen's bank Voor Handel En Scheepvaart in Rotterdam.
Among members of its board of directors are H.R. Harriman, Ray Morris and Prescott S. Bush, part owners in the firm of Brown Brothers Harriman and Company, of which W. Averell Harriman is now American Minister Plenipotentiary to England.
Also a director is H. D. Pennington, Brown Brothers Harriman and Co. manager.
On Jan. 14, 1941, Knight Wooley, another partner in the Harriman company, wrote to State Banking Superintendent William R. White in behalf of Harriman, Morris, Bush and Pennington:

"Should the United States enter the war, they fell [sic] they might be under some embarrassment because of their connection with the bank, even though we have no financial interest in the Union Banking corporation, nor do we participate in its earnings."
Published by
The Zanesville Signal [Zanesville, OH




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Bush grandfather was director of bank linked to Nazis
by Jonathan D. Salant, Associated Press

Oct. 19, 2003

WASHINGTON — President Bush's grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler's rise to power, government documents show.

Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by the Associated Press.

Fritz Thyssen was an early financial supporter of Hitler, and Thyssen thought Hitler's Nazi party was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence that Bush directly aided that effort. His position with Union Banking never was a political issue for Bush, who was elected to the Senate from Connecticut in 1952.

Reports of Bush's involvement with the seized bank have been circulating on the Internet for years and have been reported by some mainstream media. The newly declassified documents provide additional details about the Union Banking-Thyssen connection.

Trent Duffy, a spokesman for President Bush, declined to comment.

Union Banking was owned by a Dutch bank, Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaardt N.V., which was ''closely affiliated'' with the German conglomerate United Steel Works, according to an Oct. 5, 1942, report from the federal Office of Alien Property Custodian. The Dutch bank and the steel firm were part of the business and financial empire of Thyssen and his brother, Heinrich Thyssen-Bornemisza, the report said.

The 4,000 Union Banking shares owned by the Dutch bank were registered in the names of the seven U.S. directors, according a document signed by Homer Jones, chief of the division of investigation and research of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, a World War II-era agency that no longer exists.

E. Roland Harriman, the bank chairman and brother of former New York Gov. W. Averell Harriman, held 3,991 shares. Bush had one share.

Both Harrimans and Bush were partners in the New York investment firm of Brown Brothers, Harriman and Co., which handled the financial transactions of the bank as well as other financial dealings with several other companies linked to Bank voor Handel that were confiscated by the U.S. government during World War II.

Union Banking was seized by the government in October 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act. No charges were brought against Union Banking's American directors. The federal government was too busy trying to fight the war, said Donald Goldstein, a professor of public and international affairs at the University of Pittsburgh.

Fritz Thyssen broke with the Nazis in 1938 over their persecution of Catholics and Jews, and fled to Switzerland. He later was arrested and spent 1941 to 1945 in a Nazi prison. His brother lived in Switzerland from 1932 to 1947 but continued to operate businesses in Germany.



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FOX NEWS

Documents: Bush's Grandfather Directed Bank Tied to Man Who Funded Hitler

Friday, October 17, 2003

WASHINGTON — President Bush's grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler's rise to power, government documents show.

Prescott Bush (search) was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press.

Fritz Thyssen (search) was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence Bush directly aided that effort. His position with Union Banking never was a political issue for Bush, who was elected to the Senate from Connecticut in 1952.

Reports of Bush's involvement with the seized bank have been circulating on the Internet for years and have been reported by some mainstream media. The newly declassified documents provide additional details about the Union Banking-Thyssen connection.

Trent Duffy, a spokesman for President Bush, declined to comment.

Union Banking was owned by a Dutch bank, Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaardt N.V., which was "closely affiliated" with the German conglomerate United Steel Works, according to an Oct. 5, 1942, report from the federal Office of Alien Property Custodian. The Dutch bank and the steel firm were part of the business and financial empire of Thyssen and his brother, Heinrich Thyssen-Bornemisza, the report said.

The 4,000 Union Banking shares owned by the Dutch bank were registered in the names of the seven U.S. directors, according a document signed by Homer Jones, chief of the division of investigation and research of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, a World War II-era agency that no longer exists.

E. Roland Harriman, the bank chairman and brother of former New York Gov. W. Averell Harriman (search), held 3,991 shares. Bush had one share.

Both Harrimans and Bush were partners in the New York investment firm of Brown Brothers, Harriman and Co., which handled the financial transactions of the bank as well as other financial dealings with several other companies linked to Bank voor Handel that were confiscated by the U.S. government during World War II.

