Top Five - most stupid politcal concepts.

[Technosoul]

List the top five political concepts you think are the most stupid ones you know of, ones that seem unworkable or unrealistic. Or just fluff.

You can debate any one that someone has listed if you do not agree.

Perhaps we can create a list of the top 100 worse political concepts if enough people post them (which I doubt they would). But try to list only 5 per message unit.

You can just list them or add a reason why you listed them.

1. Winning the war in Irag.

2. Working together to restore the American Dream.

3. Winning the war agenst unlawful drugs.

4. Republicans and Democrats all working together for the good of America. (aka - ending political deadlocks).

5. Spreading Democracy to every country in the world.

[Matt W]

Techno, how many times do you have to be told? It's Iraq, not Irag. Please, try and spell the country right.

[Derek Wolff]

Ban of homosexuality, or its relevance at all.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Matt W Techno, how many times do you have to be told? It's Iraq, not Irag. Please, try and spell the country right.

I have been misspelling words all my life and it is hard to teach an old dog like me new tricks.

If they are going to wear rags on their heads they should change their name. I know, they could call their self Haliburton instead.

At least they should put a u behind the q like I was told to do in school.

"only two things are infinate, the universe and human stupidity, but I am not sure about the frist one" Technoeinstein.

[Thanatos]

Anarchism. Anarchy can only ever exist as a transient state; eventually someone will come along and impose some sort of order. Usually its not a fun sort of order either.

[HelioPrime]

^ yah know I agree with the anarchy one.

It's just plain impossible. Someone will always want more power over someone else and those someone's will want to give power to another so they can enjoy some benefit.

How's this one: Change!

All respect to Obama and all but how does change become a platform or a meaning for anything. Saying your bringing change doesn't make sense.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Thanatos Anarchy can only ever exist as a transient state; eventually someone will come along and impose some sort of order. \

Order cannot be "imposed." Only disorder can be imposed by force, to be alleviated by reason and moderation.

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: HelioPrime yah know I agree with the anarchy one. It's just plain impossible.

I would agree with you, if I desired slavery.

Grandpa h.

[Chancellor]

The big government nanny state.

Ecclesiocracy.

Communism.

Socialism.

Imperialism.

Extending "national interests" beyond your nation's borders.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Chancellor The big government nanny state. Ecclesiocracy. Communism. Socialism. Imperialism. Extending "national interests" beyond your nation's borders.

Those concepts are typically seen as unfavorable but that doesn't make them stupid.

Quote by: Helio How's this one: Change! All respect to Obama and all but how does change become a platform or a meaning for anything. Saying your bringing change doesn't make sense.

I know! Particularly when your platform is virtually identical to your primary opponent who you're trying to depict as a washed up old washington politician.

[xyzer]

Matt , if spelling is important why not put a spell check feature on the site? Is there such a thing for grammar too?

Techno, you make a point? The political discourse in this country and elsewhere, is fraught with "glittering" generalities!
What is the American Dream? Doesn't it mean different things to different people?
Affordable Healthcare? Affordable to whom? Bill Gates?
Whats this American Dream? Pushing a borrowed grocery cart with all your belongings on it under a bridge in a rainstorm?
How does one define winning the war on terror? Or even what is a win in Iraq? Does it occur when no Iraqi complains or they are all dead?

You are right, most of the public discourse in this country(and elsewhere) around election time is pure crap! Obama and his 'change' mantra included.?

[xyzer]

grandpa...

Order cannot be "imposed." Only disorder can be imposed by force, to be alleviated by reason and moderation

Disagree. Order can be imposed if your willing to kill people. It's amazing how successful some bloody dictators are and can be. They impose order by killing anyone who protests or causes disorder.?. If you kill enough of the disorderly dissenters the others quickly get the message?

I faintly remember prior to an Olympics held in Mexico, order was imposed by mowing down(shooting) some of the disorderly? The protests stopped abruiptly after that.

[Apeman81]

1. A reduction in the rate of taxation must be “paid for”.
2. Health care can ever be “universal” or “free”.
3. The debate over global warming is over.
4. The U.S. Constitution, or any federal government entity, grants rights to the people.
5. Separation of Church and State. (as applies to the no religious influence mantra)

[grandpa]

Quote by: xyzer grandpa... Disagree.

Of course you would. You think imposing death is social "order." I can't help you on that one.

Grandpa h.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: xyzer Matt , if spelling is important why not put a spell check feature on the site? Is there such a thing for grammar too? Techno, you make a point? The political discourse in this country and elsewhere, is fraught with "glittering" generalities! What is the American Dream? Doesn't it mean different things to different people? Affordable Healthcare? Affordable to whom? Bill Gates? Whats this American Dream? Pushing a borrowed grocery cart with all your belongings on it under a bridge in a rainstorm? How does one define winning the war on terror? Or even what is a win in Iraq? Does it occur when no Iraqi complains or they are all dead? You are right, most of the public discourse in this country(and elsewhere) around election time is pure crap! Obama and his 'change' mantra included.?

