Why won't McCain release his fully military records?

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: bispango his own mouth admitted it one sec ill put up a linkhttp://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/12/12/post_235.html enough or want more

A pathetically dishonest attempt at spin on your part, since your link mentions nothing about Obama being a "drug dealer".

On the other hand, your link does provide some insight into your character:

"Among his concerns about Obama as the nominee, he said in an interview here today, is that his background is so relatively unknown and that the Republicans would do their best to unearth negative aspects of it, or concoct mistruths about it."

[barts]

Quote by: Zeebadee A pathetically dishonest attempt at spin on your part, since your link mentions nothing about Obama being a "drug dealer".

Zeebadee, are you member of the Rabid Right, too? Why are you repeating a Rabid Right lie about Obama being a drug dealer. Give us a reputable source for the comment or retract it, the honorable thing to do.

For reference, please read "'Obama Drug Dealer' Aide To Clinton Quits".

[Nono]

Cool down, barts. You've misinterpreted Zee's post.
bispango parroted the rightwing slur about Obama being a drugdealer (or is it drugdealer AND child-rapist -- I keep forgetting LOL). And the source bispango advanced for his claim didn't even mention dealing.

So give Zee a break.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Nono Cool down, barts. You've misinterpreted Zee's post. bispango parroted the rightwing slur about Obama being a drugdealer (or is it drugdealer AND child-rapist -- I keep forgetting LOL). And the source bispango advanced for his claim didn't even mention dealing. So give Zee a break.

RIGHTWING SLUR? Nono, you sir are terribly misinformed. The attempt to claim Obama was a drug dealer originated not with some right winger, but with Hillary Clinton's Campaign.

Clinton Apologizes to Obama for Drug Comment By Katharine Q. Seelye Update | 4:12 p.m. William Shaheen, the Clinton aide who raised questions about Barack Obama’s drug use during an interview with The Washington Post this week, is stepping down from the campaign. “I have made the personal decision that I will step down as the co-chair of the Hillary for President campaign,” Mr. Shaheen.

Clinton Apologizes to Obama for Drug Comment - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com

Nice try though, but it was a LEFTWING SLUR, not a RIGHTWING SLUR.

Facts, are your friend.

[barts]

Quote by: Nono Cool down, barts. You've misinterpreted Zee's post. bispango parroted the rightwing slur about Obama being a drugdealer (or is it drugdealer AND child-rapist -- I keep forgetting LOL). And the source bispango advanced for his claim didn't even mention dealing. So give Zee a break.

Hold me back, Nono, hold me back.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: barts Hold me back, Nono, hold me back.

From going after Clinton's folks for calling an Obama a drug dealer?

[barts]

So folks, how about some truth about John "I approve this lie" McCain. War hero? My ass!

"Hero" John McCain as Phony and Collaborator: What Really Happened When He Was a POW?

John McCain: War Hero or North Vietnam's Go-To Collaborator?

Release your military records, McCain!

And guys, stop being so f******g deferential to this liar. He's no hero. He's demonstrated nothing that would warrant any deference to him as a war hero, particularly in this campaign.

[grandpa]

Quote by: barts So folks, how about some truth about John "I approve this lie" McCain. War hero?

Again, none of that matters to me much. I think your focus is largely in the wrong place.

Grandpa h.

[Apologist]

Quote by: barts When they were running for President, both John Kerry and George Bush released their full military records, not just a few selected pages. Why won't John McCain release all of his military records? He must be hiding something or he'd release them. A major part of McCain's argument for being ready to be Commander in Chief is his military experience. Are American voters supposed to just take his word about his military career? They shouldn't because we know that McCain's campaign has already lied about McCain's record. What is McCain, the war hero, afraid of?

hehe. I'm sure the Obama's cloudy history doesn't concern you at all, does it?

[barts]

Quote by: grandpa Again, none of that matters to me much. I think your focus is largely in the wrong place. Grandpa h.

I know you do, Grandpa h. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this topic.

[Apologist]

Quote by: barts So folks, how about some truth about John "I approve this lie" McCain. War hero? My ass! "Hero" John McCain as Phony and Collaborator: What Really Happened When He Was a POW? John McCain: War Hero or North Vietnam's Go-To Collaborator? Release your military records, McCain! And guys, stop being so f******g deferential to this liar. He's no hero. He's demonstrated nothing that would warrant any deference to him as a war hero, particularly in this campaign.

Why do you keep quoting a socialists website? I'm all for criticism, but you calling McCain and fraud because of some website that ANYONE CAN WRITE labels you a.........(better watch my mouth).

[barts]

Quote by: Apologist hehe. I'm sure the Obama's cloudy history doesn't concern you at all, does it?

Obama's history--cloudy or otherwise--has nothing to do with McCain's refusal to release his military records. Each candidate needs to be evaluated on his or her own records and merits.

The only plausible reason McCain's not releasing his military records is because they reveal something he does not want the public to know, something, therefore, we should know.

[Apologist]

Quote by: barts Obama's history--cloudy or otherwise--has nothing to do with McCain's refusal to release his military records. Each candidate needs to be evaluated on his or her own records and merits. The only plausible reason McCain's not releasing his military records is because they reveal something he does not want the public to know, something, therefore, we should know.

Link me the website where you started the thread discussing Obama's history in question>

[barts]

Quote by: Apologist Why do you keep quoting a socialists website? I'm all for criticism, but you calling McCain and fraud because of some website that ANYONE CAN WRITE labels you a.........(better watch my mouth).

McCain can put to rest any criticism by releasing his full military records, as John Kerry did, for example. It appears you support McCain, it would seem that you would be confident that there is nothing in McCain's records that would be of concern. So what's the problem?

