President Ron Paul ?

[simple simon]

well well well .... many of you seemed so convinced our next president would be Ron Paul

what happened ?

is he planning to win as a write-in candidate ?

what a joke he turned out to be

[another day]

Of course he didn't win. Neither did or will Kucinich, Nader, or Mike Gravel. The problem is they aren't scummy crooks like most politicians, and they have real ideas beyond most people's comprehension. Hence, they will not get very far in politics, especially in America.

[thebuescherman]

I doubt Ron Paul had any intention of winning. He just wanted to get his thoughts out there. And, perhaps, to make a little splash and make some headlines.

[HelioPrime]

And make some money along the way...

Does RP have to give back all the campaign donations he collected or can he hold on to them for use?

And don't forget his best selling book. RP is making out well off of the election cycle.

[another day]

He's using those funds for his ongoing "Campaign for Liberty"... he says his running for president was only the beginning of an intellectual movement in america to take back the country from those who have led it astray. For starters, they are holding a shadow convention alongside the republican one in november.

Helio, you can slander ron paul all you want, but you can look back 20 years, he was saying the same things he is today. He is not a fake, he is not a greedy exploiter in it for the money. He truly believes in what he says and he is pushing for it. You really think he wrote a book just to make money? The guy has been saying these things for twenty years, he warned america about attacking Iraq... he's chomping at the bit now with the imminent war on iran... he's getting more and more worked up when he gives his speeches in congress. The poor guy is just desperate to have some people hear his ideas because they ARE the solution to a great many of america's problems, and the world's problems. Peace, non-interventionism, restoration of civil liberties, reformation of the monetary system. If you disagree with those things, it's because you are essentially a fascist warmonger.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Another Day Helio, you can slander ron paul all you want, but you can look back 20 years, he was saying the same things he is today. He is not a fake, he is not a greedy exploiter in it for the money.

Oh really? Explain his earmarks as something other than him proving to be just as phony as everyone else in Washington.

[another day]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Oh really? Explain his earmarks as something other than him proving to be just as phony as everyone else in Washington.

Huh? Earmarking is simply the directing of funding that has already been approved to be spent.

So the money is already out of the taxpayers pockets, beyond his control... he is simply trying to get it spent on worthy initiatives instead of squandered on useless crap. Refusing to play the earmarking game would only allow the federal government to spend it on whatever they want - likely they would spend it frivolously because it seems they don't know what they are doing.

So he earmarks funding in ways he thinks would be a good use of the money, and a good benefit to his constituents.

I don't see how it proves him to be a phony. All it proves is he will attempt to make the best out of the current corrupted system. It doesn't help to simply dig in your heels and refuse to play ball, especially when you are in the ridiculous minority of congressmen who actually seem to have an awareness of the problems of government overspending. He got the name Dr. No for a reason... he has voted against every new bill for government spending. But he is always overwhelmingly in the minority of those opposed, democrat or republican (the small government party, yeah right)... so once the funding passes, what else can he do but earmark it to make the best of it?

Really, do some research, look at the bills he has sponsored over the years, look at his voting record, look at the videos of his speeches in congress. It's nothing but 100% consistency. If you still wish to believe he is a "phony" then so be it, but you are mistaken about this guy. Obama and McCain have performed more "flip flips" and "backpedaled" across more territory in the past month than Ron Paul has in his entire political career.

[jose]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Oh really? Explain his earmarks as something other than him proving to be just as phony as everyone else in Washington.

I have, for the past 35 years, expressed my grave concern for the future of America. The course we have taken over the past century has threatened our liberties, security and prosperity. In spite of these long-held concerns, I have days—growing more frequent all the time—when I’m convinced the time is now upon us that some Big Events are about to occur. These fast-approaching events will not go unnoticed. They will affect all of us. They will not be limited to just some areas of our country

Ron Paul’s Campaign For Liberty » Blog Archive » Something Big is Going On

[xyzer]

Jose, surely you don't beleive the generalized nonsense you quoted from a Paul speech?
We have actuually grown in economic prosperity over the past 35 years? Ron Paul can't name me one person who has had his liberty(whatever that means) curtailed except while not subject to the laws the land? Our security has actually increased since the revelations of international terrorism?

