Obama's Associations

[Matt W]

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[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: GHook93 Honestly I think this one is a non-issue to me. You never know the circumstances that surround their relationship. I remember Michelle's speech where up until a few years back they really didn't have too much money. I don't put too much stock into this.

He's had a few too many associations with unsavory characters. Birds of a feather. To me it shows he's not really all that neutral. He definitely leans very hard in one direction. For me it's the wrong direction.

Some questions from George Will:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/134316

[oades11]

Quote by: maximdewinter List please? Hey Ghook, now that the convention stuff has died down, IMO you are going to see the thing that is going to broadside Obama worse than the Rev. God Damn America thing. And I don't think it has anything to do with the long list of miscreants you have provided---- although there is some fodder there. Right before the Dem convention the story about Barry's brother in Kenya surfaced: Barack Obama's 'lost' brother found in Kenya - Telegraph This story is a time bomb of political dynamite with the storyline.....Elitist, uppity, half-black, limosine lib Obama who wants to give downtrodden Americans everything with other peoples' money can't loosen up a few coins a month for his own relatives. Even Sally Struthers gives more. The guy lives on less than a dollar a month. I have heard that Right wing radio is planning to have a telethon for George Hussein Onyango Obama. Right this minute I will bet major money that photographers are crawling all over this guy's hut to depict the squalor that Obama ignores. And Barry can't duck it by saying he didn't know anything: from the Telegraph article: The Illinois senator mentions his brother in his autobiography, describing him in just one passing paragraph as a "beautiful boy with a rounded head". According to their 2006 IRS return, Obama and Michelle, earned over $991,000 in that year As Bette Davis said, "Fasten your seatbelts ladies and gentlemen, it's going to be a bumpy evening."

I'm really sick of your attempts to spread political propaganda and deliberate media misinformation. Perhaps you should do just a little digging before you post things as though they're absolutely certain.

Behind the Scenes: Meet George Obama - CNN.com

"But reports surfaced in the past few days, springing from an Italian Vanity Fair article saying George Obama is living in a shack and "earning less than a dollar a day."
The reports left him angry.
"I was brought up well. I live well even now," he said. "The magazines, they have exaggerated everything."

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: oades11 I'm really sick of your attempts to spread political propaganda and deliberate media misinformation. Perhaps you should do just a little digging before you post things as though they're absolutely certain. Behind the Scenes: Meet George Obama - CNN.com "But reports surfaced in the past few days, springing from an Italian Vanity Fair article saying George Obama is living in a shack and "earning less than a dollar a day." The reports left him angry. "I was brought up well. I live well even now," he said. "The magazines, they have exaggerated everything."

George is obviously being supportive of his half-brother, and very modest. He's poor, and it seems doubtful he's living well. People say many things that aren't true, even half-brothers. He might be hoping if he's supportive, Obama will throw him a crumb.

[thebuescherman]

Quote by: oades11 I'm really sick of your attempts to spread political propaganda and deliberate media misinformation. Perhaps you should do just a little digging before you post things as though they're absolutely certain. Behind the Scenes: Meet George Obama - CNN.com "But reports surfaced in the past few days, springing from an Italian Vanity Fair article saying George Obama is living in a shack and "earning less than a dollar a day." The reports left him angry. "I was brought up well. I live well even now," he said. "The magazines, they have exaggerated everything."

The brother is being very modest. He is most certainly not living well. Perhaps by the standards of his neighbors, but that is hardly a proper measure. But, just as Palin's daughter and McCain's POW status, I don't think the election should be about such things.

[inspire]

My husband is a salesman, he is constantly rubbing shoulders with business people who are, lets say lacking in the ethics department.....he does not embrace these people, but is intelligent enough to know that dealing with them has an element of self -preservation.
We all have people in our lives, we would rather not admit to knowing-Does that mean we share their views, ethics, morals, foreign policy positions...economic policies etc....
Hard for me to believe relashonships are that black and white, I know mine aren't.

