Palin's Daughter Pregnant

[Sonart]

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Quote by: tfox Makes your connection between this girls pregnancy and abstinence only education, and your multiple posts on the topic pretty much meaningless shiite you dreamed up in your own head.

You really DON'T comprehend what you read, do you.

The connection I'm making is one Conservatives make... the connection between teen pregnancy and bad parenting. Care to address that point?

Quote by: tfox Bill's assesment of the Spears parenting ability is based upon Brittneys behaviour, not jamies pregnancy.

Britney Spears is an adult and has been for 8 years now, and Bill O'Reilly knows no more about the relationship between Jamie Lynne and her parents than he does about Bristol Palin and hers.

Here's Bristol under close supervision by her parents, either drinking while she's pregnant, or drinking liquor at an even younger age.

Quote by: tfox You might ask yourself what was your point.

I know they seem to keep whizzing over your head, but I know what my points are... in this case, the point is conservative hypocricy that condemns the failure of other parents of pregnant, unwed teens, but somehow finds only virtue when it happens to their own.

I realize that's an awfully complex concept, fox, but honest, I have faith you can figure it out.

Quote by: Mrs.V OH THAT'S right you get some far right guy on TV making some loud point and think that is what ALL conservatives think. You're almost as nonsensical and irrelevant as barts.

Let's see...

- Young Earth Creationist
- Gun nut
- Anti-abortion, even for rape and incest
- Pro Abstinance Only
- Oil industry tool
- Denies human global warming
- believes homosexuality is a choice

...yep, Sarah Palin is an absolute cartoon of a right-wing wacko.

Quote by: Mrs.V Clinton wasn't impeached for dallying with the help, he was impeached for breaking the law.

Bush commits gross criminal negligence by intentionally misleading the country into a war based on reasons that didn't exist, willfully and recklessly ignored the warnings of his own intelligence services and senior military on the wisdom of invading Iraq, willfully and recklessly ignored the clear warnings of his own intelligence services and senior military about what awaited our forces in Iraq and how to prepare for it, willfully, negligently and completely failed to plan for the occupation of a large hostile nation, surrounded on three sides by even more hostile Muslim populations, and willfully and negligently screwed the pooch on every decision in Iraq for the next 5 years.

All of which resulted in the deaths of 100s of thousands of Iraqi civilians, the death, maiming and injurie of 10s of thousands of American military and civilians employees, the exhaustion and ruin of our military forces, making them completely unready should any other military emergency arise, the complete waste of literally trillions of dollars, our economy blown from a massive surplus into a massive dept, the dollar in the tank, oil prices through the roof, America's respect and world leadership in tatters, and Americas divided and angry.

Thank Gawd we only impeach our Presidents for really serious offenses... like lying under oath about a casual affair.

Quote by: Deadeye If one can teacher kids the evils of having babies while young and out of wedlock then one can also teach the value of abstinence.

Apparently Sarah Palin can't.

Quote by: Deadeye We were taught this by our parents, our teachers and our society.

Apparently not Bristol Palin.

What changed? Liberalism

Care to add a timeline to that? When were you in High School? When were you teaching High School?

The "AH HA!" of "Mrs. Palins Abstinence only failed!" line of attack by you ditzy lefties only lasts until people find out her High School does in fact teach mandated Sex Ed...

Exept that's not the point (even though it's been pointed out by Wasila HS grads that "Sex Ed" was not all that comprehensive). The point is that, according to , Conservatives, the fault for teen pregnancy lies with bad parenting.

Unless, of course, that parent is the GOP's new secret weapon to win the Presidential election.

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[Mr.Vicchio]

No Sonart, Teen Pregnancy lies first with the persons having sex.

That's why you will never understand conservatives, and if you cannot understand, you cannot overcome.

I.E. permanently at a disadvantage to the right.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Mrs.V That's why you will never understand conservatives, and if you cannot understand, you cannot overcome.

