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Samildanach · Aug 9, 2004, 12:35 pm

I was just thinking about this and though I know it will probably never happen, Saddam is a dead man walking, I was just wondering what would happen if Iraq doesn't convict Saddam of war crimes or there is a fuck up in the trial and he walks away scot free.
Million to one and probably not worth talking about but I have a funny feeling for some reason.
How could it possibly serve the American administrations purpose to have Saddam stay alive and well and/or free or escaped in Iraq?

gr8fuldaniel · Aug 9, 2004, 05:21 pm

I am still not convinced they dont have one of Saddams doubles. His wife wont go visit, denies it is him. If it really were him and his days were numbered, wouldnt she want to support him?

Evil Baby · Aug 9, 2004, 05:25 pm

If it really wasn't him and he really was free wouldn't Saddam want to leak a video or a tape recording to make the U.S. look like one giant ass. However maybe he is just waiting till election day to make it really count.

or you could be right and it could just be a double.

Technosoul · Aug 9, 2004, 06:10 pm

The Bush people were hopeing he would not have been captured alive, now they are in a mess because most of the things he is charged with originated from the same source that told Bush he had a nuclear probgam and other weapons that are in violation of UN resolutions.

Also they are trying him under the old court laws that were in effect when Saddam was in power and according to those laws the President (who was Saddam) has immunity from being taken to court. So right off the bat the Judge is violating the same law that he is using to rule on the case pending. (which case could not be pending inside the country of Iraq under their laws if the Judge followed the letter of that law).

The messy part is that Saddam could start talking about his deals with Rumsfield and Buch Sr. (others from USA and England). Needless to say that will not be allowed until after we hold our elections.

So the most predictable thing to happen (if the Bush people want to save face) is that Saddam will die in prison before the trial starts, and some American or English doctor will record the death as the result of natual causes due to some illness he is suffering from - cancer or something. If you start to hear news reports that he is being treated by military doctors for some terminal illness then you can raise the percentages that this prediction will come true.

By "prediction" I am speaking of an educated guess, not something phychic.

Whatcha say?
Technosoul.

Compugasm · Aug 9, 2004, 07:43 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Technosoul,
Saddam will die in prison before the trial starts

Good. Save the taxpayers the cost of repeals, special needs, special guards, coloring books, etc...

Bigkhan · Aug 9, 2004, 09:41 pm

He does have a prostate infection that he is refusing treatment for. I had heard that about a week or so ago.

Vecsus · Aug 9, 2004, 09:43 pm

the French have the most to fear if saddam starts spilling the beans.

It's really him and not a double...trust me. And he will stand trial. He will be convicted. Not sure if they'll execute him or not. A lot depends on the image they decide they want to send out to the world.

Scribbler1 · Aug 9, 2004, 10:33 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Evil Baby,
If it really wasn't him and he really was free wouldn't Saddam want to leak a video or a tape recording to make the U.S. look like one giant ass. However maybe he is just waiting till election day to make it really count.

If memory serves, Hussein is reportedly being treated well, so I don't see any tapes in the making. The only thing he can do is make a fool of himself in court, ala Slobodan Milosevic, or Colin Ferguson.

Evil Baby · Aug 9, 2004, 10:57 pm

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Originally posted by Scribbler1,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Scribbler1,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Evil Baby,
If it really wasn't him and he really was free wouldn't Saddam want to leak a video or a tape recording to make the U.S. look like one giant ass. However maybe he is just waiting till election day to make it really count.

If memory serves, Hussein is reportedly being treated well, so I don't see any tapes in the making. The only thing he can do is make a fool of himself in court, ala Slobodan Milosevic, or Colin Ferguson.[/b][/quote]

What I meant was that if the Saddam the U.S. has in costody is a double then the real Saddam is still runing around Iraq and it would only make sense to me if that was the case the reas Saddam would leak video to prove the U.S. wrong.

rmnunez · Aug 9, 2004, 11:37 pm

How long does it take for prostrate cancer to kill a man?

Dieval · Aug 10, 2004, 12:16 am

Quote:

Originally posted by Technosoul,
The Bush people were hopeing he would not have been captured alive, now they are in a mess because most of the things he is charged with originated from the same source that told Bush he had a nuclear probgam and other weapons that are in violation of UN resolutions.

I guess you missed the part the part about Saddam having an active nuclear program...

Quote:

Iraq Survey Chief Duelfer: Saddam Was Developing Nukes

Saddam Hussein had an active nuclear weapons development program at the time of the U.S. invasion in March 2003, chief U.S. weapons inspector Charles Duelfer has told Congress.

