Kerry has the power, why do you defend him so?

[Comrade]

I don't see much of that happening.

The whole "Iraq has no connection to the reform of the Middle East" is what I've been arguing against this whole time. But hey, if there's a large percentage of Americans who can't see it, can't really expect anyone else to.

[Samildanach]

Yes its difficult to see that far ahead. Depends on how you economy and deficit start to look. you have to be able to justify the troop levels over there which are slowly draining your economy. If it gets to a point where you hqave to pull out then Iraq is screwed. International support is needed so America doesn't find itself in an economic mess...ummm sorry, more of an economic mess. Kerry could enlist that support. The rest of the world pretty much has the attitude you made your bed now lie in it....pretty much you didn't listen to us , why the hell should we listen to you. But with a new president installed the world may well be prepared to take a bit more of the burden on to try and give the new guy a bit of a helping hand to clean up the mess.

[Nephilim]

Originally posted by Samildanach, Yes but theres one or two points about bush that can't be called into question. 1. Hes a fundamentalist fanatic...

A epitaph about the President cannot be called into question? That is rich!

personally if we are going to have a fanatic at the helm I'd rather have Osama, at least he knows how to fight a war.

Oh... I see. You construct a straw man to say you would rather have a terrorist as our President. Than vote for Kerry; 10 out of 10 brutal dictators and terrorists the world over can't be wrong.

2. Bush comes across as a bumbling incompetent at the best of times even with his speeches etc all prepared, hence his latest bushism.

I found it amazing that the left likes to focus on mistakes made when speaking by the right, but ignore those made by the left. "A bumbling incompetent"? LMAO! Since he was governor of Texas and became POTUS, if in your eyes that is a bumbling incompetent, what does it make you?

I mean come on how can you get it wrong. all you have to do is read the piece of paper and he can't even do that right.

Shall I quote some of the Democrats mistakes? Have you ever made speeches to a large group of people?

Thats probably why they didn't let him take an active role in the war during his service.

LMAO! Pure straw man and emotional histrionics.

I wouldn't want a guy over me who couldn't get his orders correct.

Like beaching his swift boat on purpose? You do realize that is criminal in and of itself, don't you?

[Nephilim]

Originally posted by Samildanach, Well neither is really good for America but at least Kerry looks/appears semi competent.

To who? You? Not to me. I find Bush to be a very competent man and a great leader.

The only time most people see the president IS when hes making speeches. It doesn't help Americas image internally or internationally when you have some guy who appears to be thinking up ways to attack his own country along with the terrorists. I mean it makes the country into a laughing stock. In politics, like fashion, image is everything and Bush just doesn't have that image.

If defending ourselves makes us a laughing stock to socialists and appeasers you might want to consider why.

Being the POTUS and CIC is NOT about how good one looks.

[Nephilim]

Originally posted by Samildanach, Hell its not just France or China, be realistic, its the rest of the civilised world.

Yes, please do be realistic. It is NOT the "rest of the world", no matter how much you want to believe it is.

Every time there is a new bushism they all kill themselves laughing, hell you must've laughed when someone does something stupid like trips down the steps or falls in a hole. Same difference. I would have to say that for comedy value Bush is up there with the best of them. Maybe he can secure a spot late nite doing standup after he loses the election.

Every time there is a new Goreism the entire world wonders how the left could have ever considered running a madman for President of the US.

IOW, you are using emotional histrionics and not facts.

[Samildanach]

Quote Oh... I see. You construct a straw man to say you would rather have a terrorist as our President. Than vote for Kerry; 10 out of 10 brutal dictators and terrorists the world over can't be wrong.

You do have a terrorist as a president. What else do you call someone who attacks without provocation.

Quote I found it amazing that the left likes to focus on mistakes made when speaking by the right, but ignore those made by the left. "A bumbling incompetent"? LMAO! Since he was governor of Texas and became POTUS, if in your eyes that is a bumbling incompetent, what does it make you?

Hey everyone makes mistakes, we just don't do it with a whole team of speech writers. Its the equivalent of having a team of fifty mechanics going into a race and then crashing the car on the first lap. As for what it makes me. It makes me someone who would not in their worst nightmares want that kind of pressure or fame.

