Save Israel!

[RealRockingham]

Save Israel!
Israel is greatly threatened by its surging Arab population. In this, it is not much different to much of West, in regards to the violent and imperialist Muslims as a whole. But Israel is a special case: Firstly, because of the symbolic meaning it has to Arabs- should Islam triumph their, they will be spurred to revenge against the West, both in exterior and interior conflict.

Indeed, victory may be less then 20 years away from them. Due to a number of factors, such as the surging Arab population, and the disunity of Knesset against the Arab threat, the Knesset will be easy prey for the poor Bedouin-like Arab peoples. Ironically, this will likely mean the re-absorbtion of Palestine- but also, re-settlement of the Palestinian refugees.

And so, Israel will be swarmed by un-intelligent jobless refugees entirely depdnant of the welfare system. And, as the Arab population increases, their capacity to increase welfare will increase, until the burden on Jews is such that they largely leave Israel. Indeed, the welfare tac will degenerate likely into the traditional Muslim tax system-taxing non-Muslims far more then Muslims.

And so, the Muslims will have followed their traditional pattern- set-up their faith, convert or multiply to a majority, milk the former citizens for all they're worth, until they leave voluntarily,or else are expelled and killed off. This is their plan in Europe and eventually America as well.

This what the foolish Arabs will do when they breed liek rabbits to dominance. They will destroy the wealth of the state, and create another basket case- not just in Israel, but everywhere.

The Arabs must be stopped-this is in the interest of Israels fellow Western allies. The success of "Islamification", not much different to Salination, would display to Muslims that they are supported by God, and can achieve the same in the rest of the West. And thus, they will set up more religiously-based welfare states in former Western countries, and live of the taxes of the infidel that they despise.

The West spent most of its hsitory either under attack of pre-empting the attack by Muslim peoples. The crusades were all about slowing down the Turks. Despite that, they nearly took Vienna! And yet, in the last 50 or so years, the West developed a guilt consience, and has basically allowed the Islamic world to quite literally rape(not in the sexual meaning of the word) the Western world, both economically from the outside, and politically/culturally from the inside.

I ask you- what do we have to be guilty for? We supply the demand for oil that keeps Arabs from starving. We modernized much of the Arab world under the title of the "mandates". We tolerated the creation of OPEC! We gave the Muslims independance- AND SO THEY SEEK TO CONQUER US! We displayed weakness, and the Arabs, like most animals, reacted by taking advantage of that. Only the West and certain Asian groups have had the masses escape from animal mentality. In both cases, this is only so among the middleclasses in any case, the lower class stioll remains animal. In the muslim world(apart from segments of Turkish society, Albania and a few exception over West/Muslim hybrids)only the upperclass is non-animal.

Do we, the Westerners, really want to fall prey to desert nomad culture, and lose all the modernity we have gained?

To escape such a fate two things must be done:
1)Expel the Muslims, into the Islamic world, and let survival of the fittest take its course in their survival. In the long term this natural selection will actually benefit their race.

2)Cease to source any oil from Muslim lands as rapidly as possible- in the long run, actually benefitin Muslim economy and society.

3)Encourage birth rates among the wealthy Westerners, and massively discourage them among the poor. Thus purifying our own cultures self destructive rising poor class.

Unfortunatley, some states, like France and Israel, may be too fargone.

[RealRockingham]

Statistics borrowed from SamsonBlinded.org, posted by Obadiah Shoher:

How many Arabs are there in Israel? The latest publicly available brochure on ethnic distribution from Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics is for the year 2003. It shows 15.6% of Arabs are aged 0-4, and 9.1% of Jews are in the same age group.
In 2007, Jews were 5,470,000, and Arabs - 1,449,000. Accordingly, the number of Jews younger than five years is 5,470,000*9.1%=498,000; Arabs are 1,449,000*15.6%=226,000. In 18 years, therefore, Arab voters would be 226,000/498,000=45% the number of Jews.

There are also 4.4% of other peoples in Israel, or approximately 7,241,000*4.4%*9.1%=29,000 younger than five. That makes the Jews approximately 498,000/(498,000+226,000+29,000)=66% of Israel's young population. Jews already lost the supermajority status required for many legislative acts.

In truth, the ratio of Jews is much, much less. More than 300,000 Israelis registered as Jews are not Jews according to the traditional Jewish requirements. Unknown number of Israelis, estimated at 120,000 - 200,000 have only a Jewish grandmother which hardly makes them Jewish for practical purposes. Close to 900,000 Israelis live abroad, many of them counted as Jews in Israeli census as they keep visiting Israel once in a while. Therefore, the real number of Jews in Israel is 5,470,000-300,000-120,000-900,000=4,150,000. That makes the number of Jews younger than five 4,150,000*9.1%=378,000. Arabs of the same age constitute 226,000/378,000=60% of the number of Jews. Jews, realistically, constitute 378,000/(378,000+226,000+29,000)=60% among the Israel's young.