Iraq Survey Chief Duelfer: Saddam Was Developing Nukes

bishop · Aug 10, 2004, 12:33 am

riiiight...

i always thought you needed a nuclear reactor to develop nuclear weapons.

Dieval · Aug 10, 2004, 01:14 am

Quote:

Originally posted by bishop,
riiiight...

i always thought you needed a nuclear reactor to develop nuclear weapons.

How Nuclear Bombs Work

Quote:

To build an atomic bomb, you need:
A source of fissionable or fusionable fuel

A triggering device

A way to allow the majority of fuel to fission or fuse before the explosion occurs (otherwise the bomb will fizzle out)

giuliano · Aug 10, 2004, 06:52 am

Quote:

Originally posted by Technosoul,
The messy part is that Saddam could start talking about his deals with Rumsfield and Buch Sr. (others from USA and England). Needless to say that will not be allowed until after we hold our elections.

saddam already detailed that cooperation in his submission to the UN Security Council to disclose his WMD status. you may recall that the US unilaterally seized the document and censored those bits out.

they will do the same for his trial. the US military are in control of the judicial proceedings and rest assured saddam's full testimony will not see the light of day.

we will not find about the exact nature of US support for his WMD program - too embarassing.

for the same reason above - that the US actually have custody of saddam - NOT iraq - any finding of Not Guilty will result in him being retained in US custody - where he will eventually be found guilty. there is no chance he will be released.

welcome to the New World Order :)

Technosoul · Aug 10, 2004, 10:21 am

Quote:

Originally posted by Scribbler1,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Scribbler1,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Evil Baby,
If it really wasn't him and he really was free wouldn't Saddam want to leak a video or a tape recording to make the U.S. look like one giant ass. However maybe he is just waiting till election day to make it really count.

If memory serves, Hussein is reportedly being treated well, so I don't see any tapes in the making. The only thing he can do is make a fool of himself in court, ala Slobodan Milosevic, or Colin Ferguson.[/b][/quote]

I think you guys got things mixed up, it is Bin Laden who is sneaking tapes out to the news media from his cave hideout - not Saddam. You are trying to paint Saddam as looking like and as being the same as Laden, which is somewhat of a false impression to make.

Technosoul.

Samildanach · Aug 10, 2004, 10:44 am

I don't know about that. To be viewed as a legitimate trial in the worlds eyes. He will have to be handed over to Iraq with no interference from America. I happen to agree with Techno. Its more than likely he will a) convieniently commit suicide in prison
b) have some kind of unfortunate accident in prison.
c) If its not him resurface before the election just to rub peoples noses in it.

bishop · Aug 10, 2004, 03:30 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Dieval,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dieval,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-bishop,
riiiight...

i always thought you needed a nuclear reactor to develop nuclear weapons.

How Nuclear Bombs Work

Quote:

To build an atomic bomb, you need:
A source of fissionable or fusionable fuel

A triggering device

A way to allow the majority of fuel to fission or fuse before the explosion occurs (otherwise the bomb will fizzle out)

[/b][/quote]

:)

and saddam had these ingredients?

Dieval · Aug 11, 2004, 11:49 am

Quote:

Originally posted by bishop,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bishop,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Quote:

Originally posted by Dieval,@
<!--QuoteBegin-bishop,

Quote:

riiiight...

i always thought you needed a nuclear reactor to develop nuclear weapons.

How Nuclear Bombs Work

Quote:

To build an atomic bomb, you need:
A source of fissionable or fusionable fuel

A triggering device

A way to allow the majority of fuel to fission or fuse before the explosion occurs (otherwise the bomb will fizzle out)

:)

and saddam had these ingredients?[/b][/quote]
Apparently he was trying to make/acquire them....

prettyredhead · Aug 11, 2004, 05:05 pm

My predicition is.... that he is going to either be found not guilty, or escape before trial with some of his buddies. He can easily escape. Easy. Then we are dead. Or some of us will be. Do you really think there will be no more ramifications from the takeover and ousting? Come on.......
I belive that Bush could be tried for war crimes. For killing innocent people in Iraq, in turn costing us loss of soldiers. He is a war criminal, executing an unjust war. I was PRO war for a long time, but not under false circumstances, only under the premise that Iraq was intending to bomb us, or they alone were responsible for 9/11.
But, we still dont have answers to who alone was responsible. We cannot be lead by a cowboy. Time to smoke Bush out.
Furthermore, we will all be in grave danger if Huessein ever escapes or is let out on a technical error.
Huessein deserves the death penalty, but in Iraq under Iraq law, I am quite sure he wont get it. Bush knew he could not hold Huessein much longer under our laws, so he turned him over to them, which was a grave error. Really, what could we charge Huessein with????? Under American law, he hasnt commited a crime on US soil.

