Do you think Obama is a racist?

[ironeagle]

I do I think he's obbsesses with his own race and feel he will carry that racism into his presidency if he is elected. He makes off color comments and remarks about looking different then the other presidents, scolds black fathers on fathers day a day to honor fathers not put them down, and he wants the government to give black people money because some of their ancestors were slaves back in the day along time ago. So if we grant deeds and money to them who's land and money is Obama going to steal from to give it to them? it's not going to be mine I tell you that. I fear Obama will just keep licking and cutting open wounds about race rather than ignoring color and just f*cking running for president. like a normal candidate. Seriously his garbage about a new America, a new hope, and being like the Europeans is sickening, does he think he impresses me? Nope, I am totally disgusted by him and shutter at the knowledge that uneducated white people and black people are going to vote for him just because he is black, or because he promises, hope he cannot give us, with his attitude. I also fear a division of the people, if any of his radical ideas get governemnt support, I think we may see an all out race war by the time he's done. I sure hope the senate and house makes sure that doesn't happen.

[Hurt]

Uh..

care to cite examples for your claims?

(might wanna edit that "shutter", too.)

[grandpa]

Quote by: Hurt Uh.. care to cite examples for your claims?

That probably wouldn't hurt.

Grandpa h.

[loser]

I know, for the most part, that people are incredibly stupid but, come on now, who could be so stupid as to think that ANY black man in America could NOT be racist? Saying a black is racist is like saying water is wet.

So, of course he is a racist! The truth of the matter is that most everybody is whether they admit it or not. The key to that racism, however, is how it affects the way that you treat people of other races. You can be a racist and NOT be a bigot! Even though the meanings of the two words are often construed to be the same, they are not.

Racism is okay, bigotry is not.

So, is Obama a bigot? I believe that he is. Even worse, I don't believe that he has much allegiance to America.

Cassius Clay changed his name to Muhammed Ali. Will Barrack Obama even need to change his name to show his allegiance to Islam?

[grandpa]

Quote by: loser I know, for the most part, that people are incredibly stupid but, come on now, who could be so stupid as to think that ANY black man in America could NOT be racist? Saying a black is racist is like saying water is wet.

You apparently don't know what racism tends to mean. It doesn't just mean recognizing the existence of different skin coloration. Usually the word connotates a belief that one skin color (or a culture related to that skin color) is superior to another, and therefore deserves to rule -- or even exterminate -- the other. Going by that standard definition, I fail to see how Obama is racist.

Grandpa h.

[Radhian]

Just because Obama is black, and wants to help his own race, doesn't mean that he is a racist. I actually would love to see how a black man governs the U.S. other than the same old white man. Also, some muslims predicted that Bush could be the last "enemy"(for muslims) as the president of U.S. So, the thing about a new America, won't be just a promise, it WILL happen.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Radhian Just because Obama is black, and wants to help his own race, doesn't mean that he is a racist. I actually would love to see how a black man governs the U.S. other than the same old white man.

For the most part, he's just using common sense. Politicians lately go by demographics, saying different things to appeal to different people, and Obama's no exception. That's how they get elected, coupled with promises and special favors in the right places. Still, he’s not "Reverend Wright’s boy," or however one wants to put it,

Grandpa h.

[Chaossaber314]

I dunno guys. He came awfully close to racism with that speech once the Reverend Wright story found its legs.

He basically said that electing him would single-handedly heal racial tension and make up for slavery, reconstruction, civil rights period. I took it to just be mind bogglingly arrogant but in a way, utilizing race baiting tactics and racial tension as a cornerstone of a defining speech really walks the line very closely.

[loser]

You apparently don't know what racism tends to mean. It doesn't just mean recognizing the existence of different skin coloration. Usually the word connotates a belief that one skin color (or a culture related to that skin color) is superior to another, and therefore deserves to rule -- or even exterminate -- the other. Going by that standard definition, I fail to see how Obama is racist. Grandpa h.

While it's true that I don't adhere to the consensus' definition of 'racism', it's also true that your definition is not that of the consensus either.

Racism is not about being superior, it's about being DIFFERENT. A racist can be very proud of his race, want all of his children to marry those of his own race, and want to associate and work with those of his own race and he can do so without feeling superior to another race or being bigoted towards other races. In short, racism is very similar to nationalism. Why shouldn't a black person be more comfortable around blacks? Why shouldn't a French person be more comfortable around the French? While this may not always be the case (and there is DEFINITELY an exception to every rule), it is a psychological fact that "birds of a feather flock together".

I'm not saying that racism (or any other 'class clique') is a good thing; I'm merely saying that it is perfectly natural.

Obama feels that his race (assuming that he leans to his African/Muslim heritage) has been discriminated against in America for a long time. His assessment is correct...they have. Therefore, it is only logical that he would be racist (even being multi-racial). It would be impossible for him NOT to practice reverse discrimination as he would be the FIRST black representative to achieve the kind of power (as President of the United States) that would enable him to help his long oppressed people. The pressure (and expectations) put upon him by his 'race' would be too great to ignore. He does not want to go down in history as being the greatest 'Uncle Tom' to have ever lived.