Quote Shall I quote some of the Democrats mistakes? Have you ever made speeches to a large group of people?

Lol..no no need to quote democrat mistakes, I'm already familiar with them reading as much of this forum as I do, and yes I have made speeches to large groups of people, its nerve wracking but I usually get through it without a hitch, and I do my own speech writing.

As for the last point you make its hearsay. None of us knows the true story.

[Nephilim]

Originally posted by Samildanach, Yeah but when you go defending yourselves you usually should pick on the person who was responsible for hitting you in the first place. Bush basically got hit in theface and turned around and bashed the next guy standing in the queue. as for installing democracies, don't make me laugh....Iraq is a long way from being anywhere near stable enough to make that claim, at the moment its more like a state based on anarchy. I might agree with you in five years time when things may have settled down a bit and if you are lucky and I mean really lucky then democracy may well be the end result which would be the happy ending to the bedtime story. However its quite possible that the country will implode well before then with the result being a new dictator or something similar.

"...the next guy standing in the queue"? LMAO! I take it you are a European? NEWSFLASH: This is a war on terror, and any nation that supports harbors or funds it (can you say France?). Lets ignore the fact that Iraq was under a CEASE FIRE that Saddam signed, and was continually breaking those terms. THAT alone is justification for renrewing hostilites in Iraq and removing Saddam. Who cares if they implode or even vote for a new dictator? We removed a viable threat to our national security, a nation that was violating a standing cease fire from the gulf war, a nation that declared war on us time and time again, a nation that supported and funded terror around the globe, etc etc etc.

It would seem to me that a European would understand that in a war, you do not decalre only a segment of the entity you are fighting the enemy and ignore the rest. That would be like England declaring war on Nazi Germany's air force and ignoring the rest of the German army and navy. To win the war on terror, you must eliminate ALL factions of terror organizations.

[m5lange1]

Cool... Quotes within quotes...

Hope this stays clear.

QUOTE (m5lange1,) 1. The "Swift Boat Vets" are just as capable of lying as Kerry's crew. Obviously someone is lying. Exactly. Would it not serve the nation best to find out WHO it is that is lying? To dismiss this because "someone is lying" is absurd.

Considering that I think any major presidential candidate in this country could not be where is is if he did not lie.... so....
To find out WHO is lieing would not be a big deal to america. I am much more interested in what they plan to do abouut taxes, terror, war, crime.
I am responding to the topic. "Why people would defend him so?".
I am defending the Veteran. Giving the Veteran the benifit of the doubt.
(Please tell me you are not one of those "with me or aginst me" conservatives who discredit anyone not in lock step with ALL of your beliefs.)
I am an independant conservative. Giving Veterans the benefit of a "he said...he said" shit throwing contest seems a lot more conservative to me.... oh unless your criteria is the party of the Veteran in Question.

QUOTE  M5 2. If EVEN ONE of Kerry's medals, hell if none of them are legitimate he still served this country in combat and deserves not to have these bozos ragging him on national TV. I would say the same for Dole and McCain and any other combat veteran. Did you say the same thing when MoveON, the millions of $ Soros used in ads, and Michael Moore smeared Bush? Bush also served his nation and is a veteran, or does your argument only apply to COMBAT veterans? If so, what did you say about Clinton the draft dodger?

Part 1 of that question....Yea I did. Peeople here who have read myposts know how my obsession is with poeople driving this country apart by being more for a party than for AQmerica. Michael Moore is a dispicable Vampire who is earning a living trying to make people hate the right. He is a damned discrace. So is Ann Coulter.
Part 2 of that question... Veteran...by definition... means in wartime. My ire does not get raised as much for being in 'non combat assignements. I would be ignoring this whole thing if we were discussing Kerry's home based miliitary record.
Part 3. Clinton the draft dodger has as muh weight as Bush the draf dodger or Cheny (Mr. "I had other priorities) the draft dodger. I made no accusations at any of these rich/powerful flokes who avoided combat/service. I am much more prone to defend one little rich boy who did serve in combat than throw vegitables at the multitudes who did not.

