UN to monitor USA elections.

[Technosoul]

The newest topic to hit CNN is that some democrats are asking the UN to come here and to monitor our elelections to make sure that all votes are counted and that the republicans are not up to their hanky panky manipulations, so we do not have a repeat of the last election. The UN would repalce the Supreme Court as an overview authority mainly because no one can trust the justice system anymore because of what happened during the last elections.

CNN conducted a poll of it's viewers and 89 percent of the people wanted the UN or some other international group to monitor our USA elections to make sure they are conducted fairly this time.

What do you think about the idea of needing a 3rd party like the UN to monitor he elections, the electric machines with no paper trails, and what not, to see if things are being manipulated or allowed to go with the authority of votes.

Wanted, a bigger Big Brother.

Technosoul.

[Compugasm]

Quit watching so much TV.

[Compugasm]

Dewey Wins!!!!

[giuliano]

i remember seeing scenes where the florida recount in 2000 was subjected to obstructive protests. not by radical students, but people in shirts and ties - eventually id'd as republican party members.

you expect that in indonesia or iran.

[Comrade]

Good job! I already made a thread about this, two days ago.
http://www.volconvo.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2678

[Technosoul]

Originally posted by Comrade, Good job! I already made a thread about this, two days ago. http://www.volconvo.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2678

Comrade. For all we know the CNN staff might have read your post and from it got an idea to do their own story on the same topic.... keep posting and making an influence. Or else CNN is just slower then we are here.

Become radical. (a little pun - Comrade-ical ... get it?) oh well.

Technosoul.

[gr8fuldaniel]

If you are going to start a topic based on a CNN article, shouldnt you offer a link to that article in the opening frame?

1st rule of ettiquette: Supply sources If you’re going to state things as fact I suggest you provide some evidence (online newspapers, etc). I have provided a few examples of some reputable sites in most of the forum headers. Email me to add more if you have one you like.

Our distinguished gentlemen have proven they cannot be trusted with my vote. The UN should have been brought in, in Dec 2000, to prevent an obvious, yet bloodless, coup d etat.

[ImAlwaysRight]

This is but another example of how the Democratic Party is willing to sell out our country's standing and credibility in the world in order to score political points against the opposition party and regain the power they've lost in the past decade.

There was a time when even the Democrats respected the unwritten rule of politics that "politics ends at the water's edge". Unfortunately, the Democratic party has been so influenced by it's Left Wing fringe (eg. Michael Moore)-Socialist elitists who have genuine disdain for what America has stood for in the past two centuries - that they really don't see the impropriety, and the destructiveness of this sort of gamesmanship.

The fact is that the Florida situation in 2000 was a close election that became an international embarrassment only because Gore had the bad taste and lack of decorum to contest the results and drag the country through that mess. The only Hanky Panky was his attempts to selectively "recount" Democratic counties.

Their "every vote should count" mantra falls flat when you recall (as few do) that the Democrats insisted on summarily throwing out thousands of absentee Military ballots(likely to be for Bush) from servicemen and women at overseas over the technicality that, because they were shipped in bulk by the military, the envelopes were not individually postmarked. And even at that, never during the "recounts" did Gore surpass Bush. Furthermore, the Recounts after the fact by independent organizations showed that Gore still would not have won. Beaten by the facts, they did what those demagogues always do: they played the race card.

It's bad enough that they have created the image around the world that our Representative Republic that has stood strong for over two centuries is somehow illegitimate, but to humiliate us with this pretense that we need the UN to come and oversee our elections as though we're some third world banana republic demonstrates just how irresponsible the Democratic party has become. They are a Party run by ex-hippies to whom mocking America is fashionable and "patriotism" is a bad word. They are a party of children to whom getting their way(Beating Bush) is all that matters and lack the maturity to reflect upon the consequences of their actions(unfairly Deligitimizing the American system in the eyes of the world).