The trend toward emigration of young, productive Jews exacerbates the demographic problem. The number of Jews includes many questionable ones, such as non-halachic Jews by paternal lineage and 120,000 Black Christians and fake converts.

The Arabs form 226,000/(378,000+226,000+29,000)=36% of the Israelis. Arabs can count on other non-Jews, the 4.4%, in many policies. Arabs are also supported by ultra-left Jews who take 5-8% of the Knesset seats. In some situations, anti-Zionist ultra-Orthodox Jews would join them; that's another 200,000 voters, or 3%. At the very least, those Jews generally abstain from voting, deducting the 3% from Jewish electoral base. That already GUARANTEES Arabs the Knesset majority in 18 years.

Moreover, Arab political spectrum is united in its most important aspect, opposition to Israel's Jewishness. That situation won't change: naturally, Arabs prefer a Muslim or ethnic-blind state to a Jewish one. On the background of highly fragmented Jewish political parties, Arabs will reach decisive power in the Knesset long before they and their allies form the majority.

The bulk of young Jewish population is concentrated in Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox sectors; the birth rate of secular Jews hardly breaks even. Birth rate among moderately Orthodox Jews, usually identified as religious Zionists, rapidly declines as they integrate into secular culture. Ultra-Orthodox Jews maintain their high birth rate due to the isolation from secular developments, but for the same reason they remain underproductive (often unemployed), unwarlike (often shrinking from IDF conscription), and contempt of the existing Jewish state. In some important respects, therefore, young Jews are becoming as inimical to Israel as Arabs.

The concentration of new Jewish births among ultra-Orthodox makes the birth rate vulnerable to welfare policies. After the child allowances for large families were reduced, and, say, a 10-child family found itself receiving merely $700 of subsidies per month instead of the pre-2001 level of $1,600, ultra-Orthodox families appeared in dire poverty. In effect, the government cut the subsidies retroactively, as the cut affected the children who were given birth with the previous level of subsidies in mind. The unruly ultra-Orthodox community frightens the government with its religious zeal, and the government works to decimate the community. In response to diminished subsidies, ultra-Orthodox birth rate dropped sharply. Though the official statistics remains secret – itself a proof of the government's malign intent – published pieces of evidence, such as the drop from 8.9 to 7.7 children in Beitar Illit, suggest a fertility reduction of 10-13%. The previous subsidies were not high: $160 per child per month for ten-child family translated into the government's expenses of $31,000 before the child reaches 17 years. That price is a bargain compared to state's expenses for secular education. The reduction of child allowances disproportionally hurt the high-yield ultra-Orthodox community, and significantly diminishes Jewish birth rate.

Israel's Arabs were 150,000 in 1948. In sixty years, they bred to tenfold increase.

The last time Jews constituted only 60% of Israeli population was in 1947. We have fought and expelled the Arabs.

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[Matt W]

You would urge a democracy to expel its' own citizens? This is facist thinking at best.

[Nono]

Israel is much more threatened by its own occupation of foreign lands. Think about it.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Israels doing fine without my help.

[Thanatos]

You would urge a democracy to expel its' own citizens? This is facist thinking at best.

Yes, and with historical precedent. Hitler's original plan was to expel the Jews. When they failed to leave at his command then he started up the gas chambers, which is the logical conclusion to this binary Jews or Muslims mindset.

Basically no matter what anybody says or does this is going to end badly unless someone invents a magic anti-stupid ray with which to blast the Middle East. If we're very lucky this going to end without excessive use of nuclear weapons.

[RealRockingham]

Meh. The Arabs will just f**k the area up if the ygai ncontrol of it anyway, so no loss expelling them.... either the Arabs shoot themselves in the foot, or someone else does it for them.

[Dan_77]

Israel gets close to 33 cents on the dollar of all US foreign aid.

We've done enough. Find some other suckers to meddle in ME affairs.

[RealRockingham]

Israel gets close to 33 cents on the dollar of all US foreign aid.

We've done enough. Find some other suckers to meddle in ME affairs.

Firstly, you have point, the rest of the West has to chip in as well.

But do you really want the Muslim's to smother the West, starting with Israel?

[Nono]

Do you really want the Muslim's to smother the West?

(laughs) This is a warm-over serving of that hoary old dish called "Would you rather fight the Cong here or in Santa Monica?"

[Gods_Mercenary]

Firstly, you have point, the rest of the West has to chip in as well.

But do you really want the Muslim's to smother the West, starting with Israel?

Israel has a very powerful; (thanks to U.S. aid) and modern army, they survived and in a few cases kicked ass in wars against all their surroundings back when they had a piddly army, I think they can stand up[ to a few terrorists, and they could start by reducing their number and recruiting base by giving Palestinians something to live for.

[shrike]

Israel is much more threatened by its own occupation of foreign lands. Think about it.

According to Hamas every square meter that Israel occupies is foreign.
It's funny how Muslim and leftist fanatics share the same worldview.