[jose]

While Barack Obama has struggled to capture the Jewish vote, it turns out that one of his wife's cousins is the country's most prominent black rabbi - a fact that has gone largely unnoticed. Michelle Obama, wife of the Democratic presidential nominee, and Rabbi Capers Funnye, spiritual leader of a mostly black synagogue on Chicago's South Side, are first cousins once removed. Funnye's mother, Verdelle Robinson Funnye (born Verdelle Robinson) and Michelle Obama's paternal grandfather, Frasier Robinson Jr., were brother and sister. Funnye (pronounced fuh-NAY) is chief rabbi at the Beth Shalom B'nai Zaken Ethiopian Hebrew Congregation in southwest Chicago. He is well-known in Jewish circles for acting as a bridge between mainstream Jewry and the much smaller, and largely separate, world of black Jewish congregations, sometimes known as black Hebrews or Israelites. He has often urged the larger Jewish community to be more accepting of Jews who are not white.

Jewish World / Meet Michelle Obama's cousin the rabbi - Haaretz - Israel News
I guess when you get to be a Presidential candidate you know all kinds of people
(just down the road from you Ghook)

[GHook93]

Quote by: jose Jewish World / Meet Michelle Obama's cousin the rabbi - Haaretz - Israel News I guess when you get to be a Presidential candidate you know all kinds of people (just down the road from you Ghook)

I am familiar with them. Interesting article. The big O is going to win 90%+ of the Jewish vote. I think they will be the largest demographic he will get next to the black vote!

[another day]

Quote by: GHook93 You were a terrorist? You bombed the pentagon, police stations, police cars and the National Guards Office? You threatened the lives of people's children? You committed murder? You are unapologic for your anti-american terrorism? If so, I lost all respect for you? Protesting the war and civil disobedience is one thing! Killing people and terrorism is another!

William Ayers never killed anyone. The Weathermen underground called ahead and had all buildings evacuated before they were bombed. No one was ever hurt or killed, except the three members of his own group who were killed while making the bomb.

[oades11]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe George is obviously being supportive of his half-brother, and very modest. He's poor, and it seems doubtful he's living well. People say many things that aren't true, even half-brothers. He might be hoping if he's supportive, Obama will throw him a crumb.

From an American stanpoint, yes, it's very obvious that George is poor. After all, he is Kenyan. Most Kenyans are poor, unfortunately. The same goes for them and about a billion other people on this planet. It's no coincidence that 80% of the people on Earth only hold 20% of the wealth. Obama was never particularly close with his half-brother George, but apparently you think Obama should be more financially supportive of him in particular. This whole issue is totally overblown. If his brother were really living in such squalor, and he was truly unhappy about it, perhaps he wouldn't tell CNN that he was going to live in Kenya for the rest of his life. Money isn't everything, believe it or not, and it's clear that material posessions are not what is really important to George. But let's be quick to judge Obama for not making sure George lives in a mansion while the rest of the Kenyan population continues to starve by our standards.

[Sonart]

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Once again, Obama's enemies pursue the Rovian path of personal destruction through innuendo, half-thruths, old, obscure connections and crossed paths, and out of context nonsense. Just take the very first name on this list...

Saul Alinsky -- "Saul Alinsky helped to establish the confrontational political tactics that characterized the 1960s and have remained central to all subsequent revolutionary movements in the United States."

Beg pardon, could we be a tad more specific here? The most notable "confrontational political tactics that characterized the 1960s" was the massed, peaceful demonstrations and civil disobedience spearheaded by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and, before him, Gandhi. Are these the examples of insidious subversion we're supposed to be terrified of?

Without specifics, it sounds to me like an effort to twist something heroic into something ominous.

"Obama never met Alinsky personally; the latter died when Obama was a young boy. But Obama was trained by the Alinsky-founded Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF) in Chicago..."

Another view… Washington Post, 3/07 – “The job offer to "Miss Hillary Rodham, Wellesley College" was dated Oct. 25, 1968, and signed by Saul D. Alinsky, the charismatic community organizer who believed that the urban poor could become their own best advocates in a world that largely ignored them.”

“Seventeen years later, another young honor student was offered a job as an organizer in Chicago. By then, Alinsky had died, but a group of his disciples hired Barack Obama, a 23-year-old Columbia University graduate, to organize black residents on the South Side, while learning and applying Alinsky's philosophy of street-level democracy. The recruiter called the $13,000-a-year job "very romantic, until you do it."