[ironeagle]

I'm sorry but he's supposed to be an educated man. Black people are not discriminated against any more or any less than white people, Christians, Jews, Indians, etc. Black people are not oppressed because some are poor or because some think the world owes them something. This is the message that Barak is trying to send. He is racialy profiling me, making it clear he thinks me a white person somehow owes black people restitution, even though I in fact did not oppress anyone nor did I own a slave or discriminate against any black people, yet still Barak is discriminating against me by putting me a group of people based on my race which he is saying oppresses black people.

[grandpa]

Quote by: loser While it's true that I don't adhere to the consensus' definition of 'racism', it's also true that your definition is not that of the consensus either. Racism is not about being superior, it's about being DIFFERENT.

Some approximate that version of racism, yes. However, it is as though they lack the capacity for self-reflection or willfully choose to ignore the problems with their own views. Race pride (or cultural pride) is only really kept in check by introspection, by humility. Usually, race pride is intended to represent
the country, so there is far more damage possible than anything truly positive.

Grandpa h.

[GSM:Xtreme]

Quote by: ironeagle ... and he wants the government to give black people money because some of their ancestors were slaves back in the day along time ago.

Really? Should African Americans be given reparations for slavery? In case you don't feel like watching all 3 minutes of the video, Obama is asked at 1:50.

[Michele]

Quote by: Hurt Uh.. care to cite examples for your claims? (might wanna edit that "shutter", too.)

Exactly what I would ask....


Care to cite your sources on this ?

[Michele]

Quote by: ironeagle I'm sorry but he's supposed to be an educated man. Black people are not discriminated against any more or any less than white people, Christians, Jews, Indians, etc. Black people are not oppressed because some are poor or because some think the world owes them something. This is the message that Barak is trying to send. He is racialy profiling me, making it clear he thinks me a white person somehow owes black people restitution, even though I in fact did not oppress anyone nor did I own a slave or discriminate against any black people, yet still Barak is discriminating against me by putting me a group of people based on my race which he is saying oppresses black people.

Black people still arent oppressed....?

Heres an excellant example of being black in America.

Two teens going shopping, one black, one white....

While the employees follow the black teen making sure shes not shoplifting, the white girl is shoplifting what she can get her hands on.

Why, because both girls know the employees are watching the Black girl.

This was told to me as a true story in another forum.

Racial Profiling .........Yes, you bet....but its not the kind your thinking of.

[maximdewinter]

Quote by: Radhian Just because Obama is black, and wants to help his own race, doesn't mean that he is a racist. I actually would love to see how a black man governs the U.S. other than the same old white man.

Obama is half black or half white depending on your point of view. So then you would like to see how a half black or half white man governs the US? If one only looks at race, as you apparently do, the answer to your question would be that he would either be half good or half bad...depending on this inane point of view.

[Dandelo]

He's black, so it makes him crazy for his own race?

Sorry, but...

DING! No sale.

[Michele]

Quote by: Dandelo He's black, so it makes him crazy for his own race? Sorry, but... DING! No sale.

He is actually half black and half white.

But yea, your right. Its a no sale on this one.

[Michele]

Quote by: loser Cassius Clay changed his name to Muhammed Ali.

And what, pray tell...does that have to do with anything.....

The man had an honorable career in the United States ending with a Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2005 (yes, under Bush) and the Otto Hahn Peace Metal in Gold by the United Nations for his work in the Civil Rights Movement.

He is a man of lifelong accomplishments. much to long to list here.

Are you questioning his patriotism because he is a Muslim ?

[Century 25]

I think Obama is very much less bigoted than the thing that masquerades as our 'president' - I also think Barack is the best choice we have.. I am white, btw.

The black race has been through horrors even the best imagination couldn't conceive of. Their 'footing' or the foundations they have had to build their lives upon may be compared to one trying to construct a high rise upon quicksand.. You first must give the lives (buildings) an even, level site. They never had that.

I hope Obama wins. We all need a real leader. But don't look for miracles from Barack. He is only an intelligent person.. against all the hate & ignorance the Bush syndicate has cultivated. Not to mention the MIMC.. eek.. Obama may at least slow the sinking of America. But the damage done since JFK, RFK, & MLK were murdered & the course of the 'nation' reset onto the track desired by the postmodern robber-barons once had us on, well.. it really is too late to stop. America will sink into a mess like Mexico. Two classes.

[ironeagle]

I said black people are not any moe oppressed than other races, or other people. A black person is not oppressed if they are poor. White poeple are poor too, does that mean another race should eb blamed. i don't think anyone can deny the oppression in the past, but that's exactly what it is, in the past and let it go. Obama doesn't want to do that, he wants to scratch and open up the wounds in our nation and make people believe that we are all racists and owe something to some one. I also have many othe non race related reasons I dispise Obama, but it's his own decision to obsess about his race that has made me dislike him so much. Mabey the workers in the store followed the girl because she looked like she had money and they were trying to make a commsion sale off her, is that possible? The other day at my salon a black girl came in and asked me if anyone here could do her hair. I ssaid yes I am almost done with this client if you sign up I can cut your hair next. You know whta she did? She walked out, because I'm white and though I couldn't cut her hair.