The reality is that the UN will not oversee squat. We are perfectly capable of monitoring our own elections and the UN will have nothing to say about. If, God forbid, there is a Florida-like repeat this time, does anyone really want to have some UN representative from Zimbabwe deciding who becomes president of the US? They will be there for purely symbolic reasons - and it is a symbolism that only serves to corrode American legitimacy in the eyes of the world.

I'm not so unsure that that's not the Democrat's intention.

[gr8fuldaniel]

What I am saying is : The next time armed men stand between a black man and the voting booth, those armed men should be shot or hung after a fair trial. The blacks have a whole vote and Bush should have demanded that the voting rolls be un scrubbed. GWBush should be given a fair trial and then executed if found guilty of disenfranchising the black vote in Florida. It it treason. He swore to uphold the constitution at all times, yet has done nothing but undermine it since he overthrew our government in 2000. He is a God Damn Pirate.

[m5lange1]

People find the damndest things to worry about and attack. Even when there are SERIOUS issues at stake.

WHO is watching our elections? WHO cares?

Did Bush skip out on some duty 30 years ago?

Which Vets are lying and why would they about Vietnam?

Did bush do some Coke?

Who wants to marry who?

A sad sad comentary that with terrorist threats of mass destruction, being in a war with no end in sight, the largest deficet in history, the jobless rate increasing rapidly......

How does this kind of crap ever even make the news, let alone become part of the political battle?

Are both the left and right so bankrupt in their ability to address the real issues that this has become the battleground?
Sad, man. Real sad.

[bishop]

This is but another example of how the Democratic Party is willing to sell out our country's standing and credibility in the world in order to score political points against the opposition party and regain the power they've lost in the past decade.

are you serious?!?

bush approved this.. and last time i checked, bush was calling himself a republican! one thing to summarily hate democrats, another to not have your facts straight.

[m5lange1]

Yea I agree Bishop. The whole "right wingers" jumping on something that came from the White House and acting like it was a Dem move has me scratching my head a bit too.

At least the right is finally jumping on 'what was done' rather than 'who did it'.

Edit:
LOL maybe they will change their minds when it finally dawns on them.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight, The reality is that the UN will not oversee squat. We are perfectly capable of monitoring our own elections.

Then why werent any charges brought for the several frauds of 2000. Why was Kathryn Harris promoted to Congress even though she is a felon? You might want to change your name, its not very accurate.

[gr8fuldaniel]

57,000 acts of fraud committed by Kathryn Harris.... Should be a penalty of 1 year prison for each crime. Not in some freakin country club either.
Heres a flash presentation of Kathryn in action .....Blumrich, Allow about 90 seconds to load with modem

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, 57,000 acts of fraud committed by Kathryn Harris.... Should be a penalty of 1 year prison for each crime. Not in some freakin country club either. Heres a flash presentation of Kathryn in action .....Blumrich, Allow about 90 seconds to load with modem

My biggest problem with all this is, with MILLIONS ofpeople out there who despise Bush, why aren't there more news sources covering this, and why the hell aren't heads rolling??

[gr8fuldaniel]

It took an expatriot to bring it to light to start with...Greg Palast, investigative reporter with BBC.

THE GREAT FLORIDA EX-CON GAME HOW THE 'FELON' VOTER-PURGE WAS ITSELF FELONIOUS Harper's Magazine Friday Mar 1, 2002 In November the U.S. media, lost in patriotic reverie, dressed up the Florida recount as a victory for President Bush. But however one reads the ballots, Bush's win would certainly have been jeopardized had not some Floridians been barred from casting ballots at all. Between May 1999 and Election Day 2000, two Florida secretaries of state - Sandra Mortham and Katherine Harris, both protégées of Governor Jeb Bush- ordered 57,700 "ex-felons," who are prohibited from voting by state law, to be removed from voter rolls. (In the thirty-five states where former felons can vote, roughly 90 percent vote Democratic.) A portion of the list, which was compiled for Florida by DBT Online, can be seen for the first time here; DBT, a company now owned by ChoicePoint of Atlanta, was paid $4.3 million for its work, replacing a firm that charged $5,700 per year for the same service. If the hope was that DBT would enable Florida to exclude more voters, then the state appears to have spent its money wisely.