Union Banking was seized by the government in October 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act (search).

No charges were brought against Union Banking's American directors. The federal government was too busy trying to fight the war, said Donald Goldstein, a professor of public and international affairs at the University of Pittsburgh.

"We did not have the resources to do these things," Goldstein said.

Fritz Thyssen broke with the Nazis in 1938 over their persecution of Catholics and Jews, and fled to Switzerland. He later was arrested and spent 1941 to 1945 in a Nazi prison. His brother lived in Switzerland from 1932 to 1947 but continued to operate businesses in Germany.
The new documents were first reported by freelance writer John Buchanan in The New Hampshire Gazette.

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WASHINGTON TIMES OCT 2003

Bush bank tied to Nazi funding

ASSOCIATED PRESS
President Bush's grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler's rise to power, government documents show.
Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by the Associated Press.
Fritz Thyssen was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazi) Mr. Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence that Mr. Bush directly aided that effort. His position with Union Banking never was a political issue for Prescott Bush, who was elected to the Senate from Connecticut in 1952.
Reports of Prescott Bush's involvement with the seized bank have been circulating on the Internet for years and have been reported by some mainstream news media. The newly declassified documents provide additional details about the Union Banking-Thyssen connection.
Trent Duffy, a spokesman for President Bush, declined to comment.
Union Banking was owned by a Dutch bank, Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaardt N.V., which was "closely affiliated" with the German conglomerate United Steel Works, according to an Oct. 5, 1942, report from the federal Office of Alien Property Custodian. The Dutch bank and the steel firm were part of the business and financial empire of Mr. Thyssen and his brother, Heinrich Thyssen-Bornemisza, the report said.
Union Banking was seized by the government in October 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act.


http://www.hbuecker.net/hbuecker/buna

Now that Israel IS-REAL
We can have Revelations.....which scares Christians more than Terror, but also delights them....as it Signals the coming of the LORD.

All we need is War and Rumors of War!
Got THAT

Wall of jeruslaem, Fortress Europe (EU) the wall is a Fence being disputed right Now by the UN

Something more Valuable than Gold.....right Now, could it be OIL?

Kerry & Bush are part of Something i can show You tapes of them admitting the Link at the Frat and both say in the same Video/audio feeds and "Thats all i can say about that"

Vote for either is Revelations, John heinz was also an admitted member.

KETCHUP

God said to Abraham, "If man can turn from Sin and walk with Me man will Prove itself the most beautiful Jewel of My Crown of Creation"

So when Abraham thinks He will have to Kill His Son.....thats pretty scarry...to Him maybe its Revelations worthy Scarry... and GOD Stops it, because Abraham Proves to Love GOD above ALL.

We are to Fight back & abandon Sin and Prevent Revelations and GOD will work Through US to Create "Heaven on earth" and the Really Bad that was gonna happen Shall be Forever Known as a Glorious Anointing of Man as God's Most Precious Creation and We shall gather and Create in Jeruslaem to become the "Thing" worth more than Gold.

This isn't partisan, this Is Our Destiney laid out by the LORD....but We Must act or it will be Lost to EVIL....Our Sins and it shall be like Jesus having to DIE to Nullify Our Sins...it shouldn't of had to happen.....This Shows God that We Love just Like the Lord did for Abraham.

AMEN

[Comrade]

Now where did I put that tinfoil...

[Samildanach]

Too god-damn long post young. I lost interest when you started with the 'stay with me now' bit.

[Technosoul]

Well Young it is clear you put a lot of work and effort into making you post this time. I was not sure if you were aiming at making a religious or politcal statement? But this is clearly something that you personally have interest in and perhaps have found in some subscription ariticles of whatever, but something that many here are know nothing about and cannot relate too.

In short you are bringing some historical data that when Germany was trying to establish it's self after the depression of the 1930s some Western companies did extend a helping hand to the then riseing political movement under Hitler, Henry Ford for example was intesting in the automobile industry of Germany and the Jeeps were adaptations of the Model A. You seem to have found evidence that Bush's grandfarther had some banking interests in the hopes that the new party formulating in Germany would be something positive (and Hilter expressed strong para-religious ideas about the "passion plays" that were like the new Gibson movie which depicted the Jewish people as pushing for the death of Jesus (even Nixon had expressed the same viewpoints in general terms). However that funding was sent before they started attacking England and before we discovered anything out about their concentration camps, and little evidence would support the concept that our western investors supported the ideas that Hitler later put into effect once he was in a role where he could abuse his power and authority.

