![]() |
|
| The Debate Forums | Blogs | | | Donate | Register (it's free) | Chatroom | Search | Today's Posts | Mark Forums Read |
| ||||||
![]() |
| | Thread Tools |
| | #1 (permalink) | |
| BANNED
Posts: 4,976
| Barney Frank, should be... ...immediately kicked out of Congress, brought up on charges of corruption and since his corruption has out the whole country at risk he should addition be brought up on treason charges, then we should toss him in a max security prison, where he becomes a favor in the showers! Why do I say this? I can already hear the response, this is neo-con GHook and his rightwing attack on a liberal douc%*bag, who even sounds like an a$$hole (OK you might leave off the last part)! Why am I so angry? Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have helped kill America! This scum of the earth, sold America out them. For the very very very very very generous campaign contribution, numnutz did everything he could to protect FM & FM! He did so in a disguise of providing affordable housing for all (a paradox itself)! In reality he did it to get the campaign dollars he needed in order to get elected (and he needed every dollar he could get since he when he talks he sounds like a complete a$$hole). This is also a true testament to how stupid the liberals in MA are. How could a moron like Barney Dumba$$ get elected to anything to anything! His protection of FM & FM for campaign contribution amounts to nothing less than bribery and corruption. It is so devastating that it even amounts to treason! To hear this A$$HOLE take a cheap shot at McCain for doing what he can to help solve the economic crisis makes me so mad. How can a guy like Frank have the ballz to say anything when he is one of the main reasons for the mess. McCain on the other hand tried to prevent FM & FM from getting as large as they became back in I think 2002! Barney Frank has to be glad he is not a politician in Russia or China, because they would have already taken him out in the back alley and shot him! Barney's Rubble - WSJ.com Quote:
| |
| | |
| | #2 (permalink) |
| Liberated thinker Location: New Mexican Alps
Posts: 2,465
| I agree with you GHooks93!!!! Frank and Sen Dodd are two useless hunks of political opportunism. Both have used their positions and influence to let FM and FM fleece the government and probably to line their pockets. Both have helped beat back attempts to reform the open door to bad loans backed by the government. These legislators have helped get us into the financial tangle and certainly blocked attempts at reform. Now they rave about using almost a quarter trillion worth of tax payers dollars to reform the beast they helped create and nurture? They blame the opposition and the President for a lack of action and yet they blocked any attempts at reform repeatedly over the years... Thus we play the fools with the time, and the spirits of the wise sit in the clouds and mock us. |
| | |
| | #3 (permalink) | ||
| BANNED
Posts: 4,976
| Quote:
Quote:
| ||
| | |
| | #4 (permalink) | |
| BANNED
Posts: 4,976
| The D%$che-bag is still not taking credit for the unregulated fannie mae and freddie mac meltdown. This a$$hole lined his pockets to protect a company that has caused the worse economy since the depression. If there is any justice in the US then Frank would be immediately kicked out of Congress and put on trial for corruptions. Made an example of and sent to a max security prison where his butt-hole will get a work-out! How is this man not in jail? At the very least can you MA get a brain vote his a$$ out of Congress? Even you liberals have to be angry! Newsmax.com – Barney Frank: Housing Attacks Racially Motivated Quote:
| |
| | |
| | #5 (permalink) |
| Volcanic Erupter Location: South-Western Virginia
Posts: 3,225
| It would help if you guys understood the real problem. 20 Fannie Mae and Freddie Macs could have failed in an honest market and we would be hurting some, but ok. The problem is not the 6% of morgages that failed, the problem is that banks and Wall Street firms sold lottery tickets (credit swaps) on those morgages and on many companies who held those morgages. To drive revenue, AIG and others essentially sold insurance policies on those morgages to hundreds of different people, so that when 1 morgage failed, they owed the estimated value of the home, in full, to hundreds of different people. And despite the fact that Democrats tried from 2001 on to pass laws to regulate that practice, the republicans blocked those efforts over and over. So blaming the home owner who defaulted on a loan for this mess is like blaming a losing horse for the hundreds of rent payments that gamblers lost on the race and/or blaming the horse for all the subsequent eviction notices. All I see when I look down, something jumpin' on the ground, Scratchin' dirt, cluckin' in the barnyard - Tell me, could that be you? John Kay |
| | |
| | #6 (permalink) | |
| Mehr Licht! Location: New York State
Posts: 581
| Quote:
But no one will ever pay for their mistakes (except the taxpayers and their children and grandchildren.) Economics as a high school course is only required in 17 of the 50 states and there has been precious little effort in the past 25 years to change that. What this means is that there will be very few people who will even understand what hit them becasue of the multi layered complexity of this problem. That makes this issue a breeding ground for politics not solutions. IMO there is only one candidate who gets the economics of it...Ron Paul. He has seen this meltdown coming for years. YouTube - 2 Ron Paul on Glenn Beck 04 01 2008 | |
| | |
| | #7 (permalink) | |
| Esquire | Quote:
Anyway, there is plenty of blame to spread around. Barney Frank certainly isn't the only, or even the primary, place upon where the blame sits. BTW, Warren Buffet agrees with Ibskins - and he just might know a thing or two about the financial markets. "But it wasn't until he met his beautiful wife that he learned using logic and reason isn't enough. You have to be a dick to everyone who doesn't think like you." - South Park on Richard Dawkins | |
| | |
| | #8 (permalink) | |
| BANNED
Posts: 4,976
| Quote:
However, won't Ron Paul completely deregulate stock market allowing for possibly greater corruption. In this case I am thing the uninhabited free market principle might not be so ideal! | |
| | |
| | #9 (permalink) | ||||
| BANNED
Posts: 446
| Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
| ||||
| | |
| | #10 (permalink) |
| Volcanic Erupter Location: South-Western Virginia
Posts: 3,225
| Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - The history of this is obvious. HR 4577 contained multiple appropriations bills and at least one time bomb, HR 5660. It's an example of the stupid games the republicans played, attaching these kind of deregulations on to necessary appropriation bills, so that others have little choice but to vote for them so that you don't have to cut off Treasury, HHS, SCHIP, and legislative appropriations. So, Clinton signs HR 4577, and the Democrats introduce bills trying to get rid of HR 5660 over the years, and are voted down repeatedly by the "fundemental deregulators". Even after, I might add, the Enron mess pointed the potential problem out. Bush even vetoed in 2008. But - BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS HAD RETAKEN CONTROL, they had the ability to get this stuff out of comittee, and ask for an honest vote, so they were able to over-ride the veto. Too little, too late, but not because they did not try over the years. And Sean Hannity, et al, are blaming the homeowners by implying that if we hadn't "relaxed the rules" on minority buyers, we would not be in this mess. Own 'em if they represent your side. All I see when I look down, something jumpin' on the ground, Scratchin' dirt, cluckin' in the barnyard - Tell me, could that be you? John Kay |
| | |
| | #11 (permalink) | |
| Liberated thinker Location: New Mexican Alps
Posts: 2,465
| Come on Max don't start the indirect consequences brouhaha. The Affordable Housing Scam dates only back to the late Clinton Administration. Yes these government subsidized corporations were extablished in late depression days but they didn't start bundling bad loans until much later. This from Wikipedia Quote:
Several Years back (2004) the House held hearings on the ascending scam. There are video clips from the hearings that show some Repubs warning the House and looking for oversight but these same clips show Rep Frank, Waters., Meeks and Davis(among others) saying there was no problem. Meeks even publicly castigates a so called regulator and comments he is "pissed Off" about trying to regulate these two honorable corporations? It turns out that many members of the House(Repub and Democrat) got contributions from Fannie Mae? And many House members had purchased shares in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? Conflict of interest? I'd say so, wouldn't you. I challenge your attempt to pass the blame around? The crash could have been prevented in 2004/2006 when the problem was discussed in our law making body. A sufficient number of thes crooks ducked it and assured us all things were fine. Then the housing slump of 2007 blew the scam wide open. The blame is easily fixed, isn't it? Check out this letter signed by John McCain giving ample warning of what might happen unless congress acted. Notice no Democrat was involved.McCain Letter Demanded 2006 Action on Fannie and Freddie - HUMAN EVENTS Thus we play the fools with the time, and the spirits of the wise sit in the clouds and mock us. Last edited by xyzer; Oct 11, 2008 at 07:47 pm. | |
| | |
| | #12 (permalink) | |
| It's only logical Location: San Diego
Posts: 6,484
| . Quote:
Lke Denny Hastert, Tom DeLay, Duke Cunningham, Larry Craig, Scooter Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, Mark Foley, Rick Renzi, Robert McKee, Scott Muschany, Eric Feltner, etc. etc. etc. Lemme guess... what do all these people have in common? . I don't suffer from insanity... I thoroughly enjoy it | |
| | |
| | #13 (permalink) |
| Volcanic Erupter Location: South-Western Virginia
Posts: 3,225