Jeb used the same fraudulent scrubbed voter rolls for his own reelection LINK

Fast-forward two years. There's another close race in Florida. This time, younger brother Jeb is fighting to fend off a challenge from Bill McBride for the governor's race. The Nov. 5 face-off could again come down to thousands, if not hundreds, of votes. And even though the list has been widely condemned -- the company that created it admits probable errors -- the same voter scrub list, with more than 94,000 names on it, is still in operation in Florida. Moreover, DBT Online, which generated the disastrously flawed list, reports that if it followed strict criteria to eliminate those errors, roughly 3,000 names would remain -- and a whopping 91,000 people would have their voting rights restored.

Originally posted by Scribbler1, My biggest problem with all this is, with MILLIONS ofpeople out there who despise Bush, why aren't there more news sources covering this, and why the hell aren't heads rolling??

Only answer to that is , they (the media) are accomplices to the felonies. It went largely unreported, because the spineless Dems, wouldnt challenge them. Which makes them suspect as well.

[ImAlwaysRight]

are you serious?!? bush approved this.. and last time i checked, bush was calling himself a republican! one thing to summarily hate democrats, another to not have your facts straight.

I'm quite serious. Do you think that Bush woke up one day and decided that having the UN monitor our election would be a great idea? Of course not. If you've been paying attention, you would know that this goofy idea was concocted by the democrats(no doubt years ago) and floated a couple of months ago by a group of democratic congressmen. Since it deals with the UN, the "invitation" had to come from the State Department - so the Democrats asked Powell to issue the invitation to the UN.

The democrats had good reason to believe that Bush would object to this foolishnes and refuse. A fight over this issue would ensue, which would give the democrats a pretense for dragging the 2000 elections back into this campaign. This would afford the democrats many opportunities to "remind" us about how Bush "stole the election" and Bush would be accused of not wanting "fair elections".

Furthermore, a protracted battle in the campaign would only play into the false perception around the world that the US political system is corrupt and that Bush, in particular, has something to hide. It would even be percieved as a Bush vs. the UN battle, which he doesn't want.

But Bush saw the writing on the wall and realized that he was being rope-a-doped into a fight that he had little to gain by and much to lose. So he did what they asked, which was just the opposite of what the Democrats wanted him to do. He called their bluff.

You see, I do have my facts straight. It's just that the political dynamics of what is going on is not as simplistic as you have made it in your own mind.

[bishop]

at the end of the day, your facts are not facts - they're analysis and opinion.

the FACT is that BUSH made the decision all by his little ol' self.

with the FACT that these electronic voting machines don't work, we need all the help we can get. at least this way, when the shit hits the fan, we can be sure that nobody (republican or democrat) plays games with our election process.

[Technosoul]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, If you are going to start a topic based on a CNN article, shouldnt you offer a link to that article in the opening frame? 1st rule of ettiquette: Supply sources If you’re going to state things as fact I suggest you provide some evidence (online newspapers, etc). I have provided a few examples of some reputable sites in most of the forum headers. Email me to add more if you have one you like. Our distinguished gentlemen have proven they cannot be trusted with my vote. The UN should have been brought in, in Dec 2000, to prevent an obvious, yet bloodless, coup d etat.

I was doing a news report about what I saw on a few different CNN hosted programs and so I was the source of that news opinion and thusly responsible for all it's contents. And I posted my nickname as the source of my own news story about the news on CNN.

No doubt the story is being written about in most newspapers and whatnot as they all mostly feed of the same wire.

Sorry about the missunderstanding, however I assumed that by noteing CNN as the source from which I got the story that anyone could find the CNN webpage and with a fairly easy search find the reports they made about it.

Those are all my excuses - good enough?

Technosoul.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Not really. Its my job to research my posts, not yours too, so you have more time to rattle off new topics at a mile a minute.

And I posted my nickname as the source of my own news story about the news on CNN.

I dont recognize your nickname as a reliable resource, got a link for that?