“Both Obama and Clinton admired Alinsky's appeal for small-d democracy but came to believe that social progress is best achieved by working within the political system, and on a national scale.”

"...and worked for an affiliate of the Gamaliel Foundation,.."

An affiliate???? What does that mean? Worked alongside someone related to the Gamaliel Foundation.?

"The stated mission of the Gamaliel Foundation (GF) is "to be a powerful network of grassroots, interfaith, interracial, multi-issue organizations working together to create a more just and more democratic society." Predicated on the notion that America is a land rife with injustice, GF agitates for social change by supporting the efforts of a network of organizations (the Gamaliel Network) whose goal is to allow for individuals to "effectively participate" in the political, environmental, social and economic arenas."

OoooooOOOOooo, sounds pretty subversive to me.


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[GHook93]

Quote by: Sonart . Once again, Obama's enemies pursue the Rovian path of personal destruction through innuendo, half-thruths, old, obscure connections and crossed paths, and out of context nonsense. Just take the very first name on this list... Beg pardon, could we be a tad more specific here? The most notable "confrontational political tactics that characterized the 1960s" was the massed, peaceful demonstrations and civil disobedience spearheaded by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and, before him, Gandhi. Are these the examples of insidious subversion we're supposed to be terrified of? Without specifics, it sounds to me like an effort to twist something heroic into something ominous. Another view… Washington Post, 3/07 – “The job offer to "Miss Hillary Rodham, Wellesley College" was dated Oct. 25, 1968, and signed by Saul D. Alinsky, the charismatic community organizer who believed that the urban poor could become their own best advocates in a world that largely ignored them.” “Seventeen years later, another young honor student was offered a job as an organizer in Chicago. By then, Alinsky had died, but a group of his disciples hired Barack Obama, a 23-year-old Columbia University graduate, to organize black residents on the South Side, while learning and applying Alinsky's philosophy of street-level democracy. The recruiter called the $13,000-a-year job "very romantic, until you do it." “Both Obama and Clinton admired Alinsky's appeal for small-d democracy but came to believe that social progress is best achieved by working within the political system, and on a national scale.” An affiliate???? What does that mean? Worked alongside someone related to the Gamaliel Foundation.? "The stated mission of the Gamaliel Foundation (GF) is "to be a powerful network of grassroots, interfaith, interracial, multi-issue organizations working together to create a more just and more democratic society." Predicated on the notion that America is a land rife with injustice, GF agitates for social change by supporting the efforts of a network of organizations (the Gamaliel Network) whose goal is to allow for individuals to "effectively participate" in the political, environmental, social and economic arenas." OoooooOOOOooo, sounds pretty subversive to me. .

Clicking on each association states directly the relationship. Some are more worrisome and some are stretches!

[Sonart]

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Quote by: GHook Clicking on each association states directly the relationship. Some are more worrisome and some are stretches!

And all of them are nothing more than Swift Boat McCarthyism, guilt by tenuous association to people most of us - for good reason - have never even heard of. You're counting on the fact that most folks will feel overwhelmed by the vastness of the list of implied 'evil' associations, will assume where there's smoke there has to be at least some fire and won't have the time -- certainly I don't -- to drill down and find out what horsepoop it all is... Barak once was a roommate with a guy who interned with a friend of someone whose father was a poliltical activist too liberal for someone's tastes or once said something outrageous.

I simply picked the very first one, and sure enough... guilt by tenuous association to someone you claim is problematic based on insinuation alone. Meaning someone **GASP** too liberal for your tastes.

Fortunately, I have a far easier screening process... I call it "Playing Vegas". Given the endless, 24-hr-a-day appetite of the Main Stream Media for political scoops, if any of these connections were legitimate problems, the major media would have been all over it... just as they did with Rev. Wright or Rev. Hagee with McCain. If it hasn't "Played Vegas"... meaning, it hasn't been featured in the MSM... then that means it's already been explored and found to have no 'there' there.

You're trying too hard, G. Despite the recent history of Lee Atwater/Karl Rove Republican politics, it is NOT necessary that one's opponent always be the Prince of Evil Darkness incarnate.