M5 QUOTE Shall we now abandon all respect for our decorated soldiers until the validity of their accomplishments are investigated and we are sure EVERYBODY in that war agrees they deserve them? Or at least which party the belong to? Nearly all of the COMBAT veteransd in the SBVFT ad are highly decorated as well, and this isn't about "just anybodey", it is about a man who wishes to be the President and Commander in Chief. Tell me, if you had been in combat with a person who years later ran for the nations highest office and you knew he was lying about events you participated in simply to garner votes, would you remain silent? I would hope not.

First: These are also Swift Boat vets that are supporting Kerry. It is very obvious that some Swiftboties are lying. As I said before. You have to choose who to believe.
Second: I have heard this crap about "Presidential Candidates" having to give up their rights before. And is it not strange that it was the Dems who screamed about it with Regan and both Bushes and ther Repubs who screamed about it with Clinton, and Kerry. BULLCRAP!!!! They are Americans! I think it is shameful for anyone to say "All americans have the same rights unless......." And that goes for Presidents and presidential candidates and even the damned pollitical Vampires liike Limbaugh keeping his trap shut about the quiestionable aspects of his drug acqusition. AND YES I DID DEFEND HIM ON THAT POINT!!!!
Third: No! I would not remain silent. Now please answer my question honestly....
If you had your life saved by someone under fire who could haved let you drown and years later a bunch of idealouges got together and smeard him on national TV saying he never did it would you defend him? I would hope so.

M5 QUOTE 3. Regarding those medical records (sigh). For the sake of argument I am willing to concede that he flat out refuses to release them. Why? Could it be he is hioding something?

Yes it could be.

It could also be he is ignoring the smear.

It could also be that he is not wanting to start down that long road of .... yes it is my private business but since you brought it up I HAVE to respond...

It could also be he is American as fond of the rights he wants defended as everyone else and is unwilling to colpromise them tol please a crowd that will just grab anothe club to bash him with.

It could also be that someone who has won medals in the service of their country should not have to prove their valor. (I cannot believe I am telling that to a conservative).

It could be that he will NOT be manipulated by cheap shots.

QUOTE M5 It is his right as an american to do so. Yes, it is. You seem to keeop forgetting he is running for President, and the fact that it was HIM that made his medals and combet service an issue. Whether he releases them at this point or not speaks volumes to me, since it was he that raised the issue to begin with.

I already addressed this but here it is again. You cannot really believe I am forgetting who the candidates are. You seem to be missing the point that I believe in rights for ALL americans. THAT is what pissed me off about Clinton. NOT his lack of military history. That ALL americans have the same rights and must abide by the SAME LAWS. If you believe the rights of Americans should not be applied to X....I wonder what (besides a presidential candidate) you are willing to put in that X. And what other rights neeed to be surrendered for X?

QUOTE M5 Did you go ahead and do stuff in High School because people called you Chicken? If so I hope you out grew it. I also do not want anybody in the White House who falls for that crap!!!! And yes it is VERY similar. Neither a president nor a presidential candidate nor Joe Average for that matter should give up their rights evertime some opponent raises a hoard of accusers. How can any american be angry at another for exercising an American freedom. Can we refrain from the histrionics and straw man arguments?

Sorry. I meant it as an example because some did not seem to understand my point about not being cowed into giving up rights because ditractors try to force you too.

Judging from your response it appears I was correct.

M5 QUOTE He should not be manipulated by mudslining If this works.... on Kerry or Bush.... then the opposition sure knows how to make the otherside jump through hoops. Dig up some guys to make accusations and then scream coverup if the opponants don't do the little dog and pony trick. We do not know if this is mudslinging or simple truth. Strange thing you suggest, though, considering the Democrats and liberals have been slining mud at Bush for four years, almost all of which had to proven as unfounded and nothing but innuendo.

First of all mudslining is a time shamed pollitical ploy that talks trash to an opponent in place of touting your own virtues. Truth or not... mudslining is mudslining.
Second of all.... yea the dems do it to and it stinks just as bad. But this post is about what I find is a particularly shameful add (even Bush will not put his name on it.. to his credit) against a veteran's service. Yea he happens to be a Democrat and I know that is what makes the difference to you.

