Is Barack Obama an Idiot?

Quote by: Deadeye Thank you for the heads up. I heard what I wrote on the news last night. So I was wrong. Again thanks. But does it make the theme of my post incorrect too? I think not.

I'm not convinced the Obama campaign's choice of venue has anything to do with "stones". I think it has more to do with sending a positive campaign message, and the Brandenburg Gate does that. After all, JFK spoke there.

[Nono]

Right, he's definitely trying to bask in the JFK glow.

[Nono]

Quote by: xyzer Kerry (...) lied to Congress right after the war about his travels and about the so called atrocities that he couldn't have observed in his months ashore on a Swift Boat and on the waterways of South Vietnem.

Got a credible source for us, sunshine?

[GHook93]

He crowds of people around the world faling into Obammania is going to do a lot from him in the eyes of many Americans who do not like the degeneration of American's name that occurred under the Bush administration.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Morality Games Also, Bill Clinton was a fine president. Disappointing he had to spend so much of his second term jousting with Congress.

I agree with everything you've said except the last. Bill Clinton was a lousy president. He was amoral. Nor did he have a clear image of what America's place in the World is. Rather he like looking important. He loved to strut.

His claim to fame is probably his action to end the struggle between the Orange and Green crowds in Ireland. His Bosnia efforts, which he promised would last only a year are still in place. His bombing of that place killed innocents and no enemy, least none that we know of.

His actions, that he promised against the terrorists after they bombed the USS Cole never came to pass. None of his actions against the terrorists ever came to pass, except for a few Tomahawk missiles shot from far away, that did nothing. It was during Clinton's tenure in office that Ben Laden was able to plan his attacks upon the WTC. It was under Clinton that the FBI and the CIA were required to not share information.

It was under Bill Clinton that BJ's became table talk. He lowered us to that level. He was, in my humble opinion, a scumbag. He was also a poor president.

[big_lefty]

Quote by: Deadeye I agree with everything you've said except the last. Bill Clinton was a lousy president. He was amoral. Nor did he have a clear image of what America's place in the World is. Rather he like looking important. He loved to strut. His claim to fame is probably his action to end the struggle between the Orange and Green crowds in Ireland. His Bosnia efforts, which he promised would last only a year are still in place. His bombing of that place killed innocents and no enemy, least none that we know of. His actions, that he promised against the terrorists after they bombed the USS Cole never came to pass. None of his actions against the terrorists ever came to pass, except for a few Tomahawk missiles shot from far away, that did nothing. It was during Clinton's tenure in office that Ben Laden was able to plan his attacks upon the WTC. It was under Clinton that the FBI and the CIA were required to not share information. It was under Bill Clinton that BJ's became table talk. He lowered us to that level. He was, in my humble opinion, a scumbag. He was also a poor president.

A lot of Americans loved Clinton because he was President during a time when the economy flourished, and they naturally felt he was responsible for it.
I don't have any use for him, myself, but this blaming him for 9/11 which you imply has got to stop. It wasn't his fault and is wasn't Bush's fault either.
What, exactly, do you think Clinton could have done to prevent Bin Laden from planning an attack?

Blowjobs only became table talk under Clinton because he was persecuted for getting one. All that proves is there are a lot of hysterical prudes in America. You can't blame Clinton for that.

Be that as it may, I can't stand him. He showed his true colors when he played the race card against Obama. He's as ruthless and unprincipled as they come.

[Clarence]

Quote by: GHook93 He crowds of people around the world faling into Obammania is going to do a lot from him in the eyes of many Americans who do not like the degeneration of American's name that occurred under the Bush administration.

are you drunk?

[xyzer]

Also, Bill Clinton was a fine president. Disappointing he had to spend so much of his second term jousting with Congress

Clinton was the consumate political president who made decisions based on polling data? His absolutely ignored the increasing threat of terrrorism plus his fondness for fondling chicks was his biggest "Phoo Paux"? Having listened to him over the years its obvious where his interests were...They centered on Bill Clinton and his appetites for illicit sex and desire for personal attention and material gain! The Gingrich revolution forced him to act in the nations interests rather tha his own oversexed efforts?. He not only committed perjury but he also attempted to drag past presidents in as excused for his predeliction? The "they did it too" playground syndrome.

Here is a good one?

Got a credible source for us, sunshine

Kerry spent most of his Vietnam tour on a naval ship patrolling off the coast of Vietnam...check the records? His final several months were spent on river patrol duty in a 30 or so foot boat? Thus his claim to Congress that he observed all sorts of atrocities was illogical unadulterated junk? You just try running up and down a hostile river in a 30 foot boat and see how much observing you can do of the actions of what went on in the rest of Vietnam? In the span of 90 days he wrote himself up for several combat decorations. Its all on the record as is his claim that he and his crew spent Christmas in some place that it was later shown he hadn't been, and was off limits to all the Swift Boats?

I repeat his Swift Boat fellow sailors told the world that he was liar. He even communed with the enemy while still in a naval reserve status late in the war.Is this treason? Nor did he ever release access to his records as he promised. Thus I suspect there was some blot on his record that caused his Silver Star to have to be re issued much later when he had been elected to Congress and could exert influence on the Secreatary of the Navy?? His true military record is murky and I feel may have been corrected through the Board for the Correction of Naval Records. Obviously these accusations are mine and I don't have the inclination or time to follow up on them. Can you prove they are illogical or wrong?

[xyzer]

Pay attention oades.

Can you not avoid the question this time? When is War justified? Do you deny taht this war is for regime change and to secure oil contracts?