Aug 9, 2004, 12:35 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	I was just thinking about this and though I know it will probably never happen, Saddam is a dead man walking, I was just wondering what would happen if Iraq doesn't convict Saddam of war crimes or there is a fuck up in the trial and he walks away scot free. Million to one and probably not worth talking about but I have a funny feeling for some reason. How could it possibly serve the American administrations purpose to have Saddam stay alive and well and/or free or escaped in Iraq? I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

Aug 9, 2004, 05:21 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
gr8fuldaniel Fire the Liars Location: California Posts: 7,090	I am still not convinced they dont have one of Saddams doubles. His wife wont go visit, denies it is him. If it really were him and his days were numbered, wouldnt she want to support him? ~~ Helpful Linx * Huff Post * WRH * RAW STORY ~~

Aug 9, 2004, 11:37 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	How long does it take for prostrate cancer to kill a man? Et semel emissum volat irrevocabile verbum. Raúl M. Núñez Sheriff

Aug 10, 2004, 12:33 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	riiiight... i always thought you needed a nuclear reactor to develop nuclear weapons. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Aug 10, 2004, 10:44 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	I don't know about that. To be viewed as a legitimate trial in the worlds eyes. He will have to be handed over to Iraq with no interference from America. I happen to agree with Techno. Its more than likely he will a) convieniently commit suicide in prison b) have some kind of unfortunate accident in prison. c) If its not him resurface before the election just to rub peoples noses in it. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

Aug 9, 2004, 05:25 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Evil Baby Igneous Magma Posts: 313	If it really wasn't him and he really was free wouldn't Saddam want to leak a video or a tape recording to make the U.S. look like one giant ass. However maybe he is just waiting till election day to make it really count. or you could be right and it could just be a double.

Aug 9, 2004, 06:10 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	The Bush people were hopeing he would not have been captured alive, now they are in a mess because most of the things he is charged with originated from the same source that told Bush he had a nuclear probgam and other weapons that are in violation of UN resolutions. Also they are trying him under the old court laws that were in effect when Saddam was in power and according to those laws the President (who was Saddam) has immunity from being taken to court. So right off the bat the Judge is violating the same law that he is using to rule on the case pending. (which case could not be pending inside the country of Iraq under their laws if the Judge followed the letter of that law). The messy part is that Saddam could start talking about his deals with Rumsfield and Buch Sr. (others from USA and England). Needless to say that will not be allowed until after we hold our elections. So the most predictable thing to happen (if the Bush people want to save face) is that Saddam will die in prison before the trial starts, and some American or English doctor will record the death as the result of natual causes due to some illness he is suffering from - cancer or something. If you start to hear news reports that he is being treated by military doctors for some terminal illness then you can raise the percentages that this prediction will come true. By "prediction" I am speaking of an educated guess, not something phychic. Whatcha say? Technosoul.

Aug 9, 2004, 09:41 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Bigkhan Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	He does have a prostate infection that he is refusing treatment for. I had heard that about a week or so ago.

Aug 9, 2004, 09:43 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Vecsus Sedimentary Rock Posts: 3	the French have the most to fear if saddam starts spilling the beans. It's really him and not a double...trust me. And he will stand trial. He will be convicted. Not sure if they'll execute him or not. A lot depends on the image they decide they want to send out to the world.

Aug 11, 2004, 05:05 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
prettyredhead Igneous Magma Posts: 336	My predicition is.... that he is going to either be found not guilty, or escape before trial with some of his buddies. He can easily escape. Easy. Then we are dead. Or some of us will be. Do you really think there will be no more ramifications from the takeover and ousting? Come on....... I belive that Bush could be tried for war crimes. For killing innocent people in Iraq, in turn costing us loss of soldiers. He is a war criminal, executing an unjust war. I was PRO war for a long time, but not under false circumstances, only under the premise that Iraq was intending to bomb us, or they alone were responsible for 9/11. But, we still dont have answers to who alone was responsible. We cannot be lead by a cowboy. Time to smoke Bush out. Furthermore, we will all be in grave danger if Huessein ever escapes or is let out on a technical error. Huessein deserves the death penalty, but in Iraq under Iraq law, I am quite sure he wont get it. Bush knew he could not hold Huessein much longer under our laws, so he turned him over to them, which was a grave error. Really, what could we charge Huessein with????? Under American law, he hasnt commited a crime on US soil.