M5 QUOTE Wh the hell is he going to convince??? How about AMERICA? How about the entire world who pays close attention to US politics and Presidential elections?

America is not crying out for this release. Neither is the entire world. Most people are much more interested in the real issues and how it will affect them. All the noise is coming from the Vampires and bombthrowers (no offense) just like you. I would ignore you too.

M5 QUOTE I for one was so appalled by that shameful smear of a veteran did a lot more to push me away from Bush than away from Kerry. But the left's smearing of a var greater number of decorated combat veterans by the left because they are speaking out is OK.... is that what you are saying? How about the shameful smearing of another veteran that has been going on for years now - Bush? If your statement held as much weight as it sounded, those PROVEN lies the left has hurled at Bush all these years would have drieven you so far from the left that you wouldn't even care about this issue, as your mind would have been firmly made up long ago.

First The left is smearing and I agree it sucks. Just as bad and just as hard. This post is not about them...

It is that whole conservative attitude of "You either agree with me on EVERYTHING or you are a lefty" that caused me to leave the republican party. No I did not join the Dems.
In actual definition you MAY be right that as long as they were in service during wartime they may be a Veteran. By connotation a Veteran saw some action. At least that is the definition I am using when I say I will go to bat for a Vet. Bush never saw combat so, to me he is not a Vet.
I am not "bashing " him because he did not. Simply responding to why I would not go out of my way to defend his record. See the difference? Or do you still just see left and right?

M5 QUOTE A lot of us really are tired of the dirty politics. I have been tired of them for decades, but in this instance the only thing the right has done that might be considered dirty politics is this, if it proves to be false for politics and nothing else. Whereas the left wing vampires (LMAO) have been spewing lies and hate speech at Bush for a long time now. I can provide quote after quote after quote from the Democrats that are pure lies and innuendo anbd hate speech against Bush, can you do the opposite?

Sure... and I will actually wast the time to quote the DAILY bashing from
Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, Regan, Ghallager, if you want to do a quote for quote pissing contest.
Sad thing is... their counterparts (where you would get your quotes)
I would concede are just as Vampiric as the pale corpses mentioned above.
You just hear your propagandists as bearers of light and the other propagandists as evil bringers of darkness.
It is why you jump like a hungy fly on the potato salad when you have a chance to believe something against Kerry.
Edited in: By the way the really horrid bashing started on the most investigated man in history. President Clinton. When I have gotten some of my lib friends deep in their cups they have actually admitted that their Bush bashing has a lot more to to with revenge for Clinton bashing than anything Bush ever did.

M5 QUOTE This whole attack it too transparent. He was a combat veteran. Even for a short time and there is NO ONE who is not suck like glue to the right does not know that if Bush were the medal winner you guys would be screaming about those terrible dems trying to smear him. ROFLMAO! Where have you been for the last four years? Lets see: "Bush was AWOL", Bush was a deserter", Bush knew about the 9-11 attacks before hand", "Bush lied us into a war"; all these are out and out lies merely to smear Bush.

Once again, and very sadly, you make this huge assumption that someone who does not agree with you on Kerry has to be a Bush basher.
Yes Bush has been bashed by the left. I am just as appalled by F9/11. That is not whatt Mr. V. challenged here.

Some of us see right and wrong not right and left.

M5 QUOTE (And I do not doubt that they would be there smearing him and I would be just as disgusted with them)!!!! Somehow, I don't believe you.

I have a feeling you do not believe much until Rush Limbaugh tells you it is ok.

And NO! You may not see my medical records!!!!

[Nephilim]

PLEASE learn to use the quote function.

You do have a terrorist as a president.

LIE!

What else do you call someone who attacks without provocation.

LIE!

Hey everyone makes mistakes, we just don't do it with a whole team of speech writers. Its the equivalent of having a team of fifty mechanics going into a race and then crashing the car on the first lap. As for what it makes me. It makes me someone who would not in their worst nightmares want that kind of pressure or fame.

It has been said that no one sane would want that kind of scrutiny. The rest of this statement of yours is histrionics - AGAIN.

Lol..no no need to quote democrat mistakes, I'm already familiar with them reading as much of this forum as I do, and yes I have made speeches to large groups of people, its nerve wracking but I usually get through it without a hitch, and I do my own speech writing.