That is why I posted this topic. What is a change that can take us into some future idealology? How can anyone do that without a crystal ball, it is silly, and then they gripe that a canidate will change things to take us back to the past to some system that already has failed (in their opinion).

1. "Building a bridge to tomorrow" is another popular slogan. Why do we need a bridge? Is something under the bridge that we don't know about? But somehow those anologies sound inspirational.

2. "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country". Okay, let's call the President up on the phone and ask him for a job so we can help out. Ha. What kind of nonsense is that?

But the conservatives are no different with their little "sayings" and generalities.

3. They talk about the "Nanny Government". Originally a Nanny was a black slave girl who would nurse and care for an infant so that the rich white lady can keep her breasts and fingernails looking nice. Land of milk and honey - the Nanny should be given more respect.

I could use change if I could use the change to buy some gasoline.

4. "standing up to the speical interest groups". Everyone has the consitutional right to petitition the government, that is what a lobby is doing. Big oil and tobacco and firearms are not the only lobby groups in Washington DC. They have lobby groups for wildlife protection, animal rights, the rights of working class, the rights for women, the Vet lobby, the lobby for school teachers. All kinds of lobby groups representing speical groups who have speical interests in how the government directs it's polices and relative to bills and laws being made.

By the way it is possible to open up another Google webpage next to the Volconvo one and use the google page to check the spelling of a word - if you have doubts about it's spelling. Which can be done fairly quick like. I just basically goofed in spelling Iraq. That is one of those words I always seem to get wrong for some reason and in the rush of posting something it did not ocur to me to proof read that word, which I write more as a habit then for any other reason. I do the same thing when driving somewhere, if I am in the habit of going to certain place everyday I might turn on that street by following a habit instead of paying attention and going to another intended target near by that location. Habits are hard to break. (well, for me anyway, because I deligate too much responsibilty to habits as a guiding factor). All one must do is type in a word on Google search and if it is wrong the engine will say "did you mean Iraq"? None the less, I often type G instead of Q.

You can goute me on that.

Naborhood sounds a like like neighborhood.

6. "Freedom is not free". What a stupid contradiction that one is. Does this mean if I pay more Democratic taxes I will get more freedom? Does this mean if I march off into harms way I will be rewarded with a "heavenly America"? (sounds like a terrorist motto also). Where do they come up with that stuff anyway? No such thing as "freedom" and freedom fighters only want to become dictators.

Now if I wanted a spelling teacher I would hire one, and they wourd serve me with respect because they work for me. But I would never elect a teacher to be my authority figure. Or to abuse the role of teaching to become a big bad bully. And so "excuse me" from mandatory educational conformity. It's not my bag. I will spell MY words any dame way I please. I seek no "spelling bee lobby donations from that special interest group". Yo ho.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Technosoul 1. "Building a bridge to tomorrow" is another popular slogan. Why do we need a bridge? Is something under the bridge that we don't know about?

LOL. It's usually disenfranchised poor minorities that end up under the bridge as a result of such inspirational party lines.

[Apeman81]

nanny
"children's nurse," 1795, from widespread child's word for "female adult other than mother" (cf. Gk. nanna "aunt"). The word also is a nickname form of the fem. proper name Anne, which probably is the sense in nanny goat (1788, cf. billy goat). The verb meaning "to be unduly protective" is from 1954. Nanny-house "brothel" is slang from c.1700.

[Morality Games]

Order cannot be "imposed." Only disorder can be imposed by force, to be alleviated by reason and moderation.

... Don't you think your vocabulary is a bit surreal? How is concentrated effort on part of a pervasive organization toward keeping the roadway, marketplace, and private properties safe from roaving bands of bandits not imposing order? And that is only one instance where the activity of a government can be construed as imposing order.

Also, reason and moderation qualify as forces in most forms of logic, in the sense they can be used to work changes in a region.

Something that bothers me is when people start letting their beliefs distort their use of everyday language until it sounds too awkward to be real.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Thanatos Anarchism. Anarchy can only ever exist as a transient state; eventually someone will come along and impose some sort of order. Usually its not a fun sort of order either.

Anarchism sort of works like LSD. If you drop some acid it scrambles up your perspectives and you end up with "change" in the way you see things.

Confusion. I basic cult methodology, first you confuse the person by getting them to doubt what ever ideas they once depended upon as a standard for law and order, and once they are confused you can introduce a new standard and they will grab it like someone grabbing a staw while sinking in quicksand.

Those methods are questionable even if sometimes the results might be an improvment of what they used to use for guidance.

Example: Displacing the root motive of selfhishness with doubts that such is wrong, then inserting the concepts of "service to others". Teamwork, etc.

The government, and therefore the canididates, view their self as the Managers and the rest of us are what they are managing as a work force or as their "children".

We have two governments as identified by two parties. One advocating selfishness and the other advocating service to others. With a near 50-50 tie in our support for those concepts.

Save for a few of us odd ducks.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: Thanatos Anarchism. Anarchy can only ever exist as a transient state; eventually someone will come along and impose some sort of order. Usually its not a fun sort of order either.

Agreed