Good news from Iraq, part 7

[Comrade]

http://chrenkoff.blogspot.com/2004/08/good...raq-part-7.html

A must read, tons of links to sources, for anyone who thinks we are failing in Iraq. And this is part SEVEN.

[Young]

When 5 explosions occur at the same time outside of church's during sunday morning services.....that out weighs any Good news

[Compugasm]

Hahaha, I laughed at this. "A group of men stood outside an ice cream store in west Baghdad's Ameriya street, staring at a television screen as the ice melted on their hands... The distraction was a video of the song "Bortuqala" (Orange) by the Iraqi singer Alaa Saad, and the troupe of gyrating gypsy dancers accompanying him."

[Technosoul]

Such good news is like what we got at the gas pumps.

First gas cost about 98 cents.

Then it went up to about 250 per gal.

Now it dropped back to 199 per gal and everyone says "good news, cheaper gas at the pumps".

Yeah, but still not as cheap as before.


So they might have restored a few things in Iraq, but things are still not even close to how it was before Bush cluster bombed Bagdad just for TV showing of "shock and awe".

[Comrade]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_...poll/html/1.stm

Here's some more good news.

And technosoul, 5 bombs does not weigh out any good news. That's the dumbest form of defeatism. Do you understand the difference between tactical failures and strategic failures?

And Bush has not cluster bombed Baghdad, you are just making shit up, now.

[Young]

Comi - Call Bush and ask if the two of you can share medication....I mentioned the 5 explosions...Techno was talking about Oil prices.

[Comrade]

Then substitute your name for his and stop hating.

[Young]

I'm trying to inspire you to be more than a Sheep.....Baaaa Baaaa, Can you hear me now?

[Compugasm]

Allah be praised.
"... At the end of our conversation, desperate to secure U.S. support for Iraqi women, she gave me her wedding ring as a reminder of how important this funding was for the women of her country."

[Sonart]

And technosoul, 5 bombs does not weigh out any good news. That's the dumbest form of defeatism. Do you understand the difference between tactical failures and strategic failures?

And do you understand the difference between strategic victories and cosmetic ones, Comrade? Cool, schools are getting built, businesses are growing, mothers are happier. After over a year since "Mission Accomplished", one would hope to gawd we've achieved at least some of all the things we promised.

But strategically, Iraq remains a basketcase and will continue to do so. After a year, they still have no reliable electricity, phone service, oil production or even minimum security. Our allies and their foreign workers are being systematically driven out and violence remains the number one concern. As in Vietnam and the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan - in which we both constantly rattled off how wonderful life was for our wards - we can kill a million insurgents, they don't care. They simply need to keep the country in chaos and keep killing Americans, day after day after day, and nothing we do will stop them.

Oh, and by the way, regarding our OTHER 'successful' war...

Violent Afghan militants gaining control

[Section 8]

Young and Comrade- Watch the adhominem, insults aren't debate.

Sonart- I completely agree. So far our so called "victories" are superficial at best. They're years maybe even decades away from achieving independence, and if they do it will be even longe before they can protect that independence. The only possible way for Iraq to be able to remain stable and maintain an acceptable standard of living, they need to be able to protect themselves.

This means having a well trained, well equipped police force. Also, they political and religious divides are extreme, so it might result in having to divide Iraq into three seperate countries. However, it will take a very long time for the ethnic and political groups to accept the changes, which means decades. I'd probably say that in 30-50 years, Iraq will achieve some sort of stability.

[Compugasm]

Allah be praised:
... The American presence is proving to be an unexpected boon: "The Americans have the best garbage. We're very happy with it," says Fadhel Khalaf, as he and other slum dwellers scour for "food, boots, tarps, construction supplies, wooden pallets, jerry cans and other items that military personnel discard in the mistaken impression that they are no longer useful." Hopefully, the new Iraq will generate opportunities Saddam ever did.