Nice to hear you are perfect in speaking, too bad you aren't as adept at writing.

As for the last point you make its hearsay. None of us knows the true story.

Untrue. Kerry even admits it, though he does so thinking it makes him look heroic.

[Samildanach]

War on terror...which more or less means a never ending war.
Terrorist organisations don't just lie down. The cell structure pretty much makes them incredibly effective and they have no central command point, chop one head off and another two form.
I'm not a European although I live in Europe and have done for the past few years. As for removing a viable threat to your national security, thats an incredibly poor justification for a blatant oil grab if ever I heard one.
Your last point is completely true, but you cannot fight a terrorist organisation without becoming one. They hold all the cards when it comes to this war. Mobility, anonymity, surprise, they choose the ground they fight on. You have superior weapons but you don't know where to aim them. It is a war you would have to be stupid to even engage in. The only way to defeat these people is to become them.

[Nephilim]

Cool... Quotes within quotes... Hope this stays clear.

Actually, I wanted to thank you for using the quote very well earlier. Thanks.

Considering that I think any major presidential candidate in this country could not be where is is if he did not lie.... so.... To find out WHO is lieing would not be a big deal to america. I am much more interested in what they plan to do abouut taxes, terror, war, crime. I am responding to the topic. "Why people would defend him so?". I am defending the Veteran. Giving the Veteran the benifit of the doubt.

But disregarding the other veterans who say he is lying? Ummm... OK.... kind iof a double standard though.

(Please tell me you are not one of those "with me or aginst me" conservatives who discredit anyone not in lock step with ALL of your beliefs.) I am an independant conservative.

I am an Independant conservative as well. But I hold to being an American over political party.

Giving Veterans the benefit of a "he said...he said" shit throwing contest seems a lot more conservative to me.... oh unless your criteria is the party of the Veteran in Question.

I disagree about the "seems a lot more conservative to me", but agree with the rest.

Part 1 of that question....Yea I did. Peeople here who have read myposts know how my obsession is with poeople driving this country apart by being more for a party than for AQmerica. Michael Moore is a dispicable Vampire who is earning a living trying to make people hate the right. He is a damned discrace.

Agreed.

So is Ann Coulter.

Disagree. Can you back this up?

Part 2 of that question... Veteran...by definition... means in wartime.

INCORRECT!

Part 3. Clinton the draft dodger has as muh weight as Bush the draf dodger or Cheny (Mr. "I had other priorities) the draft dodger. I made no accusations at any of these rich/powerful flokes who avoided combat/service. I am much more prone to defend one little rich boy who did serve in combat than throw vegitables at the multitudes who did not.

LMAO! First, Bush was not a draft dodger, but somehow your mud slinging and smearing of this particular veteran does not surprise me.
"... throw vegetables at those who did not".... unless they contradict Kerry? Is that your position?

First: These are also Swift Boat vets that are supporting Kerry. It is very obvious that some Swiftboties are lying. As I said before. You have to choose who to believe.

NO. We have to ge5t to the bottom of this, not just dismiss it.

Second: I have heard this crap about "Presidential Candidates" having to give up their rights before. And is it not strange that it was the Dems who screamed about it with Regan and both Bushes and ther Repubs who screamed about it with Clinton, and Kerry. BULLCRAP!!!! They are Americans! I think it is shameful for anyone to say "All americans have the same rights unless......." And that goes for Presidents and presidential candidates and even the damned pollitical Vampires liike Limbaugh keeping his trap shut about the quiestionable aspects of his drug acqusition. AND YES I DID DEFEND HIM ON THAT POINT!!!!

What are you trying to say here... if anything?

Third: No! I would not remain silent. Now please answer my question honestly.... If you had your life saved by someone under fire who could haved let you drown and years later a bunch of idealouges got together and smeard him on national TV saying he never did it would you defend him? I would hope so.

Good for you! I would absolutely defend him against any and everything. But that just makes the SBVFT's point all the better, does it not?

Oh... crap. I must run (unexpectedly), I will finish my reply later today.

[Nephilim]

Sorry for the interruption....

