North American Union and V-Chip Truth

[Lullaby Chainer]

YouTube - NORTH AMERICAN UNION & VCHIP TRUTH

Uh.. I don't know anything about politics or government or anything really in the real world () so I'll let you guys tear this apart and/or confirm it.

Apparently it's the second Zeitgeist movie so.. eh.

[Winter wind]

First of, I'm not totally against the idea of an RFID chip, only if it's used incorrectly.

Second off, the Rockefellers don't have this kind of pull. this is probably just a sentiment working up in the government.

Finally no environment so controlled can be created where human manipulation on this level can be collectively pulled off without someone finding out.

[xyzer]

Sounds like a bunch pure unadulterated 'poppycock' to me.
Bush can't do any thing to change foreign policy without the advice and consent of the Senate?

In the US at least there is a prescribed role for each element of governance and the legislative restraint is the most all inclusive. This scare tube video is ridiculous and makes a lot of unjust and improbable conclusions in an effort to scare people..Nonsense

Agree with winter wind the Rockerfeller myth is just that. Another conspiracy theory that isn't born out by fact!

[Chris]

xyzer,

The video may be conspiracy theorist in nature but what they said about the so called "war on terror" is 100% true. I am not a conspiracy nut at all but this endless war is senseless. The classic clip is of that mother, saying "after 9/11 I want that extra protection" which is exactly what the powers that be want.

Did Osama plan and carry out 9/11? Yes. Did Bush & Co. use 9/11 as a spring board to further their agenda? Absolutely.

[Thanatos]

Quote by: xyzer Sounds like a bunch pure unadulterated 'poppycock' to me. Bush can't do any thing to change foreign policy without the advice and consent of the Senate? In the US at least there is a prescribed role for each element of governance and the legislative restraint is the most all inclusive. This scare tube video is ridiculous and makes a lot of unjust and improbable conclusions in an effort to scare people..Nonsense Agree with winter wind the Rockerfeller myth is just that. Another conspiracy theory that isn't born out by fact!

I feel as if my head will explode. That's...quite possibly the dumbest counterargument I have ever seen. Bush can't do a thing without congress besides talk because he needs funding to exercise his powers as commander in chief. You offered no support. Yet...I agree with your worldview on this topic.

*BOOM*

Where were we? Ah, yes, the video.

It starts out stating that this arrangement was signed in 2005. I have to ask...why do we still have borders?

Oh right, because this act is the product of a schizophrenic imagination. There was an actual act that was much more limited in scope and not particularly secret.

The Amero is another semi-real object. There was a group of Canadian economists who wanted a single currency, and one actually wrote a book about it as I recall. The proposal failed to gain traction.

This is touching on a circle of debate I avoid. Conspiracies have a magnetic pull for those who have a tough time separating reality from fantasy, and because you can trust neither the majority of other researchers nor the government to give you a straight answer internet-based discussion of any conspiracy is a futile endeavor.

You wind up having to go out and actually look at the real world to do things like check and see if you still have borders with Canada. Gaah!

EDIT: Or that it is in fact May 2008 and I still don't have a national ID card. This...is...tiresome...

I might as well add a whole section to my post on RFID. Nothing better to do this afternoon and I know useful things.

First, the government already knows your every move. Cell phones come with a locater function that is turned on by default. I know this because I'm the sort of nerd who will look at every single menu in his cell phone. I keep mine on because I have also heard that you can be triangulated with slightly less precision even with the locater function set to off and I can't afford to just smash the thing with a hammer.

I know RFID chips have a very limited range too; you have to be right next to them for the design philosophy of a signal-powered transmitter to work.

The bulky ones you see for Ez-Pass systems incorporate an internal battery and have much longer ranges. They're more like cell phones and can work at a few hundred yards.

Also, RFID chips can be hacked and clones with ludicrous ease because the small ones don't have room for proper security software...

Knowledge of the last three points comes from the fact that my dad hacks things for fun, fame and fortune.

[Compugasm]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer Apparently it's the second Zeitgeist movie so.. eh.

I like how it starts of with a true statement that we've all heard from George Carlin rants. It perfectly sets you up, to belive everything else they say is true... but then how would the "Amero" make the constituion obsolete? IMO, it just gets crazier and more speculative from there.

Also, how would an actual union be a bad thing? A whole continent with no fences, passports, border checks, NAFTA agreements...On one hand, it's argued America fails at negotiation and policy making... But if a union like this were actually considered, it would be nothing short of amazing... wouldn't it?

[xyzer]

Thanatos I'm having trouble following your contentions? Do you actually have any evidence of congressional legislation of this nature and magnitude? Do you have any concrete evidence there is a conspiracy in the Executive Branch to subsume the Senates Constitutional Duty of consent to foreign treaties? I think not or you could produce it?? Please show us the agreement that was signed in 2005 and prove it opens the path to the ridiculous assertions about the certainty of open borders, similar currency(Amero) and the like? Could it have been the trade agreement? ? Then show us where in the constitution that the president has any authority to enter into such an agrreement without legislative approval? I'm wondering what kind of firewater they sell up in New Hampshire?

I really hope your head wont explode. If it did we wouldn't have the satisfaction of reading your response?

[Thanatos]

Quote by: xyzer Thanatos I'm having trouble following your contentions? Do you actually have any evidence of congressional legislation of this nature and magnitude? Do you have any concrete evidence there is a conspiracy in the Executive Branch to subsume the Senates Constitutional Duty of consent to foreign treaties? I think not or you could produce it?? Please show us the agreement that was signed in 2005 and prove it opens the path to the ridiculous assertions about the certainty of open borders, similar currency(Amero) and the like? Could it have been the trade agreement? ? Then show us where in the constitution that the president has any authority to enter into such an agrreement without legislative approval? I'm wondering what kind of firewater they sell up in New Hampshire? I really hope your head wont explode. If it did we wouldn't have the satisfaction of reading your response?

I took your post to mean you did not believe Bush needed Congress's support and that the video was based upon a flawed understanding of the government.

Understandibly, this interpretation caused my jaw to drop in amazement and wonder at how one could be so uninformed. I am glad to see we're on approximately the same page after all.

[xyzer]

Understandibly, this interpretation caused my jaw to drop in amazement and wonder at how one could be so uninformed. I am glad to see we're on approximately the same page after

Glad we agree on something.
I'll add, that during an election year this crap is leaked or issued by partisans on a regular basis. It suggests that one of the candidates will do something about a non existent issue? The nastier the issue sounds the more the gullible voter will believe it?