| Here is another link to find out what is actually behind this mess - McClatchy Washington Bureau | 10/11/2008 | Private sector loans, not Fannie or Freddie, triggered crisis - hope you guys can do something other than just believe every word that comes out of Sean Hannity and John Gibson's mouth. This has more to do with fools like my (sorta) ex-brother in law, who bought something like 3 different houses in a 3 or 4 year period, the last of which was well out of his reasonable affordability range. His answer...in a year my equity will be such that I will be able to borrow enough to cover what I can't afford on my salary. Low income people want stability and a safe place to live, they are relatively safe borrowers. People like my (sorta) ex-brother-in-law, are wanna be aristocrats, who buy more they can afford for the "status" it brings, keep pushing the envelope, and screw things up when they reach just that much too high, trying to move from the middle management neighborhood to the CEO neighborhood. All I see when I look down, something jumpin' on the ground, Scratchin' dirt, cluckin' in the barnyard - Tell me, could that be you? John Kay |
| | |
| | #14 (permalink) |
| Liberated thinker Location: New Mexican Alps
Posts: 2,465
| Sonart ! Why not add Senators Dodd, Reid,and Schumer plus Representatives Meeks,Waters, Davis and Franks to your list. They all resisted investigation and correction of the obvious abuses by FM and FM. Publicly said everything was OK. Just a reminder FannieM and FreddieM made wellover half of all the loans..and Fannies CEO was taken to court for his scam. See above post? Thus we play the fools with the time, and the spirits of the wise sit in the clouds and mock us. |
| | |
| | #15 (permalink) | |
| It's only logical Location: San Diego
Posts: 6,484
| . Quote:
To quote you... "I've rarely read such nonsensical drivel from liberal numbskulls as I read on this thread? The comission found that Palin had not done anything unlawful." . I don't suffer from insanity... I thoroughly enjoy it | |
| | |
| | #16 (permalink) | |
| BANNED
Posts: 446
| Quote:
| |
| | |
| | #17 (permalink) |
| Volcanic Erupter Location: South-Western Virginia
Posts: 3,225
| If you bothered to read the link, perhaps you would have seen this: The act specifically banned regulation of credit default swaps. These unregulated instruments, insurance policies against default on risky investments like mortgage backed securities, necessitated the government bailout of insurer A.I.G.[1] The act it speaks of is HR 5660, part of HR 4577. That created the unregulated credit default swap market. If they are attempting to modify or overturn HR 5660, they are attempting to regulate credit default swaps. So, I did come up with an example. What I didn't do was realize that you would not read or comprehend the post. Which was it? All I see when I look down, something jumpin' on the ground, Scratchin' dirt, cluckin' in the barnyard - Tell me, could that be you? John Kay |
| | |
| | #18 (permalink) | |
| BANNED
Posts: 446
| Quote:
| |
| | |
| | #19 (permalink) | |
| Mehr Licht! Location: New York State
Posts: 581
| Quote:
Credit Default Swaps: The Next Crisis? - TIME "........The CDS market exploded over the past decade to more than $45 trillion in mid-2007, according to the International Swaps and Derivatives Association. This is roughly twice the size of the U.S. stock market (which is valued at about $22 trillion and falling) and far exceeds the $7.1 trillion mortgage market and $4.4 trillion U.S. treasuries market, notes Harvey Miller, senior partner at Weil, Gotshal & Manges." How Credit Default Swaps Became a Timebomb | Newsweek Business | Newsweek.com ".........So much of what's gone wrong with the financial system in the past year can be traced back to credit default swaps, which ballooned into a $62 trillion market before ratcheting down to $55 trillion last week—nearly four times the value of all stocks traded on the New York Stock Exchange." Although credit default swaps don't approach the level of "personal criminality" that Fannie/Freddie does, isn't it clear that sweeping, common sense changes need to be made to regulate these instruments in addition to changes that need to be made in the mortgage bundling market? IMO we need to stop allowing the reselling of obligations, both mortgage and CDSs without careful oversight to insure that proper cash reserves are met to cover losses. In addition there needs to be sweeping changes in regulation of derivatives by the SEC. This isn't a left/right issue any more than bank fraud is. Last edited by maximdewinter; Oct 13, 2008 at 12:09 pm. | |
| | |
| | #20 (permalink) | |
| BANNED
Posts: 4,976
| Barney Frank was protecting his boyfriend! To start this has nothing to do with Barney Frank being a f@g! I could careless if he gets his sh1t pushed in on a daily basis! I would personal vote for a honest and intelligent f@g over a corrupt and dimwitted straightman. That said Frank wa protecitng his boyfriend by selling out the country with his criminal protection of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. What a pick of sh1t! Quote:
| |
| | |
![]() |
| Bookmarks |
| Thread Tools | |
| |