To continue:

Yes it could be. It could also be he is ignoring the smear. It could also be that he is not wanting to start down that long road of .... yes it is my private business but since you brought it up I HAVE to respond... It could also be he is American as fond of the rights he wants defended as everyone else and is unwilling to colpromise them tol please a crowd that will just grab anothe club to bash him with. It could also be that someone who has won medals in the service of their country should not have to prove their valor. (I cannot believe I am telling that to a conservative). It could be that he will NOT be manipulated by cheap shots.

You have once again ignored the fact that HE raised the issue and made it his main campaign centerpiece.

I already addressed this but here it is again. You cannot really believe I am forgetting who the candidates are. You seem to be missing the point that I believe in rights for ALL americans. THAT is what pissed me off about Clinton. NOT his lack of military history. That ALL americans have the same rights and must abide by the SAME LAWS. If you believe the rights of Americans should not be applied to X....I wonder what (besides a presidential candidate) you are willing to put in that X. And what other rights neeed to be surrendered for X?

More histrionics? I hold EVERYONE to the samne standards. When Bush failed to release some of his records, I was PO'd. He DID release all of them, IN REPSONSE TO NOTHING HE BROUGHT UP BUT ONLY TO DEFEND HIMSELF AGAINST ATTACKS. To bad youy cannot hold Kerry to an even lesser standard than you do Bush. I see it IS about which party to you.

Sorry. I meant it as an example because some did not seem to understand my point about not being cowed into giving up rights because ditractors try to force you too. Judging from your response it appears I was correct.

You apologize and than insult, insinuating you were correct for what you apologized for? So much for me thinking you were going to be a resonable debate opponent.

First of all mudslining is a time shamed pollitical ploy that talks trash to an opponent in place of touting your own virtues. Truth or not... mudslining is mudslining. Second of all.... yea the dems do it to and it stinks just as bad. But this post is about what I find is a particularly shameful add (even Bush will not put his name on it.. to his credit) against a veteran's service. Yea he happens to be a Democrat and I know that is what makes the difference to you.

LMAO! Practicing your stand-up? I already said I hold ALL to the same standard, you should try it.

America is not crying out for this release. Neither is the entire world. Most people are much more interested in the real issues and how it will affect them. All the noise is coming from the Vampires and bombthrowers (no offense) just like you.

This in response to your questionof who is he going to CONVINCE, not who is crying out for the release of his records. Try to keep up.

I would ignore you too.

It seems you have failed at that as well.

First The left is smearing and I agree it sucks. Just as bad and just as hard. This post is not about them...

Quick, lets stop the SBVFT from speaking out and call it a smear campaign even though we don't know it is.... right?

It is that whole conservative attitude of "You either agree with me on EVERYTHING or you are a lefty" that caused me to leave the republican party. No I did not join the Dems. In actual definition you MAY be right that as long as they were in service during wartime they may be a Veteran. By connotation a Veteran saw some action. At least that is the definition I am using when I say I will go to bat for a Vet. Bush never saw combat so, to me he is not a Vet. I am not "bashing " him because he did not. Simply responding to why I would not go out of my way to defend his record. See the difference? Or do you still just see left and right?

Gee... I didn't realize I had to come here prepared to give basic instruction on simple definitions.

Veteran
n. A person who has served in the armed forces
adj. Of or relating to former members of the armed forces.
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

I have a feeling you do not believe much until Rush Limbaugh tells you it is ok.

I do NOT listen to Rush. I have no use for him.

[m5lange1]

I may save you some time here.
(hope our posts do not cross)

When I see that you believe Moore is a Vampire and Coulter is not...

When you insist I am a Bush basher because I am defending Kerry...

When you do not understand that this is a post ASKING for the defence of Kerry so there is no OBLIGATION to defend anyone else but you accuse me of NOT defending your boy...

When you calim to be independant and I see NO conscessions to the other side...

When you have to ask me what I am saying when I say ALL americans deserve the same rights...

(Actually the whole Ann Colulter thing was enough.... To me that is EXACTLY as intelligent as someone saying Ann Coulter is a Vampire but asking me to back it up about Al Frankin.)

I have to conclude that I am arguing with a idaology based tape recorder. Trained output only. I will skip your response.

