Is Lebanon headed for a Full-Scale Civil War?

[GHook93]

Gunbattles break out in Beirut - CNN.com

The Sunni and Christians vs Hezbollah. I believed it was envitable. Hezbollah wanted war in order to take over the whole country. They got it and its only a matter of time before Hezbollah opens up the Sunni and Christian Killing fields. And mass amounts of Lebanese citizens flea the country. Of course everyone will blame Israel like usual!

[GHook93]

11 killed as Hizbullah, Amal seize Beirut neighborhoods | Jerusalem Post

The Lebanese President is holed up in his office. Non-Hezbollah parlinament members are scrambling around the country for safety. Hezbollah has taken Beruit!

Is everyone ready for another authoritarian ideological government in the Middle East? How long after Hezbollah takes over does it tell Syria thanks but no thanks for you taking over? And why are people silent when its Arab on Arab war, then if Israel wars with someone? Very interesting.

[Rainbow]

It seems to indicate that some hard-core elements (within Arabic society) try to transform Lebanon into un-official Iranian governing body's political and military center, in case Palestine - as a state - would not materialize the way they see it.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Rainbow It seems to indicate that some hard-core elements (within Arabic society) try to transform Lebanon into un-official Iranian governing body's political and military center, in case Palestine - as a state - would not materialize the way they see it.

I think Iran supports Hezbollah, but I doubt they can control them to the extent that is protrayed.

[Chaossaber314]

I think the fact that the news outlets are more interested in reporting the Obama / Hillary - He said / She said than the fact that the Lebanese government is being militarily overthrown is quite telling.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 I think the fact that the news outlets are more interested in reporting the Obama / Hillary - He said / She said than the fact that the Lebanese government is being militarily overthrown is quite telling.

Very telling! Just good thing Britney Spears has done anything otherwise this story wouldn't have made the middle of the paper.

[Nono]

Jeez, you guys speak as if:

1) the Lebanese weren't regualarly massacring each other long before Hezbollah appeared on the radar;

2) Iran were the major foreign country interfering in Lebanese affairs (which it ain't by a long shot);

3) we hadn't been hearing repeated predictions of imminent civil war in Lebanon every time something bad happens there (except the place being flattened by the Israelis of course).

[GHook93]

Quote by: Nono Jeez, you guys speak as if: 1) the Lebanese weren't regualarly massacring each other long before Hezbollah appeared on the radar;

Always apologizing for terrorist! I never get the lefts thinking sometimes.

2) Iran were the major foreign country interfering in Lebanese affairs (which it ain't by a long shot);

They are arming to the teeth the terrorist radical force that is trying to take over the country. And see post #4 I stated I don't think Iran has control over Hezbollah's actions.

3) we hadn't been hearing repeated predictions of imminent civil war in Lebanon every time something bad happens there

They have been in a state of flux for a while, without a President. Hezbollah opposition politicians have been getting assassinated regularly, including the countries last President. Sh1t it was too long ago that Syria pulled out of Lebanon.

(except the place being flattened by the Israelis of course).

You European lefties are so predictable. If anything goes wrong in the Middle East blame the Jew. Sh1t if anything goes wrong in the world blame the Jews!

[Matt W]

Geez Ghook, don't you ever tire of ranting about the 'European Left'?

Would be a nice change to see you debate sometime....

[GHook93]

Quote by: Matt W Geez Ghook, don't you ever tire of ranting about the 'European Left'? Would be a nice change to see you debate sometime....

No rather I get tired of the European left claiming they are not the left rather they are the middle.

This is about Hezbollah, which is a fundamentalist organization, conducting a military coup in Lebanon. What is the left response! Appeasement (they been killing each other for years) and Blaming Israel, while letting Iran off the hook completely.

No what I am tired of is the European leftist hard-core anti-semitic views that they try to pass of as any but bigotry!

[Nono]

Quote by: GHook I get tired of the European left claiming they are not the left rather they are the middle.

Well, sonny, why don't y'all launch a thread on the subject, instead of jamming the frequency here with your off-topic rants.

Stick to the subject of Lebanon and the latest episode in Condoleezza's "birth pangs of a new Middle East".