Ron Paul is a typical demagogic politician who 'bleats' generalities that may sound good but in reality are meaningless rubbish! He has long since been thrown onto the ash heap of political demagoguery. A dim bulb that blinked a few times and then went out!

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: another day Huh? Earmarking is simply the directing of funding that has already been approved to be spent. So the money is already out of the taxpayers pockets, beyond his control... he is simply trying to get it spent on worthy initiatives instead of squandered on useless crap. Refusing to play the earmarking game would only allow the federal government to spend it on whatever they want - likely they would spend it frivolously because it seems they don't know what they are doing. So he earmarks funding in ways he thinks would be a good use of the money, and a good benefit to his constituents. I don't see how it proves him to be a phony.

Well that's your problem. If you use money allocated by the government for your constituents obtained by programs you supposedly detest, and being this great opponent of government spending, you are in fact a phony. It's just another example of saying one thing, doing another, and then trying to pretend you're different from everyone else.

All it proves is he will attempt to make the best out of the current corrupted system.

No in contributing to excess government spending that he's supposedly attempting to combat, it makes him just another corrupt cog in the machine.

It doesn't help to simply dig in your heels and refuse to play ball, especially when you are in the ridiculous minority of congressmen who actually seem to have an awareness of the problems of government overspending. He got the name Dr. No for a reason... he has voted against every new bill for government spending. But he is always overwhelmingly in the minority of those opposed, democrat or republican (the small government party, yeah right)... so once the funding passes, what else can he do but earmark it to make the best of it?

Not earmark it and make your values mean something?

Really, do some research

Yawn. NEXT.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Well that's your problem. If you use money allocated by the government for your constituents obtained by programs you supposedly detest, and being this great opponent of government spending, you are in fact a phony.

Well, you could call virtually anyone a phony then. For example, I consider myself and anarchist, yet I'm not totally against unemployment benefits, foodstamps, etc. just because they are government initiatives. Paul is doing what I do for certain things; taking a conditional view. I certainly don't agree with Paul on most things, but this is perhaps the weakest point to corner him on. Anyway, his chances at presidency have been derailed from the get-go. It's largely because he's not phony enough.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: simple simon well well well .... many of you seemed so convinced our next president would be Ron Paul what happened ? is he planning to win as a write-in candidate ? what a joke he turned out to be

Ron Paul had some really great ideas (I think the best of all candidates on illegal immigration and many that seemed a little radical. You could also tell from all the debates and interviews he was in that he was highly intelligent and a mass-debater (sorry I am such a child). His campaign never went from nothing to something like Huckabees. However, his small but loud supports definitely did a great job getting his name out and he raised a ton of cash. But if you look at what winning only 20 delegates, then yea he was a failure.

My biggest problem with Ron Paul was one of the thinks I most liked about him was that he appeared sincere and honest. He spoke loud and convincingly against government spending and pork especially. Yet it turned out he was a porker, $22 million in pork. That was higher than McCain, Tancredo, Duncan, Brownbach, Kuninich and Gravel! This seemed like fraud to me. Using pork goes against everything that he stands for and preaches against. I would be like a vegetratian speaking against the meat industry and then going home and grilling up a couple of steaks.

[GHook93]

Quote by: HelioPrime And make some money along the way... Does RP have to give back all the campaign donations he collected or can he hold on to them for use?

No he doesn't!

[GHook93]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Oh really? Explain his earmarks as something other than him proving to be just as phony as everyone else in Washington.

Exactly!

[GHook93]

Quote by: another day He's using those funds for his ongoing "Campaign for Liberty"... he says his running for president was only the beginning of an intellectual movement in america to take back the country from those who have led it astray. For starters, they are holding a shadow convention alongside the republican one in november. Helio, you can slander ron paul all you want, but you can look back 20 years, he was saying the same things he is today. He is not a fake, he is not a greedy exploiter in it for the money. He truly believes in what he says and he is pushing for it. You really think he wrote a book just to make money? The guy has been saying these things for twenty years, he warned america about attacking Iraq... he's chomping at the bit now with the imminent war on iran... he's getting more and more worked up when he gives his speeches in congress. The poor guy is just desperate to have some people hear his ideas because they ARE the solution to a great many of america's problems, and the world's problems. Peace, non-interventionism, restoration of civil liberties, reformation of the monetary system. If you disagree with those things, it's because you are essentially a fascist warmonger.