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[maximdewinter]

Quote by: oades11 I'm really sick of your attempts to spread political propaganda and deliberate media misinformation. Perhaps you should do just a little digging before you post things as though they're absolutely certain. Behind the Scenes: Meet George Obama - CNN.com "But reports surfaced in the past few days, springing from an Italian Vanity Fair article saying George Obama is living in a shack and "earning less than a dollar a day." The reports left him angry. "I was brought up well. I live well even now," he said. "The magazines, they have exaggerated everything."

I read the original report in Corriere della Sera which is Italy's most respected newspaper

Il dramma del fratello segreto di Obama George Hussein: «Nessuno sa che esisto» - Corriere della Sera

from the report in Corriere della Serra:
[I]"una giornalista di Vanity Fair Italia ha passato una giornata nel ghetto in cui abita: «nessuno sa che esisto», ha dichiarato.("No one knows I exist")

and then

«Qui viviamo con meno di un dollaro al mese» racconta mentre mostra il posto dove vive, a Huruma, periferia di Nairobi.(living on "less than a dollar a month")

OK? Those were the original quotes I'm now supposed to fact check the reporters who were on the scene writing down the quotes?

Now about the brother. He lives in a slum. He has a s**thole of a hut. He obviously doesn't have a pot to piss in and yet he says he is gathering money to help his extended family in the video piece.

Breitbart.tv » Barack Obama’s Youngest Brother


I think America’s greatest moral failure in my lifetime has been that we still don’t abide by that basic recept [sic] in Matthew that whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me. And notion of…that basic principle applies to poverty----Barack Obama

Barry and Michelle claimed they made $913,000 in 2006 alone.

[barts]

Speaking of associations, John McCain has been associating with Raffaello Follieri who just "pleaded guilty to multiple charges relating to a sophisticated scam in which he allegedly posed as a Vatican official and cheated wealthy investors - including a friend of Bill Clinton's - out of millions of dollars." Here's John visiting Follieri on his yacht.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Jack I was as radical as Ayers in the 70s. A lot has happened since then and I'm no longer the radical I was then. People grow up, face the realities of everyday life. Is the contention that no one changes, once a radical always a radical? If so, that's just wrong, as I can attest.

Ayers bombed his country, says he didn't do enough and helped kill people.

Did you?

[maximdewinter]

Quote by: barts Speaking of associations, John McCain has been associating with Raffaello Follieri who just "pleaded guilty to multiple charges relating to a sophisticated scam in which he allegedly posed as a Vatican official and cheated wealthy investors - including a friend of Bill Clinton's - out of millions of dollars." Here's John visiting Follieri on his yacht.

From the article:

....One of Follieri's investors was Ron Burkle, the supermarket billionaire and close friend of former President Clinton.

Here is McCain with the wife of former President Clinton



And then there is this damning photo of her with Obama



You think they are all in on the Vatican scam? It looks pretty air tight to me.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Ayers bombed his country, says he didn't do enough and helped kill people.

Yeah, and once again.... SO FRIGGING WHAT!

"In addition to his professoship, Ayers is The Woods Fund board chairman, and a young state senator, who like Ayers is living in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood, is a fellow board member--that person of course is Barack Obama."

Was Ayers doing anything illegal in 2001 or wanted for charges of any kind? Has Obama ever praised or advocated Ayers radical past? Is there anything subversive about The Woods Fund, or it's board?

Or is this all just more McCarthy-like guilt-by-vague-association? Or is this sorta like McCain's connection to the mob?

"(Jim) Hensley and daughter Cindy (McCain) are well-established as the sponsors of McCain's political career and McCain has called Hensley a "role model."

"Hensley and his brother were the owners of Ruidoso Downs racetrack, along with "silent partner" Clarence "Teak" Baldwin who had been banned from any ownership role due to illegal bookmaking activities. Long-time business associate Kemper Marley, Sr. was also connected with organized crime."

Gosh, this is fun!

Quote by: Maxim You think they are all in on the Vatican scam? It looks pretty air tight to me.

LOL!! Indeed!!

And McCain had a close relationship with a man who said the following...

"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."

"The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country."

"AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals."

"I believe that global warming is a myth. And so, therefore, I have no conscience problems at all and I'm going to buy a Suburban next time."

How could Americans ever elect someone with close connections to someone that radical and hateful!