Many nations that the USA has helped or provided funding for have turned around to bite us, it seems they do not know about the rules "do not bite the hand that feeds you" when it comes to worldly politics.

At least those are the insights I got from other peoples versions of the historical bits you have incooperated into your message, I think?

Technosoul.

[Young]

Harriman & Brown were trading with Germany as late as 1951, the company that listed Prescott as Director... a lot of companies stopped after Pearl or the War declaration....this company didn't and thats why the assets were seized under the trading with the enemy act, then Bush 41 & Baker gave Saddam his weapons & WMD, and apparently set it up so that Dumbya could come along and Go get them, like we had to with germany, because these Men have found ways to profit from war and move unstopped through the world as if it were a chessboard and certain places have good reasons for conquering, but these Men aren't out to protect Us, they leave Our borders wide open to terrorism, because they need Terror to take away your Rights and raise your Gas prices at the pressing of the Rerror button.

[SlySpy]

Originally posted by Young, Whats 90% of Americans got in common? (Voting Block) Christian religion thats what.....

Did you pull that number out of your ass? It's more like 80.

[PatrickHenry]

No need to be rude SlySpy. Here's some facts from Barna Research: http://www.barna.org/FlexPage.aspx?P...pic&TopicID=31

Politics by religion * Born agains are more likely than are non-Christians to be registered to vote (84% to 76%, respectively). (2001) * Among born again adults, 33% said they were Democrats, 40% Republicans, and 14% Independents. (2001) * 71% of Republicans, 51% of Democrats, and 49% of Independents attend a Protestant church. (2001) * 28% of Democrats, 23% of Independents, and 17% of Republicans attend a Catholic church. (2001) * 14% of Republicans are evangelicals, compared to just 6% of Independents and 5% of Democrats. (2001) * 59% of evangelicals and 41% of born agains maintain that when it comes to political issues they are mostly conservative, compared to just 22% of non-Christians. (2001) * Just 4% of evangelicals and 8% of born agains report that they are mostly liberal when it comes to political issues, compared to 15% of non-Christians reporting likewise. (2001)

[Young]

PH - If 10% is All Slyspy found to disagree with me on after reading that Entire Post......I've reached somebody.

[gr8fuldaniel]

That opening post is way too long, covers too many subjects. Its likely to bog down the server.
Why start a three foot topic on "04 Election CRUCIAL - Not Just Partisan",
Especially when you hate BOTH candidates, Young? Dont you think its crucial to get rid of Bush?

[Compugasm]

ya know what I find amazing. Someone actually raising 75mil to get GWB out of office. Geez, all that money, wasted on political agenda. Oh I almost forgot, screw the homeless!

[katar]

Originally posted by Young, http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/38124...46|reuters.html Now kerry is showing His Azz, talking like NO WMD's are cool with Him....He'd of still invaded Iraq

Get it straight. Granting a President authority to use force is NOT the same as voting to invade Iraq. Why can't anyone understand this? The grant of authority was NOT a blank check for Bush to do whatever he wanted. I think someone else was talking out of their azz, and for far too long.



Read the brilliant words of YankeeFan21 from this thread: http://www.volconvo.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2794

That is highly incorrect.

He would've voted for the authority which was necessary to back the inspectors. He would've supported the president having the authority to go to war IF it was a last resort and IF the president built a coalition as he promised.

BUSH is the one who fucked up and lied and took Kerry's vote and the other votes for authorization and went to war.

Read the IWR for yourself.


SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.


(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to


(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and


(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.


(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that


(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and


(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

http://www.hnn.us/articles/1282.html

Clearly this is not a direct "Go To War With Iraq NOW" vote

[m5lange1]

Election 04 is crucial and not just partisan:?????

Hard to believe. Since, in my 5+ decades of life I have NEVER seen issues ignored by both sides with such intensity.

[Liberty Landing]

*sigh* Young, you were clobbered on American Forums when you posted the exact same thread verbatim.

You were told that a few parallels are NOT evidence of some conspiracy. I specifically told you that just because Bush's grandfather did business with a dictator -- as many businessmen did, including the Kennedy family, because they couldn't afford NOT to do business with Germany -- does not mean anything in a day and age where Hitler is dead (and died a year before Bush-43 was born).

I told you that even if everything you posted were true, it STILL would imply no such connection because there is no glue holding these parallels together.

And lastly I told you that if you have legitimate qualms with the war, fine, but you seriously need to do better than conspiracy theories about Hitler and shouting about how Ozzy Osborne doesn't like Bush. Get a life.