Rightwing American Zionists:

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 You anything but a nationalist. You title says it all!

Exactly, so why accuse me of being one? Is it because I happen to agree with a minor point of some questionable character? That happens in life, and I'm not apologizing for it.

As for your second claim, that is also nonsense for reasons already stated. My other positions aren't affected by this one agreement with McDonald. Even if I somehow were a Nazi, it wouldn't invalidate anarchism as a general philosophy. It would invalidate me.

Grandpa h.

[Dagda]

[quote][Good picking the left-wing anti-semites to critize the right. Bravo! What is your next good author critizing Judaism, Hitler?
/QUOTE]
I may have misunderstood but are you comparing Hitler to the left wing? How can you possibly do that?

[Dagda]

Grandpa I must congradulate you for standding up for what you belive in especialy when faced with the namecallings of a group of people who have made up there mind that you are anti-semetic without bothering to concider your argument. Well done.

I understand why Isreal has acted agressivly toward the Arab world over the years. The Arabs have given them enough cause.
However, this does not excuse there treatment of the innocent Palistinians who where perfectly happy untill the guilty Powers of the 1940's decided to award the Jews with a peice of land that had not been theres for over 2000 years. The Palistinians have been pushed of a land they have as much right to as the Isrealis.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: dagda I may have misunderstood but are you comparing Hitler to the left wing? How can you possibly do that?

Because the world is divided into groups, good and evil. Since the left wing isn't good...

[shrike]

Quote by: grandpa Say what? I Grandpa h.

So you agree with his bigotry about American Jews?

f Mein Kampf addressed 2008, noting how prominent American officials would support Israeli actions, then yes I would have to agree.

The same thing said Hitler that the German Jews are to prominent in German politics. He would be happy to know that he has an ally here.

[shrike]

Quote by: dadga namecallings of a group of people who have made up there mind that you are anti-semetic without bothering to concider your argument

If the argument is based on bigotry and racism is not worth to consider.

[Dagda]

If the argument is based on bigotry and racism is not worth to consider.

But it is not. The argument quotes a bigot but the argument itself is not.
For example, I support Gaddafi's idea of a unified Africa being the best way forward. This does not mean I support Gadaffi(he's a buffon, in my opinion) I think the same can be seen in this argument.

[Dagda]

Because the world is divided into groups, good and evil. Since the left wing isn't good...

I would actully argue that good and evil does not exist as no-one does an act because it is evil, but because they think it is for the best.
Also, justify your answer-perhaps on a diffrent thread?

[shrike]

Quote by: dadga But it is not. The argument quotes a bigot but the argument itself is not

No it is.He generalized about American Jews "One must contemplate the fact that American Jews have managed to
maintain unquestioned support for Israel over the last thirty-seven
years,..."
He thinks that Jews is some kind of Cabal .Jews doesn't think the same. They are not Borg.
Some may support Israel, same may criticize its current actions and so on...

[Winter wind]

Quote by: dagda I would actully argue that good and evil does not exist as no-one does an act because it is evil, but because they think it is for the best. Also, justify your answer-perhaps on a diffrent thread?

I was being sarcastic, and giving what I thought was ghooks point of view.

Quote by: shrike No it is.He generalized about American Jews "One must contemplate the fact that American Jews have managed to maintain unquestioned support for Israel over the last thirty-seven years,..."

God, no one thinks I'm funny anymore. I was just kidding.

[shrike]

God, no one thinks I'm funny anymore. I was just kidding.

It was my mistake I quoted you instead dagda...

[Winter wind]

oh, hahahahaha. It looked funny for a response like that...

[Derek Wolff]

Give me a break. Palestinians are under Israel's little jack boots! Israel decided the debate before it had even begun.

In accordance with the Oslo Accords, the Palestinian Authority took over the administrative authority of the Gaza Strip (other than the settlement blocs and military areas) in 1994. After the complete Israeli withdrawal of Israeli settlers and military from the Gaza Strip on 12 September 2005, the Palestinian Authority had complete administrative authority in the Gaza Strip.

Gaza Strip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[grandpa]

Quote by: Dagda Grandpa I must congradulate you for standding up for what you belive in especialy when faced with the namecallings of a group of people who have made up there mind that you are anti-semetic without bothering to concider your argument. Well done.

Thanks. Some people are good at throwing accusations around. I'm sort of used to it. Of course, a philisophical argument is no substitute for evidence. Evidence indicates that many US politicians support Zionism. It's hardly a controversial statement, whatever the source.

My view is based on what happened and why, not on who.

Grandpa h.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: shrike If the argument is based on bigotry and racism is not worth to consider.

Really?


Isn't Isreal based on bigotry, and racism?

[grandpa]

Quote by: shrike So you agree with his bigotry about American Jews?

Where did I say that? Let's get something straight: I've also said harsh things about Islam. I've conceded, for example, that the term "Islamo-fascist" isn't much of an exaggeration. Does that mean I'm "bigoted" against Muslims and support wiping them off the face of the earth? By your standards, yes. And who knows, maybe in a few decades I actually would want to wipe all Abrahamic religious groups off the map. After all, religious feuds may pose a threat to my very survival.

My main point, though: I base my view on what happened and why, not on who.

Quote by: shrike The same thing said Hitler that the German Jews are to prominent in German politics.

No, it's not the same thing. Hitler said Jews are too prominent in politics AND that Germans need to take over the world. I never said that and, at least in what I quoted, neither did McDonald. Again, we're talking about American Jews, not German politics, and not even about McDonald's personal history. But it bears repeating: I've quoted all kinds of sources in my life, and I'm not going to apologize for the ideology of each author. The fact is, Zionism does influence politics in Washington DC.

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Isn't Isreal based on bigotry, and racism?

It is now, anyway. Keep in mind, the Zionist movement generally used to mean something else.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Really? Isn't Isreal based on bigotry, and racism?

Only in the warped anti-semite's mind. Its based all the freedoms that Americans enjoy. It allows free speech, petitioning the governorment and freedom of religion. Muslims (especially the woment) in Israel have far rights than any Middle Eastern or African nation. They even have affirmative action.

also learn to spell the countries name correctly, you have been bashing them unmercifully for years, maybe you should learn how to spell the name.

[Ibn_Sina]

Well, grandpa, Jews with conscience certainly think Israeli military occupation is worse than apartheid South Africa.

Read South African intelligence minister Ronnie Kasril's observations in the following article.

Israel 2007: worse than apartheid : Mail & Guardian Online

[Dagda]

It allows free speech, petitioning the governorment and freedom of religion. Muslims (especially the woment) in Israel have far rights than any Middle Eastern or African nation. They even have affirmative action.

This may or may not be so, but still does not excuse the fact that Israel treats the Arabs(not just Muslims) in the West Bank terribly when they have as much right to the land as the Israelis.