McCain is selling himself as a war hero. If he was, fine. If he wasn't, then we know he can't be trusted, that the liar he's shown himself to be in this campaign is the true John McCain. Either way, American voters are better able to make a decision.

[Apologist]

Quote by: barts McCain can put to rest any criticism by releasing his full military records, as John Kerry did, for example. It appears you support McCain, it would seem that you would be confident that there is nothing in McCain's records that would be of concern. So what's the problem? McCain is selling himself as a war hero. If he was, fine. If he wasn't, then we know he can't be trusted, that the liar he's shown himself to be in this campaign is the true John McCain. Either way, American voters are better able to make a decision.

You understand that these are military records> These aren't high school sat scores. It might not be as simple as releasing all his records. As a person who has several relatives in the military and several that are retired now, I know that certain elements of past missions are still kept private. Why? Every situation would have a response to that "Why". Whether you like it or not is to be questioned.

Personal testimonies of McCain's POW allies doesn't convince you though.....ok. What, may I ask, do you expect to find? Or better yet, what do you hope to find. Because, judging from his character and his fellow POWs, I don't think anything was done that he was ashamed of, or he wouldn't label himself so frequently as a POW.

[barts]

Quote by: Apologist You understand that these are military records> It might not be as simple as releasing all his records.

Yes, it is that simple.

"All he needs to do is sign Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an undeleted copy of McCain's naval file to news organizations. A long paper trail about McCain's pending promotion to admiral would be prominent in his file. To date, McCain's advisers have released snippets from his file, but under constrained viewing circumstances. There's no reason McCain's full file shouldn't be released immediately." [Source]

"Given that McCain is running for president, why doesn't he release his military records to the public? His military record is clearly a large part of the qualifications he believes he brings. If he releases them, that allows civilians and his military brethren alike to evaluate his career. As with releasing one's taxes, or health record, this is an ordinary part of the presidential vetting process.


"Why not? John Kerry released his military records to the public on his run for president, after he was pilloried by the press for not doing so. Even George W. Bush released the rather meager military records relating to his time (can it really be called service?) in the National Guard.


"Senator McCain could do no less than Senator Kerry or our sitting president to let his record of achievement help state his case. Release your military records in full, John McCain! Not just 19 pages." [Source]

[Apologist]

Quote by: barts Yes, it is that simple. "All he needs to do is sign Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an undeleted copy of McCain's naval file to news organizations. A long paper trail about McCain's pending promotion to admiral would be prominent in his file. To date, McCain's advisers have released snippets from his file, but under constrained viewing circumstances. There's no reason McCain's full file shouldn't be released immediately." [Source] "Given that McCain is running for president, why doesn't he release his military records to the public? His military record is clearly a large part of the qualifications he believes he brings. If he releases them, that allows civilians and his military brethren alike to evaluate his career. As with releasing one's taxes, or health record, this is an ordinary part of the presidential vetting process. "Why not? John Kerry released his military records to the public on his run for president, after he was pilloried by the press for not doing so. Even George W. Bush released the rather meager military records relating to his time (can it really be called service?) in the National Guard. "Senator McCain could do no less than Senator Kerry or our sitting president to let his record of achievement help state his case. Release your military records in full, John McCain! Not just 19 pages." [Source]

I love your sources. So anti-republican. If the records need to be released they will be. We're two months away from the election, so be patient. It would be beneficial to your side the closer to Nov anyways if there is indeed something negative to the records> understand? I doubt seriously there will be anything, probably another News anchor fired over false accusations though...that would be nice!

Now that you've criticized one side, now criticize the other side. If you don't then you are wasting your time doing any research, because your not going to convince anyone with a one sided argument.

I'd love to see your opinion and comments on the taxes issue.

[barts]

Quote by: Apologist Now that you've criticized one side, now criticize the other side. If you don't then you are wasting your time doing any research, because your not going to convince anyone with a one sided argument. I'd love to see your opinion and comments on the taxes issue.

I am a partisan. I'm surprised you needed to be informed. No doubt those who support McCain can make a case for him and his history.

As for the "one sided argument" canard, what exactly do you think a debate is? This isn't the "volconvo journalism forum".

As for taxes, I agree there should be taxes.

[Apologist]

Quote by: barts I am a partisan. I'm surprised you needed to be informed. No doubt those who support McCain can make a case for him and his history. As for the "one sided argument" canard, what exactly do you think a debate is? This isn't the "volconvo journalism forum". As for taxes, I agree there should be taxes.

This is what I meant by that; I doubt in a conversation with another liberal friend of yours, if they said something that entirely wasn't true about McCain, I doubt you would correct him. That's the difference between you and me. Judging from your comments that I've read, your not interested in truth at ALL. You could care less about the military record if something good blossoms out, you just want something. In your mind, there isn't even the possibility of something good coming out of it.

You've clouded your mind with so much stupid blogger comments and socialists newspapers that you can't see past your nose. Don't you even think about saying that I do the same on the right wing. I'm not the one quoting all the right wingers. Because I think they are just as pathetic as the people you are quoting. Hateful people that only want what's best for them. Get them air time, money, bigger house, friends elected, this is what is skewing their opinion.

[barts]

Quote by: Apologist That's the difference between you and me. Judging from your comments that I've read, your not interested in truth at ALL. You could care less about the military record if something good blossoms out, you just want something. In your mind, there isn't even the possibility of something good coming out of it. You've clouded your mind with so much stupid blogger comments and socialists newspapers that you can't see past your nose. Don't you even think about saying that I do the same on the right wing. I'm not the one quoting all the right wingers. Because I think they are just as pathetic as the people you are quoting. Hateful people that only want what's best for them. Get them air time, money, bigger house, friends elected, this is what is skewing their opinion.

Notwithstanding how disreputable I am, do you or don't you think McCain should release his military records as other Presidential candidates have done?