Georgian army moves to retake South Ossetia

[grandpa]

That is naive at best!
Russia was looking for any reason to attack Georgia!

You're probably right, but will you excuse Russia like you do for the US invasion of Iraq? As I hinted at before, there as in inherent hypocrisy in this scenario, as Georgia is the third-largest troop contributor in Iraq.

What do you think of Rice's position?:

The Georgian Times on the Web: Comprehensive news site, daily international, national and local news coverage , breaking news updates, sports, reviews.
SECRETARY RICE:
I just - I want it to be
known also - because we didn't have a chance in the questions - we did
talk again also about Georgia's transatlantic aspirations. And the
United States continues strongly to support those transatlantic
aspirations and believes that the intensified dialogue that Georgia now
enjoys with NATO is important, but that a membership action plan, which,
after all, is not membership, but is a way to give a way for - to give a
context in which countries can build greater democracy is important.

Mr. President, I hope you note that the United States stood strongly
with many others and that out of Bucharest, there was, from NATO, a
strong affirmation of Georgia's transatlantic future.

It seems America loves picking and choosing who can have a "transatlantic future" -- particularly if it contributes to its monstrous concept of democracy.

Grandpa h.

[J. Askiloupos]

I will address each of the involved nations in turn.

Russia: Watch how roughly you play with little Georgia, or you are sure to have the world's humanitarian elements breathing down your neck about genocide in no time. Otherwise, you have conducted yourself fairly well thus far in the face of Saakashvili's aggression.

Georgia: The "Sleeping Giant" that the Japanese provoked by their actions at Pearl Harbor was considerably more forgiving than the Sleeping Bear. Good gods, Saakashvili... What were you thinking? Perhaps that the stigma against larger nations attacking smaller ones would shield you from Russia's wrath? Fool.

The United States of Let's-Get-Our-Noses-Stuck-In-This-Too: Don't.

[grandpa]

Russia: Watch how roughly you play with little Georgia, or
you are sure to have the world's humanitarian elements breathing
down your neck about genocide in no time.

Unfortunately, Russia will continue to play its
political games.

Russian tanks head deeper into Georgia - Russia - MSNBC.com
TBILISI, Georgia - Russian tanks rolled into the strategic Georgian city of Gori on Wednesday then pressed deeper into Georgia territory, smashing an EU-brokered truce designed to end six-day conflict that has uprooted 100,000 people and scarred the Georgian landscape.

Georgian officials said Gori was looted and bombed by the Russians.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

You're probably right, but will you excuse Russia like you do for the US invasion of Iraq?

I don't excuse the invasion of Iraq and have numerous times said it was a mistake. No WMDs not justification period! Although you know my stance on remaining there, but I don't want to turn this thread into an Iraq thread so I will leave at that

As I hinted at before, there as in inherent hypocrisy in this scenario, as Georgia is the third-largest troop contributor in Iraq.

And? Austrailla contributes troops to Iraq, should Indonesia be allowed to invade them because of this? The 2 are mutually exclusive!

Georgia was trying to bring back separatist region of their country and Russia was using this as an excuse to strengthen their control over oil (the thing that is keeping their economy going) and giving the Russian Bear perception back to their military.

What do you think of Rice's position?:

Be more specific!

It seems America loves picking and choosing who can have a "transatlantic future" -- particularly if it contributes to its monstrous concept of democracy.

Not necessarily true. Saudi Arabia is a country who we have strong ties with and you can't call them Democratic and guess what America DOESN'T NOR SHOULDN"T want them to become Democratic!

[Sweet Katie]

Back from Berlin now.

Yes, I agree totally. I was watching BBC world news in Berlin, and I noticed how biased they were towards Georgia. They only interviewed Georgian ministers and people who were against the Russians, then made it out that Russia started the conflict.

But no, I fully support Putin, Medvedev and all of Russia in this war.I'd send troops of my own, but unfortunately, I have none.

And, also, what buisness does the US have to go messing around here? Personally, this is between Russia and Georgia, and should stay that way.

The other nations of the world community need to intervene to prevent destruction of another nation and its citizens. The world shouldn't appease Russia. Also, the Russians have been calling on a "cease fire" that they aren't honoring. Putin has been behaving for quite some time as though the Cold War hasn't ended, playing a deadly game with the end of the human existence. Georgia made a foolish military mistake; Russia is capitalizing on it. Russia is stating one thing, words to appease the masses, while acting is an entirely different manner. They need to move their troops out of Georgia NOW.