Oh don't gimme that... Republicans have been bashing us over the head with 'Character issues' and 'Family Values' for a generation, and we don't understand them?

What we don't understand is how conveniently they abandon their own rhetoric when it becomes inconventient.

"Guess who’s the most conservative of the four candidates vying for presidential offices in the White House this winter? It’s the one who eloped with her high school sweetheart in 1988, who gave birth to her first son eight months later. It’s the one with a 17-year-old daughter who is pregnant and unmarried. It’s the career woman who resumed working at the office just three days after the birth of her fifth child—a Down syndrome baby.

Despite these decidedly untraditional “conservative” values, soon after she was introduced as John McCain’s running mate, the Republican base whipped into an excited frenzy that has shown little sign of abatement over the past seven days—even as Governor Palin has paraded her dysfunctional family across the center of America’s grandest political stage." -- Stephen Flurry

What a surprise... the politician you've chosen as your very avatar turns out to be a blatant contradiction to everything she claims to stand for, but NOooooOooooo, it's WE who simply don't understand Conservatives.

Amazing how conveniently life seems to work itself out for you.

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[Ken Carman]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Impeachment of Bill Clinton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I always chuckle when people use Wiki as some kind of ultimate proof when it is edited and written by damn near anyone. Since editing is actually not too bad, it's an interesting source as an "adjunct" of sorts... but nothing more. I also willing admit Cons have made damn sure even Liberals repeat the lie that he lied under oath by repeating it ad nauseam, but it ain't so. Did he lie to us? Yes, and frankly I don't care or need to know about such crap. I even think that about Palin and her daughter; but this game was started a long time ago that the personal had to become; no matter how remotely connected, a weapon of political convenience. For the Left to refuse to do this while the Right continues to do so is like allowing the USSR to have nukes in Cuba without responding. Sorry, taint going to happen; or at least it shouldn't.

P.S.- One can impeach a president over damn near anything: true, false or absolute damn lie, but you have to prove "high crimes..." etc. They didn't since they never convicted. To be "impeached" only means the effort was made. Once again, if it had been perjury surely the judge would have judged him that way: and had that option. Period.

And, ultimately, that leads us back OT. If Palin and company wishes for the personal not to be political in this case then maybe they shouldn't elevate themselves to some moralistic high ground that they so obviously don't inhabit. Talk about "elitist" and "uppity." These days, with the power the Religious Right has over a movement I once was a member of, I'm almost ashamed to have ever worked for and belonged to, the Conservative party of NY state. Almost. The party WFB partially brought to fruition and respectability has been stained like Monica's dress by this crap, IMO. Any fool who knew a tenth of this could have predicted what would have happened to the Palin family over all this and it's almost a damn shame it had to go this way. Almost.

A rule best to follow: if you're going to preach about everyone else keeping their nose clean and having some moral high ground, you'd better make damn sure you have that high ground and your snotty nose isn't so obviously drooling all over the place.

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: thebuescherman Both sides often claim the high moral ground. Both sides claim each other is elitist. Arrogance is high in politics these days. It doesn't matter who throws the first punch, in my mind. And it doesn't matter what side is throwing the punches either, they're all the same to me.

Sorry, I more than most know this is untrue... to the extreme. Back in the 60s I was working on a campaign in the NYC area where the Religious Right had just started to use their money to influence the party. The head of our ticket took their money (mistake, IMO, no matter how much it was needed) but refused to tell the lies they tried to force down his mouth about our opponents. After the election kiddie porno was magically "found" in the trunk of his car, by member (who was also a cop) of the same group who tried to influence us.

If the Left was anywhere near the same when it comes to claiming the moral high ground then George Bush would have been impeached long ago: with multiple Ken Starr-like attempts to find anything to impeach him over. Even one actual serious attempt to head that way wouldn't have counted in comparison. Instead impeachment has been "off the table," and the few congressional attempts to even submit such have been quietly put to rest like some strangle "illegitimate" child.