I stated above I was not for the Iraq war! I amplified my answer by saying I was a Monroe Doctrine type! Which to those aware of the Monroe Doctrine means attack(make war) only when the homeland and hemisphere is threatened.
I didn't think Iraq was such a direct threat and I didn't think Clintons bombing foreign countries was kosher either?

Is that avoidance of your war justification question, or is it you just don't understand? My statement was self explanatory, or at least I thought it would suffice for a normaly informed person.
If you still don't understand, Google it!

The United States planned to stay neutral in wars between European powers and their colonies. However, if later on, these types of wars were to occur in the Americas, the United States would view such action as hostile.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: big_lefty A lot of Americans loved Clinton because he was President during a time when the economy flourished, and they naturally felt he was responsible for it. I don't have any use for him, myself, but this blaming him for 9/11 which you imply has got to stop. It wasn't his fault and is wasn't Bush's fault either. What, exactly, do you think Clinton could have done to prevent Bin Laden from planning an attack? Blowjobs only became table talk under Clinton because he was persecuted for getting one. All that proves is there are a lot of hysterical prudes in America. You can't blame Clinton for that. Be that as it may, I can't stand him. He showed his true colors when he played the race card against Obama. He's as ruthless and unprincipled as they come.

Not discussing BJ's at the dinner table is not a sign of prudishness. It's a sign of good taste. (!)..ah, "propriety" might be a better word choice.

Of course, Clinton was not responsble for 9/11; Ben Laden and his cronies were. But the fact is Ben Laden and his boys did find security condition here lax enough for them to plan and train for their mission. Was Clinton response for that laxness? Maybe...at least to some degree.

Concerning the Clinton economy; it boomed, and then bombed. Clinton's administration didn't do much to cause the good times however. (They did enact some advantageous tax wrinkles w/t investment). Rather it was the Dot Com bubble that injected huge amounts of capital into our system that gave us prosperity. That bubble also burst which sent us into an economic tailspin which caused 401K's to lose money in the last year of Clinton's administration. Then 9/11 hit and this added to the crashing stock market drove us even deeper into recession. This recession happened, of course during the early Bush administration. His tax cuts helped to soften and eventually end that down turn, which lead to relative boom again. Then came a Democrat congress and the oil crisis and we are headed down again...if Obama wins and the tax cuts are removed, the on coming recession will be long, deep and hard felt.

Ahhhh...what were we supposed to be talking about anyway?

[xyzer]

You can talk all you want to deadeye. You make sense. I lost many thousands of investmment dollars in the economic recession that occurred towards the end of Clintons term. The recession that he and Gore vehementally denied.
I too noticed the Enron and other Dot Com scandals that the Dems made so much of occurred during the Clinton administration. Though Bush was blamed because they were revealed by his administration? I also noticed the whopping draw down of our Military (near 1/3) that resulted frome the Clinton/Gore re-invention of government years? A reductuion in defensive capability in the midst of mounting terrorist attacks? Great guy Clinton? Quite farshighted and attentive to his executive role.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: xyzer You can talk all you want to deadeye. You make sense. I lost many thousands of investmment dollars in the economic recession that occurred towards the end of Clintons term. The recession that he and Gore vehementally denied. I too noticed the Enron and other Dot Com scandals that the Dems made so much of occurred during the Clinton administration. Though Bush was blamed because they were revealed by his administration? I also noticed the whopping draw down of our Military (near 1/3) that resulted frome the Clinton/Gore re-invention of government years? A reductuion in defensive capability in the midst of mounting terrorist attacks? Great guy Clinton? Quite farshighted and attentive to his executive role.

I've never been able to understand why Clinton is loved so much by the Left. But he is.

I actually saw him. I could not speak with him, or shake his hand. He doesn't allow himself to be spoken to or approached by the meer masses. He was stumping for his wife......(I think they are married, but I'm not sure they are "together".)

Clinton is a huge man. He stands about 6'4" and he has a head as big as a 55 gallon barrel. His hair is a glowing white and his skin is bright pink. He paces about the stage as he speaks. He looks down at his hands as he caresses the hand held micophone. He drones on and on, mostly talking about himself...and how wonderful he was a president, and how much he enjoyed the job, and the fame and the acclaim.

He is, in short, a self centered jerk, thinking of little else than himself.

Historians will treat his presidency with a hoe hum. They will treat Bush's as an attempt at true American Greatness.

I read today that the "surge" just might be one of the most successful military strategies in the history of American warefare. Bill Clinton will be, and is know, for "I didn't have sex with that women".

[GHook93]

Quote by: Clarence are you drunk?

It will do a lot guaranteed! I don't believe the propaganda that independents are mad about this.

[Clarence]

I was not commenting on the content of the post, because I couldn't understand it! drunk happens sometimes

[Nono]

Quote by: xyzer ?

xyzer, stop wasting our time with your private claims.

I asked you whether you have a credible source to substantiate them.

If not, I'll be obliged to view your claims -- like those of the Flat Earth Society -- as garbage.

Quote by: Deadeye Historians ... will treat Bush's [presidency] as an attempt at true American Greatness. I read today that the "surge" just might be one of the most successful military strategies in the history of American warefare.

It's likely that historians will write about George W. Bush as the worst American president in history. Historians are already suggesting that judgment. See He's The Worst Ever and HNN Poll: 61% of Historians Rate the Bush Presidency Worst.

As for the "surge", its alleged success is more hype than reality. See A Social History of the Surge. I think you'll agree that the notion that the surge is a success is, in fact, a misrepresentation of the facts on the ground.