It appears time to put anti-ballistic defense back on the negotiating table . . .

[jose]

They need to move their troops out of Georgia NOW.

Iraq PM wants troops out 'as soon as possible'
Iraq PM: Troops out 'as soon as possible' - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

It appears time to put anti-ballistic defense back on the negotiating table . . .

I remember when MAD was a daily political game, and belive me you dont want to live your life under the threat of nuclear War,(YouTube - Duck and Cover)

[LtMisha]

Duck and cover, Americans. The new Stalin is on the block. Soviet block, that is.

That's the basic idea that most of my friends and ascosiates have had on the war. They all think that Putin's a monster, appart from the Communist and the PM-to-be.
Putin is not a monster. Russia didn't even call for a cease-fire. All I interpretted was that they thought one would be groovy.

Anti-Balistic defences in Georgia? Why not shove a missile up Putin's arse for all the good it will do. It's not happening.

[jose]

TBILISI (Reuters) - President George W. Bush's pledge to send aid to Georgia means that the U.S. military will take control of the ex-Soviet state's ports and airports, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili said on Wednesday.

"You have heard the statement by the U.S. president that the United States is starting a military-humanitarian operation in Georgia," Saakashvili said in a television address.

"It means that Georgian ports and airports will be taken under the control of the U.S. defense ministry in order to conduct humanitarian and other missions. This is a very important statement for easing tension."

U.S. to take control of Georgian ports: Saakashvili | Politics | Reuters
I wonder how Russia will see this?

[Sweet Katie]

Iraq PM wants troops out 'as soon as possible'
Iraq PM: Troops out 'as soon as possible' - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com


I remember when MAD was a daily political game, and belive me you dont want to live your life under the threat of nuclear War,(YouTube - Duck and Cover)

Regarding your first link, I was already aware that Iraq PM wants our troops out. That's not bad news to America. Furthermore, I'd put dollars to donuts that we'll be out of there soon. Afterall, the Iraq PM has intelligence informing him that their military can control the country now. That's good news. If you're trying to make a connection between the US remaining in Iraq and Russia attacking Georgia, it's quite a stretch, don't you think?

When Russia will NOT back out of Georgia, I live daily with the threat of nuclear war. Russia needs to stand DOWN now. Furthermore, it is feasible for the United States to assist Georgia in its nuclear efforts to protect itself, creating another threat of WWIII. This is not a good situation and Russia needs to stand DOWN NOW.

Regarding the religion aspects express on this website, the world needs to learn to tolerate one another's beliefs, not condemn or attempt to do away with them. History has proven countless times that religion will find a way to survive. There are still Jews, although they were picked for extermination.

[grandpa]

Regarding your first link, I was already aware that Iraq
PM wants our troops out.
That's not bad news to America.

It depends on what you mean by "America." We're not a monolithic entity, though government sycophants wish to believe otherwise.

I'm sure some would want America to stay in Iraq indefinitely.

Anyway, back to the main topic:

U.S. Launches Airlift to Aid Georgia - WSJ.com

WASHINGTON -- President George W. Bush dispatched Navy ships and Air Force planes to deliver aid to war-torn Georgia, bringing a dose of Cold War-style brinksmanship to the confrontation between the U.S. and Russia.

The move, which marked a sudden shift in the U.S. response to the crisis, put U.S. and Russian military forces in close proximity amid an ongoing conflict -- a rare event even in the decades when the U.S. faced off against the Soviet Union around the world.

Russia is not the world, but events like this could trigger a world war (assuming, of course, that the last one ever truly stopped).

Grandpa h.

[Nono]

America's boy Saakashvili has blown this badly, very badly indeed. A huge and very generous gift to Russia.

And there's no way either NATO or the EU are now going to touch Georgia with a ten-foot pole.

And probably thousands of people got killed.

Nice going.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Idiocy on the georgian side (not to mention war mongering, but idiotic war mongering is far worse) and blatant, violent and cynical opportunism by the russians, as if georgia needed to be absolutely smashed to learn its lesson, I'd imagine that happened the day russian tanks started rolling. (I'd imagine there's not much more scary for a former eastern block nation). The blame for the war itself lies squarely with th georgians, but between russia's "heartfelt" concern for its seperatist neighbors and the U.S.'s irresponsible enabling of a clearly off balance government, I can't find anyone without dirty hands.