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Old May 6, 2008, 06:46 am   #1 (permalink) (top)
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the "Tie Breaker" primary

Today could be the day one Democratic canidate breaks ahead of the other one in his primary.

The expectation is that Obama will win one state by a good margin and that Hillary will win Indiana by a good margin. But if that does not happen and one canidate wins both states, the tie will be broken.

If this tie is not broken by the end of today (Tuesday 6th, O8) then we have no clear choice for who will be our next Presidential canadate to debate McCain. The race will continue into June and then perhaps the super deligates will have to determine the winner.
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Old May 6, 2008, 09:54 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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Okay now most of the votes have been counted and pundants are projecting that Clinton won Indiana by a small margin and that Obama won North Carolina by a large margin.

Now I just listened to Obama making his speech after winning in North Carolina. That speech is an sampling of what we can expect, this is what will excite the average Amreican to go Democratic.

In fact, it is perhaps the greatest political speech I ever witnessed so far (and I am an old dude). I must say the speech was better then those of Kennedy and any of the other speakers, perhaps equal to those of Martin King Jr.

This is making me rethink the idea that Clinton is the best canidate to beat McCain.

Obama has made the best speech.
Hillary has given out better details about her objectives.

Obama by all stats (not counting the two states not being seated) in deligates not including the super-deligates. Nationally they tie in popular votes with a tiny margin in favor of Obama.

But the speech he made today blew me right out of my chair. All I can say is "WOW!". It got into the spirit of this momentum to make America what is should be, once more, only better then before, for the average person.

I for one would not object to Obama becoming the next President. Later, If Hillary makes a speech, I will make comments on her words as well. (and will try to post a link to the Obama speech once it is posted on the net).

"Change, we can do it" is the sign being waved by Obama supporters.
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Old May 7, 2008, 01:55 am   #3 (permalink) (top)
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Although some news stations are saying the race in Indiana cannot be called as they await numbers from the black neighborhoods Hillary was ahead by a fair margin and made a speech to thank her supporters, she said she had won the "tie breaker" that the Obama camp had called a win in Indiana would be. She vowed to go all the way until every state has a chance to vote their say-so in the primary. She encouraged rule makers to find a way to count the states that broke the rules, as counting them would greatly favor her chances of keeping up with Obama.

She said about the same things as Obama did but with less passion and less confidence. She is hoping to present the Super Deligates with reasons to nominate her instead of Obama but now knows that the popular vote is even, she has won many of the most important states, but Obama has won the majority of states. The margins are small in the closeness of their winnings.

If the rules people somehow include the contested states that were banned for voting too early she could claim a possible tie.

If perchance Hillary got some strong wins during these remaining primaries she has a chance of the Supers going in her favor. But that option seems small for her at this time.

The most logical prediction is that Obama will be your next President, but do not count Hillary out until she sings the last note.
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Old May 7, 2008, 08:57 am   #4 (permalink) (top)
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Although some news stations are saying the race in Indiana
cannot be called as they await numbers from the black
neighborhoods Hillary was ahead by a fair margin and made
a speech to thank her supporters, she said she had
won the "tie breaker" that the Obama camp had called
a win in Indiana would be.
She vowed to go all the way until every state
has a chance to vote their say-so in the
primary.
What it may come down to is this: Obama and Clinton have a ton more money compared
to McCain.

John Edwards once said:

"Today under
George W. Bush, there are two Americas: one America that does the work, another
that reaps the reward. One America that pays the taxes, another America that
gets the tax breaks. One America—middle-class America—whose needs
Washington has long forgotten, another America whose every wish is Washington's
command."

Of course, all the candidates are still for the rich. A politician winning some primary is not our chance for redemption.

Grandpa h.


"For men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to
believe, but in proportion to their readiness to doubt."
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Old May 7, 2008, 09:56 am   #5 (permalink) (top)
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What it may come down to is this: Obama and Clinton have a ton more money compared
to McCain.

John Edwards once said:

"Today under
George W. Bush, there are two Americas: one America that does the work, another
that reaps the reward. One America that pays the taxes, another America that
gets the tax breaks. One America—middle-class America—whose needs
Washington has long forgotten, another America whose every wish is Washington's
command."

Of course, all the candidates are still for the rich. A politician winning some primary is not our chance for redemption.

Grandpa h.
Of course, that is a very depressive and negative viewpoint you've got there kid, why take such a "hopelss stand"? Prehaps you mind reading skills are getting a little rusty. Anyway John Edwards can speak for his self, he should know about that.
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Old May 7, 2008, 10:00 am   #6 (permalink) (top)
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Of course, that is a very depressive and negative viewpoint
you've got there kid, why take such a "hopelss stand"?
It may be a negative viepoint, but it's a realistic one. Of course, it's not part of a "hopeless stand." I simply find little hope in supporting a bunch of rich, elitist, power-hungry dupes.

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Old May 7, 2008, 10:03 am   #7 (permalink) (top)
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Here is his best speech

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
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