Come on show your real reason for man-crush on RP. It has nothing to do with his politics and only has to do with one simple fact. He was going to cut off Israel! Bingo we have winner!


NOTE: I am not subscribing that RP was an anti-semite. His plan calling for cutting off foreign aid to everyone no exceptions.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: another day Helio, you can slander ron paul all you want, but you can look back 20 years, he was saying the same things he is today. He is not a fake, he is not a greedy exploiter in it for the money. He truly believes in what he says and he is pushing for it. You really think he wrote a book just to make money? The guy has been saying these things for twenty years, he warned america about attacking Iraq... he's chomping at the bit now with the imminent war on iran... he's getting more and more worked up when he gives his speeches in congress. The poor guy is just desperate to have some people hear his ideas because they ARE the solution to a great many of america's problems, and the world's problems. Peace, non-interventionism, restoration of civil liberties, reformation of the monetary system. If you disagree with those things, it's because you are essentially a fascist warmonger.

Look back in 20 years and say what?

Damn, we should returned to the gold standard when we had the chance, and torn down the CIA, and helped prevent the 1984 government from taking over. Only RP could have saved us!

Oh please.

The only thing he offered was the same face of bigotry as any other fundie conservative only he claims his is the "constitutionally" correct way to go about it.

[GHook93]

Chao,

I don't think he understands what earmarks and pork are. If he did then he would be like wow that goes against every RP preached against in his Presidential run. Then again I doubt he know what RP stood for other than getting us out of Iraq yesterday and cutting off Israel!

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Well that's your problem. If you use money allocated by the government for your constituents obtained by programs you supposedly detest, and being this great opponent of government spending, you are in fact a phony. It's just another example of saying one thing, doing another, and then trying to pretend you're different from everyone else. No in contributing to excess government spending that he's supposedly attempting to combat, it makes him just another corrupt cog in the machine. Not earmark it and make your values mean something? Yawn. NEXT.

[xyzer]

another day posts...

Huh? Earmarking is simply the directing of funding that has already been approved to be spent.

I'm the one that says, huh? Earmarking is sticking(hiding) unrelated personal project funding into an entirely unrelated Bill! I'ts imposing personal friends and supporting lobbyists desires in such a way as to increase the load on all taxpayers.
A recent example is in the appropriation for fighting the war in Iraq? Such things as relief for mid west flood victims(in the amount of some $2 billion) were stuck into it by enterprising phony congress persons. Since Bush was eager to get on with it he probably authorised funding the Bill which contained things unrelated to Iraq??

To top off the charade some Democrats in Congress complained that we were spending too much money on the Iraq war? Hypocrites most of them.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: grandpa Well, you could call virtually anyone a phony then. For example, I consider myself and anarchist, yet I'm not totally against unemployment benefits, foodstamps, etc. just because they are government initiatives. Paul is doing what I do for certain things; taking a conditional view. I certainly don't agree with Paul on most things, but this is perhaps the weakest point to corner him on. Anyway, his chances at presidency have been derailed from the get-go. It's largely because he's not phony enough. Grandpa h.

That's a little different, don't you think? Being an anarchist and getting unemployment, while hypocritical, is hardly the same thing as being so vehemently opposed to government spending while you try and sneak around the back door to the fact that you are responsible for just as much spending as anyone else.

The other thing is that you aren't being made out to be some type of Anarchist Messiah like the Libertarians have made Paul out to be.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: GHook93 Chao, I don't think he understands what earmarks and pork are. If he did then he would be like wow that goes against every RP preached against in his Presidential run. Then again I doubt he know what RP stood for other than getting us out of Iraq yesterday and cutting off Israel!

Yeah, but I'm the one that needs to "do some research".