Sarah Palin- McCain's VP pick?

[tfox_60]

Quote by: nerdvincent Yay! Another politician who knows a lot but does little. She decided to decrease Alaska's greenhouse gaz emmission (sorry, she THOUGHT about it) but she has strongly promoted oil and natural gas resource development in Alaska, which means increased greenhouse gaz emmission for the rest of the world..

It means the same amount of greenhouse gas emmission made with American oil as opposed to Canadian, Saudi or Venzuelan oil.

[domio760]

Quote by: tfox_60 It means the same amount of greenhouse gas emmission made with American oil as opposed to Canadian, Saudi or Venzuelan oil.

So you think with this new found American oil, we'll use the same amount, but just our own? I highly doubt that. And if that were the case, where would the break in gas prices come from if the supply amount is the same? Would the cost of building these oil rigs, manning and operating really cut the cost of our oil down to the point were we would see it at the pumps within, say, 10-20 years? We would need to use the oil from our coast ADDITIONALLY to see a drop in price, which means green house emissions WOULD increase.

The solution is not to continue the reliance of oil buy trying to tap into more, but find an alternate, clean energy source.

Let's think worse and best case scenario.

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[GHook93]

Quote by: Clementine I am glad he picked. There is no way he is going to gain Hillary supporters now. McCain is 72. If he dies she would be in charge. How scary. She has no experience and she is completely pro-choice, also a big oil supporter. Who would want her in charge?

Maybe so, but the only way the Democrats put an experienced person in the white house is if Obama kicks the bucket. With the big O in his 40s that is not likely!

[GHook93]

Quote by: Clementine Not true. Obama has been a senator for 3 years. Palin is the Governor of Alaska. That is a different position then senator and she has only been governor for 2 years. Not exactly the same.

Wow 1 whole year longer! On top of that the last year Obama has really not been a senator, he has been a candidate for office. In reality he has 2 years of LEGISLATIVE Experience. Palin was a mayor for 10 years and successful governor for 2 years. That gives her 12 years of EXECUTIVE experience to Biden and Obama's combined 0 years of executive experience. Executive and Legislative (along with Judicial) are very different.

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Overall I think she was a very strong pick and has a chance to shift some disgruntled Hillary supporters

Quote by: ArgumentStadium There is no way Hllary supporters would swing to Palin. Palin is pro life.

I have to agree with Nerd. Female Clinton supporters tend to be pro-lifers. I think Palin will do little to get Clinton female supporters. However, I think Palin will do some to get female independent voters to vote R.

[nerdvincent]

Just to avoid confusion: I ain't democrat, nor republican. I'm anarco-communist. I'm happy to criticize both Obama and McCain,

[ArgumentStadium]

Quote by: Clementine Not true. Obama has been a senator for 3 years. Palin is the Governor of Alaska. That is a different position then senator and she has only been governor for 2 years. Not exactly the same.

Being a Governor is actually more similar to being president than being senator is. So her being governor is more relevant experience. Obama had only sat in Senate for 150ish days at the time he began running.

[dan4reason]

McCains choice of her shows hipocracy. He has attacked Obama for inexperience. Now he chose an "inexperienced" VP. He doesn't really care about the issue. She is a big oil person though.

[tfox_60]

Quote by: domio760 So you think with this new found American oil, we'll use the same amount, but just our own? I highly doubt that. And if that were the case, where would the break in gas prices come from if the supply amount is the same? Would the cost of building these oil rigs, manning and operating really cut the cost of our oil down to the point were we would see it at the pumps within, say, 10-20 years? We would need to use the oil from our coast ADDITIONALLY to see a drop in price, which means green house emissions WOULD increase. The solution is not to continue the reliance of oil buy trying to tap into more, but find an alternate, clean energy source. Let's think worse and best case scenario. YouTube - The Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See

What would make you think we would use more? Who said anything about price? The topic is greenhouse emissions,

[domio760]

Quote by: tfox_60 What would make you think we would use more? Who said anything about price? The topic is greenhouse emissions,

Hmm, well you may have noticed that the more oil costs, the more people use it sparingly. The opposite is true.
When it comes to drilling, not only pollution, but $ is also part of the debate. Gas prices are a major issue and the leading cause for potential drilling.

[tfox_60]

Quote by: domio760 Hmm, well you may have noticed that the more oil costs, the more people use it sparingly. The opposite is true.

So you dont want to drill for oil because it might make prices go down? Might as well just use sales tax on gasoline if your goal is to keep prices artificially high, as opposed to restricting supply by prohibiting drilling.

[domio760]

Quote by: tfox_60 So you dont want to drill for oil because it might make prices go down? Might as well just use sales tax on gasoline if your goal is to keep prices artificially high, as opposed to restricting supply by prohibiting drilling.

*sign* I'm really getting tired of your ignorance. That's not what I said. Anyone else who reads what I posted will know what I was talking about except you. So go reread it and try again.

