America After Bush

[grandpa]

Not long ago, I thought that perhaps Bush would declare Martial Law and remain in the Whitehouse (call me paranoid or whatever, but it seemed fairly possible). However, that seems to be less of a prospect these days. Now it seems Bush will certainly be out and somebody will be in.

The question is: How might America recover after Bush? What initiatives might clear up our collective bloody nose?

Grandpa h.

[Sandy]

Life after Bush can only survive when our White House decides to play by the rules set up by Abraham Lincoln on the subject of torture. It would not hurt if the Congress would take their jobs more seriously and read through the Constitution before they vote on any action or bill.

Individual Freedoms must be restored and the Federal Government stop threatening to ban abortions and gay marriages. We must respect the sovereignty of other nations and especially our own. No more nation building and one world order crap.

The combination of a lazy Congress and a mentally challenged Presidernt destroyed our American reputation at home and abroad. He destroyed the Republican Party and brought in this Big Daddy knows best.

Many of you might need social guidance within your lives, but do not look to the federal government to set your moral values.

[Thanatos]

Leave Iraq, raise taxes to pay off the debt, restore the EPA and FDA to their pre-Bush effectiveness, and as Sandy said go back to a modicum of constitutionality.

The next president will also have to deal with crises that Bush has ignored, like breaking the stranglehold OPEC has on our economy and global warming. A serious push for alternative energy is the logical way forward.

Then there's healthcare, the credit crunch, social security...Bush has been ignoring a number of major crises that lack simple solutions. I like Obama's healthcare plan the best, but as near as I can tell nobody has a plan for social security other than ignore it until it runs out of money. Meh. I'm not old.

[Chaossaber314]

Much like life before Bush, nothing is going to change much. Fact is, and I know this angers some of you greatly, the vast majority of things the Bush admin have been crucified for are actually things that have been going on for decades. They're just not smart enough to hide it (CIA prisons) or simply stupid enough to try and get some of these things codified (Patriot Act).

[Rainbow]

Quote by: grandpa Not long ago, I thought that perhaps Bush would declare Martial Law and remain in the Whitehouse (call me paranoid or whatever, but it seemed fairly possible). However, that seems to be less of a prospect these days. Now it seems Bush will certainly be out and somebody will be in. The question is: How might America recover after Bush? What initiatives might clear up our collective bloody nose? Grandpa h.

I do not expect major changes, except for economy issues.

Exception :
- lobbyists No longer within the U.S. House
It would change a lot.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Chaossaber Much like life before Bush, nothing is going to change much.

LOLOLOL!!! You have got to be kidding. In life before Bush, we had a budget surplus, an all-time record economy, relative peace, and the respect and undisputed leadership of the free world.

Today we're in not one, but two unending quagmire wars, groaning under a massive budget deficit and inflation caused by a drowning dollar and skyhigh oil prices, the second recession of Bush's presidency, and are globally alienated and distrusted.

What exactly did you imagine was the same "before Bush" as "with Bush"???? The name of our country, perhaps?

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[Technosoul]

I think that the Hillary ideas will make important changes and we can recover our losses, even if Obama is the one to carry out the ideas he got from her and then pretended to have thought of them his self.

I see an short end to the war in Iraq and rethinking about Afganistan. I see some sort of reform to how we conduct health care in this country, a restructuring of how taxes are collected and how the federal budget is managed. A re-mapping for trade agreements with other countries and more jobs being effected here in the USA.

And a more humble relationship with the United Nations.

I would expect the biggest changes might take place in the make-up of those sitting in Congress and the Senate. (and the appointments of federal judges).

If for some stupid reason McCain is elected then I see no change in America as we get worse off for another 4 years.

The year 2012 is the time frame for the most important change as that will mark the end of fundamentalism as a dominating factor.

[Derek Wolff]

Bush seems to be the only one with sane reasonable immediate solutions. Jobs and Economic Growth

This recession is the result of Clinton's presidency, his work bearing fruit.

RealClearPolitics - Articles - The Bush Economy

Your reading articles like this:

The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush: Politics & Power: vanityfair.com

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Derek Wolff This recession is the result of Clinton's presidency, his work bearing fruit.

LOLOLOL!!! Great sources, Derek. A press release from the Whitehouse and an objective OpEd by that renowned economist, Karl Rove! Nope, No Bush League spin there!

Gawd, my sides are hurting!

Quote by: Derek Wolff Your reading articles like this:

Yeah... and? At least Joseph Steiglitz is an economist and a former member of the Council of Economic Advisers.

And blaming the current eonomic situation on Clinton is simply absurd, don't you think? I mean, we've had 7 years with a Republican President and 13 years with a Republican Congress. When did you suppose conservatives were going to stand up and take some responsibility for their actions, hmmmm?

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[Century 25]

Quote by: grandpa Not long ago, I thought that perhaps Bush would declare Martial Law and remain in the Whitehouse (call me paranoid or whatever, but it seemed fairly possible). However, that seems to be less of a prospect these days. Now it seems Bush will certainly be out and somebody will be in. The question is: How might America recover after Bush? What initiatives might clear up our collective bloody nose? Grandpa h.

Well gramp's.. sometimes things.. ah, well, here.. it has been said so eloquently by these little bits of wisdom:

"It ain't over till it's over." ( Yogi Berra )

..and:

"Shit happens!" (Unknown)

...plus:

"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." ( Sign hanging in Albert Einstein's office at Princeton."

I won't believe he's outta there until..