[grandpa]

Quote by: Nono Well, sonny, why don't y'all launch a thread on the subject, instead of jamming the frequency here with your off-topic rants. Stick to the subject of Lebanon and the latest episode in Condoleezza's "birth pangs of a new Middle East".

Obviously, his tactics are disingenuous. "Of course everyone will blame Israel like usual!" he says. The statement assumes a huge amount of things. And he'll continue with more incoherent rants about "the left."

Grandpa h.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: GHook93 I think Iran supports Hezbollah, but I doubt they can control them to the extent that is protrayed.

I think you had better reconsider your view on that case.

Hezbollah is on the Iranian governing body's list, and that includes :
- financial
- military
- etc.
support.
That means, Hezbollah complies with and/or obeys with what the Iranian governing body says and/or requests and/or demands, since :
- the Iranian governing body Is the source for all the Hezbollah demands.
Therefore, the Iranian governing body Is the main political engine (behind the events in the Middle-East region), while Hezbollah is one of that engine's mechanisms and/or devices and/or tools and/or instruments and/or parts, etc.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Rainbow I think you had better reconsider your view on that case. Hezbollah is on the Iranian governing body's list, and that includes : - financial - military - etc. support. That means, Hezbollah complies with and/or obeys with what the Iranian governing body says and/or requests and/or demands, since : - the Iranian governing body Is the source for all the Hezbollah demands. Therefore, the Iranian governing body Is the main political engine (behind the events in the Middle-East region), while Hezbollah is one of that engine's mechanisms and/or devices and/or tools and/or instruments and/or parts, etc.

I am not saying they are not supported financially, economically and politically, but control I believe is over-blown. Once Hezbollah takes over Lebanon, is Syria going to give up its claim/desires to make Lebanon a part of Syria. If Syria tries to increase if clout over a Hezbollah ruled Lebanon and Hezbollah resists (these events are inevitable). If that happens is what does Iran do? See many people think of the middle east land dispute to be only between Israel and its neighbors, but Syria has long claimed Lebanon to be part of Syria, as Lebanon was under Ottoman Ruled Syria.

The Iranians have mass amounts of influence no doubt, but control over the rouge terrorist element is over-blown.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: GHook93 Once Hezbollah takes over Lebanon, is Syria going to give up its claim/desires to make Lebanon a part of Syria. If Syria tries to increase if clout over a Hezbollah ruled Lebanon and Hezbollah resists (these events are inevitable). If that happens is what does Iran do ?

Syria is (slowly but steadily) loosing its position and/or influence in Lebanon. That is why Syria is trying to regain its place (it used to have) there.
Iran assumes that with WMD (in its possession) it is going to strenghten hard-core Islamists position around and/or within the Middle-East region. The Iranian body could have endorsed that Syria's move for a while. It does not necessarily mean that the Iranian governing body would tolerate Syria's (eventual) rise. It has its limit, too, since Iran's vision is to rule the whole Middle-East region solely, instead.

The major objective is to :
- make political changes in Iran
If that will not materialize within acceptable time-frame, then Iran keeps continue its political ambitions, what results in a major conflict (most likely).
What does it mean ?
It resembles nothing but (upcoming) major military conflict, what would solve variety of issues up.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Rainbow Syria is (slowly but steadily) loosing its position and/or influence in Lebanon. That is why Syria is trying to regain its place (it used to have) there.

Hopefully Syria fails. Syrian involvement partially explains the archaic government system in
Lebanon.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: grandpa Hopefully Syria fails. Syrian involvement partially explains the archaic government system in Lebanon. Grandpa h.

Hopefully Syria falls? Are you serious? Assssad may be a lot of things, but at least he stabilized his country and they basically have a calmness with Israel. True there have been some scares, but not as close to war then with others. The Assssad regime might be allied with Iran and Hezbollah, but they are not founded on the fundamentals of radicalism in which they will sacrifice Syria in the name of Allah!

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 Hopefully Syria falls? Are you serious?

Yes. But please, think up an argument that supports your original (false)
assertion that Hezbollah alone is causing the problems.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: grandpa Yes. But please, think up an argument that supports your original (false) assertion that Hezbollah alone is causing the problems. Grandpa h.

Hezbollah, backed and influenced by Syria and Iran, are alone responsible for the escalation of tensions, civil unrest and the violent overthrow of a government!

[Nono]

Got a source for this remarkable claim?