[Matt W]

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[GHook93]

In case anyone is interested

Newsmax.com – Palin Speaks to Newsmax About McCain, Abortion

What do you think of McCain’s chances, and what should he and the GOP do to win in November? I believe John McCain will be our next president. To win, he needs to continue his message that America needs leadership devoted to the public interest — not the special interest. The GOP needs to live the planks of its platform, not just offer lip service. How did you pull off your election victory as governor? Alaska was ready for a positive change and tired of the good ol’ boy network. It caused many Alaskans to lose faith in their government. People want faith in their government. I have been able to pass a comprehensive reform law and place the state's checkbook online. You can be a reformer and also be a conservative. And your stand on abortion? I'm pro-life. I'll do all I can to see every baby is created with a future and potential. The legislature should do all it can to protect human life. Politically, how would you describe yourself? Fiscally and socially, I am a conservative. My respect for the three different branches of government and the balance between them has been my guide. If you were running for president, what causes would you champion? I would push for a strong military and a sound energy policy. I believe that Alaska can help set an example on energy policy. Speaking of energy, how much oil and gas does America really have? We have billions and billions of barrels of oil and trillions of feet of natural gas. We have so much potential from tapping our resources here in Alaska. And we can do this with minimum environmental impact. We have a very pro-development president in President Bush, and yet he failed to push for opening up parts of Alaska to drilling through Congress — and a Republican-controlled Congress, I might add. I thought when we hit $100 a barrel for oil it would have been a psychological barrier that would have caused Congress to reconsider, but they didn't. Now we are approaching $200 a barrel. It's nonsense not to tap a safe domestic source of oil. I think Americans need to hold Congress accountable on this one. What is your take on global warming and how is it affecting our country? A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I'm not one though who would attribute it to being man-made.

[barts]

I'm ashamed of myself! Ashamed! Ashamed for being just so darned happy about the last few day's news disclosures about Sarah "Family Values Pro-Life" Palin. This is unfolding like a soap opera or comedy. Hollywood couldn't make this stuff up. I can hardly wait for the next closet of shoes to drop all over McCain's head. Clearly, McCain is a hopeless incompetent. He's no maverick. He's a muddleheaded old fool. I'm lovin' it. But God Help America if he's elected President.

BTW, this thread is about McCain's VP, not oil drilling.

[GHook93]

Quote by: barts I'm ashamed of myself! Ashamed! Ashamed for being just so darned happy about the last few day's news disclosures about Sarah "Family Values Pro-Life" Palin. This is unfolding like a soap opera or comedy. Hollywood couldn't make this stuff up. I can hardly wait for the next closet of shoes to drop all over McCain's head. Clearly, McCain is a hopeless incompetent. He's no maverick. He's a muddleheaded old fool. I'm lovin' it. But God Help America if he's elected President. BTW, this thread is about McCain's VP, not oil drilling.

So you think the revelation of Palin's daughter getting pregnant is a major blow to McCain/Palin ticket?

Why is this so bad, yet Mazen Ashabi, Rezko, Wright, Ayers associations overlooked?

[Morality Games]

So you think the revelation of Palin's daughter getting pregnant is a major blow to McCain/Palin ticket?

It is a serious matter when a politician's public policy works into the lives of everyday Americans, but then it turns out the effect this policy was supposed to alleviate is at work in the politician's own home. Especially when this politician claims they consider the home foundational to society and in need of special care. That's annoying at best and hypocritical at worst.

Nonetheless, from what I gathered on the news last night, everyone (including Barack Obama) wants to give her a free pass. Amusingly, Republican commentators are straining their backs to make Palin's daughter getting pregnant a good thing for the party. Many people will lap that right up. So it isn't a major blow to the McCain/Palin ticket.

What may be a major blow is McCain going on and on about Obama's lack of experience, then picking, in spite of his advanced age, an inexperienced politician as his potential replacement.

Why is this so bad, yet Mazen Ashabi, Rezko, Wright, Ayers associations overlooked?

Overlooked?

[tfox_60]

Quote by: barts I'm ashamed of myself! Ashamed! Ashamed for being just so darned happy about the last few day's news disclosures about Sarah "Family Values Pro-Life" Palin. This is unfolding like a soap opera or comedy. .

Is it the two point bump McCain got in the Gallup daily tracking poll since announcing his VP pick or just the entertainment value?

[tfox_60]

Quote by: Morality Games It is a serious matter when a politician's public policy works into the lives of everyday Americans, but then it turns out the effect this policy was supposed to alleviate is at work in the politician's own home.

???? Public policy as being opposed to abortion? Her daughter is getting married and having the baby. Palin has no public policy that is supposed to alleviate men and women getting married and having children, it is to alleviate abortions.

[GHook93]

That is where it will be determined if Palin was the best or worst pick in the history of VP picks. There is no middle ground!

If Palin flounder, looks incompetent and loses the debate against Biden. She will be rightly seen as a poor pick.

If Palin prevails, looks competent, holds her own and actually wins the debate (or even ties) against Biden. Then she will be the best pick McCain could have made!

[barts]

Quote by: GHook93 So you think the revelation of Palin's daughter getting pregnant is a major blow to McCain/Palin ticket? Why is this so bad, yet Mazen Ashabi, Rezko, Wright, Ayers associations overlooked?

This isn't about the delightful, kooky Sarah Palin and her weird, Hobbit-named family. It's not about her past membership in an Alaskan secessionist organization. It's not about Troopergate. It's not about her supporting the "Bridge to Nowhere." It's now about her problems as mayor of a tiny town. It's not about poor, "no birth control/no condom" Bristol being the poster child for her mom's abstinence-only, no sex education views. It's not about neglecting her Downs Syndrome baby to be the VP--or neglecting the VP job to care for her Downs Syndrome baby.

This is about McCain's competency. He blew big time the first decision a Presidential nominee has to make: picking a VP. He picked someone who was not vetted properly which means McCain doesn't make informed, thoughtful decisions. Only last Thursday did poor John's gang that couldn't shoot straight send a team to Alaska to find out who the real Sarah Palin was before the national press did. The maverick is, in fact, a loose cannon, and he's demonstrated that to every thoughtful voter.

First decision as Presidental nominee? Round goes to Obama.