As for "possible" scenarios.. keep an eye on the Mid East.. maybe a little.. teeny-weeny ... "limited" nuclear fracas..?? heh-heh..


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[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: Sonart . LOLOLOL!!! You have got to be kidding. In life before Bush, we had a budget surplus, an all-time record economy, relative peace, and the respect and undisputed leadership of the free world. Today we're in not one, but two unending quagmire wars, groaning under a massive budget deficit and inflation caused by a drowning dollar and skyhigh oil prices, the second recession of Bush's presidency, and are globally alienated and distrusted. What exactly did you imagine was the same "before Bush" as "with Bush"???? The name of our country, perhaps? .

Please, Bush can be blamed for a lot, but not natural cycles in economics, especially ones that started before he was president, and the respect and leadership in the free world is part of the arrogance that gets us in the situation in the first place.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Century 25 Well gramp's.. sometimes things.. ah, well, here.. it has been said so eloquently by these little bits of wisdom: ..and: ...plus: I won't believe he's outta there until.. As for "possible" scenarios.. keep an eye on the Mid East.. maybe a little.. teeny-weeny ... "limited" nuclear fracas..?? heh-heh.. .

Among my many jobs I worked at this dock in Long Beach where they keep the boat which responds to oil spills, they keep a crew on duty night and day because we got oil wells off shore near the Queen Mary.

All the workers on the boat had Shell T shirts saying "shit happens".

I recall late at night we had this rather large seal that sat on the dock watching that boat. Hmm?

It would seem that the way Bush is trying to egg on Iran with those comments coming from his staff and his military commanders he put in charge that he might activate a last moment strike on Iran, and then claim he must stay in office during that state of war until it is resolved. I recall that might be possible somehow under law.

I should not even write this at all. But imagine this happening. Obama is about to get elected to office over McCain when suddenly someone shoots him down in plain view of cameras, and the Bush people suddenly have evidence that a terrorist from Iran did it. While riots break out here and Congress panics and the population is in total shock, the Bush people declair martial law and Bush determines he must stay in command as he directs an attack on Iran and orders the local police to control the homeland population under direction from the homeland security department who would have orders to "do what ever it takes".

Please note I just made all that up with my imagination and so there is no secret plot to do this that I know of.

If I can imagine it so could someone else. Or a simular plan to oust the democrats and force Bush to take control. Control over citizen reaction and control over external military objectives that some conservatives have had brewing for ages on the back burner.

Kinda scary eh? But we have a right to such speculatons due to their past record.

Now I do not really think that would happen to tell you the truth, but being prepared for any such poosiblity is not unwise. In case simular plot does not happen then at least we can make a Hollywood movie out of it. I think I know at least one poster who would rent that DVD to watch.

Anyone want to co-write the book and wanna-be movie. Title for book "Martial Law" a fictional drama ( inspired by a real President ).

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Sonart In life before Bush, we had a budget surplus, an all-time record economy, relative peace, and the respect and undisputed leadership of the free world.

Well yeah, if you define "surplus" as money leftover from a loan you have to pay interest on. Yeah, that's some "surplus".

Quote by: Sonart Gawd, my sides are hurting!

Synchronize your reality.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Please, Bush can be blamed for a lot, but not natural cycles in economics, especially ones that started before he was president, and the respect and leadership in the free world is part of the arrogance that gets us in the situation in the first place.

He can be blamed for the contiuation of known flawed policies, like GATT, NAFTA, the violation of those treaties, corporate outsourcing, and maintaining the lie that is the Federal Reserve.

[Thanatos]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Well yeah, if you define "surplus" as money leftover from a loan you have to pay interest on. Yeah, that's some "surplus".

What the heck are you talking about? The economy was booming. Bush was the one who started running the country on loans.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Thanatos What the heck are you talking about? The economy was booming. Bush was the one who started running the country on loans.

You need to learn the function of the Federal Reserve, and how the money used in Washington gets to Washington.


They operate on a loan secured from the Federal Reserve. The money leftover is not a surplus, indicating that they are spending within their budget, but an indication that you did not burn through all of the money Congress approved to borrow from the Federal Reserve. Which you then have to pay back.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Bush can be blamed for a lot, but not natural cycles in economics

I agree.
If the price of oil would continue to go up, then China is going to pay the price. That applies to Europe, as well, especially since Russia and Saudi Arabia can not pump more oil. Both states run at maximum of their technological means, resources, capacity, etc.

Question :
- who wants the price for oil to go up, guys ? :-)

[Milton Bradley]

Come to think of it, we can pin some of the blame on Bush, as he continues to let corporate America import vast, vast amounts of goods from hostle nations half way around the globe without tarrifs.


Shipping goods half way around the globe definately increases the need for oil, changes where those purchases go, and who is doing the purchasing.

[Thanatos]

Quote by: Milton Bradley You need to learn the function of the Federal Reserve, and how the money used in Washington gets to Washington. They operate on a loan secured from the Federal Reserve. The money leftover is not a surplus, indicating that they are spending within their budget, but an indication that you did not burn through all of the money Congress approved to borrow from the Federal Reserve. Which you then have to pay back.

That makes no sense. It also does not appear to be true. Who told you this?

[grandpa]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Come to think of it, we can pin some of the blame on Bush, as he continues to let corporate America import vast, vast amounts of goods from hostle nations half way around the globe without tarrifs. Shipping goods half way around the globe definately increases the need for oil, changes where those purchases go, and who is doing the purchasing.

In other words, blame Bush for engaging in free trade.

Grandpa h.