If they were the same then Palin's failure to use her preference for abstinence only to prevent her daughters from having premarital sex and therefore getting pregnant would be as untrue as John McCain's illegitimate black child, Your comparison makes one based on what actually happened the same as something that never happened: that was based on a damnable politically convenient lie.

So when the bully beats the hell out of his victim, if the bullied throws a few weak punches back... your opinion is that makes them the same? That's weak, at best. This is also a tactic; whether you're intentionally using it is not my point, being used by the likes of FOX and such. If there's any disagreement about a topic that makes the two sides the same? Given that parameter we might as well consider flat Earth-ers to have as valid a stance as those who claim it ain't so.

Besides, we know that same rule doesn't work for Dems. Dennis Kucinich saw a UFO. Suddenly he's a whacked out bubble head when damn near everyone has seen a UFO; as in "unidentified flying object," something you're not quite sure what it is? But George Bush has God screaming in his ear that he has his personal approval to go get millions killed?

Right.

So much for that "Liberal media" lie.

Actually, their more like over aggressive vultures, whether it be Palin or Dennis, they sense weakness and go in for the kill.

[Ken Carman]

Wait, Bill Clinton was accused of perjury; impeached but not convicted, so he's must be guilty of it? Chuckle. Therefore Palin is accused of being a bad mother using failed concepts of child rearing, plus "Trooper-gate" (Yuck, I hate this "gate-itis" since the "Water" went over the "gate" bridge.)...

Given these parameters she must be guilty as accused.

Ah, "justice;" or lack thereof, has been so interesting in the days of Bush.

[tfox_60]

Quote by: Ken Carman P.S.- One can impeach a president over damn near anything: true, false or absolute damn lie, but you have to prove "high crimes..." etc. They didn't since they never convicted. To be "impeached" only means the effort was made. Once again, if it had been perjury surely the judge would have judged him that way: and had that option. Period.

Had a judge been involved, he likely would have convicted him. No judges, only congressmen.

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: tfox_60 Had a judge been involved, he likely would have convicted him. No judges, only congressmen.

Judges convict no one. Juries do. Judges pass sentence. But, BTW, a judge was involved. That's why he was charged by the judge with "not being forthcoming" instead of "perjury." There was the court case and the impeachment. They were separate things... legally: though one was being used as a weapon to fuel the other.

People confuse impeachment with a court case. It is not.

Folks, I have no problem with this sidebar, personally, but it is off topic. Once again the conversation has been hijacked to be about anything but Palin, her daughter and the effectiveness of Palin's belief that helped to create the controversy.

Or are posters here claiming that parents don't have to responsible for their failure when the very methods they choose don't work?

Or is that kind of point only valid if it happens to a family where there's someone politically active whose politics you disagree with?

[tfox_60]

Quote by: Ken Carman Judges convict no one. Juries do. Judges pass sentence. But, BTW, a judge was involved. That's why he was charged by the judge with "not being forthcoming" instead of "perjury." There was the court case and the impeachment. They were separate things... legally: though one was being used as a weapon to fuel the other.

???uuuhhhh? You dont have the slightest idea as to what you are talking about. The Senate is judge and jury in an impeachment. No court involved with determining his guilt or innocense.

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: tfox_60 ???uuuhhhh? You dont have the slightest idea as to what you are talking about. The Senate is judge and jury in an impeachment. No court involved with determining his guilt or innocense.

I'm sorry, but you don't know what the hell you're talking about. No "judge." No "jury." This was NOT, in any sense, part of the judicial system. But if you wish to say "like," that makes more sense, but even that is a rough comparison.

But the topic isn't Bill Clinton, or his impeachment, or the judicial system. It's Palin and her daughter. Yes, I mentioned the matter as an example in context with the topic, but that's all. We need to get more OT. I have no problem discussing such matters, but it's suppose to be mostly on a thread dealing with that... or those... topics. Start one, if you wish.