You can call me chicken if you like but I prefer to put time in with people who I actually believe have some flexibilty in their reasoning.

[Nephilim]

Originally posted by m5lange1, I may save you some time here. (hope our posts do not cross) When I see that you believe Moore is a Vampire and Coulter is not... When you insist I am a Bush basher because I am defending Kerry... When you do not understand that this is a post ASKING for the defence of Kerry so there is no OBLIGATION to defend anyone else but you accuse me of NOT defending your boy... When you calim to be indipendant and I see NO conscessions to the other side... When you have to ask me what I am saying when I say ALL americans deserve the same rights... (Actually the whole Ann Colulter thing was enough.... To me that is EXACTLY as intelligent as someone saying Ann Coulter is a Vampire but asking me to back it up about Al Frankin.) I have to conclude that I am arguing with a idaology based tape recorder. Trained output only. I will skip your response. You can call me chicken if you like but I prefer to put time in with people who I actually believe have some flexibilty in their reasoning.

Running away because I happen to like Ann Coulter? I will admit she uses harsh and inflamatory phrases, but she backs herself up with FACTS. Something Franken does not do.

A tape recorder? LOL! I have responded to everything you put forth and answered your questions with honesty. You admit defaet to a mere tape recorder? ROTFLMFAO!

Read back, little one. and see who uses ad hominem in this thread and who doesn't.

Fine. Buh-bye, now.

[DUTroll]

 

Despite Letson's claims to have treated Kerry, he is not listed on any document as having treated Kerry after the 12/2/68 firefight. Offering only an account of dates and places-which is readily available in Kerry's biography and media accounts-Lester has produced nothing to verify his treatment of Kerry. Another Doctor Signed Kerry's Sick Call Sheet. Regarding Dr. Letson's recollection of Mr. Kerry's wound, Michael Meehan, a campaign spokesman, noted that a different person, J. C. Carreon, had signed the "sick call sheet" summarizing treatment of the injury, and asked, "Who is this guy? How do we know that he was the doctor who treated him?"

Dr. Letson has explained this. He was the ONLY Dr. on schedule on that shift. He treated Kerry and the Corpsman J.C. Carreon signed the sick call sheet.

Nice try.....next

[m5lange1]

OOOOOHHHHH Damn! Ya sucked me in.
I hope Kerry is better at resisting this than I am.

Ann Coulter and facts???? That speaks volumes.
The one who has the pat phrase "It's common knowledge" when asked for a source?

The one who said on Hardball that George C. Scott refused the acadamy award because he was mad that "Patton" did well?

The one who said all the prettt girls at the Dem convention were her allies and called all the "libral" women Pie Wagons?

The one who Chris Matthews actually closed an interview whith her saying "Facts mean absolutely nothing to you, do they Ann?".

Nephilim Read back, little one. and see who uses ad hominem in this thread and who doesn't.

Yea. Let's do...

Nephilim So much for me thinking you were going to be a resonable debate opponent.

Nephilim Read back, little one

Nephilim LMAO! Practicing your stand-up?

Nephilim Try to keep up.

Nephilim It seems you have failed at that as well.

Nephilim Gee... I didn't realize I had to come here prepared to give basic instruction on simple definitions.

Nephilikm INCORRECT!

Nephilim What are you trying to say here... if anything?

Nephilim LIE!

Nephilim (different quote from previous) LIE!

Nephilim The rest of this statement of yours is histrionics - AGAIN.

Whew.. I managed to get to the end of the post with Sam and just plain ran out of steam.

Nephilim .......see who uses ad hominem in this thread and who doesn't.

Yea I used a few so that makes me a does, but brother you sure as hell arent the "doesn't".

[m5lange1]

Sorry could not resist this tag....

Nephilim Posted on 08-09-2004 02:49 PM You admit defaet........ ROTFLMFAO!

"OHHHH... Runnin away are ya?"
John Cleese:
In the role of the Black Knight from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"

[bishop]

heh.. defaet's the new way it's spelled mang. where's guiliano with the three finger salute?

[m5lange1]

I sure as hell am not going to criticize anyone's spelling or typing :(

M5