New twist to Obama/Wright - New Pastor just as BAD if not worse!

[GHook93]

Obama's new pastor quotes 'F--- AmeriKKKa' rap song
Uh-oh, here we go again: Meet Obama's new pastor

F--K American the AmeriKKKa

Otis Moss, the man slated to become the new chief pastor at the Trinity United Church of Christ, referenced a rap song during one of his recent sermons that includes among its lyrics "F--K America" and states the U.S. is "still with triple K" – referring to the white supremacist Ku Klux Klan.

US government planted AIDS in Black community

NPR interviewer Michelle Noris asked about Wright's statements regarding the spread of drugs and AIDS: "As part of a member of this new generation is that a concept that you embrace? That the government was involved in the distribution of drugs or in the spread of HIV and AIDS?" asked Noris. Moss replied: "Well, I think in terms of that particular narrative, I think we need to be very, very honest in terms of that our government has the ability to place a Hubble Telescope in the sky but yet we haven't had the political will to shut down drugs coming into our community. And from that perspective I think that's something we can look at in terms of policy. That we just have lacked the political will

Wright was lynched rather than stating that Wright was WRONG.

In his Easter sermon, Moss spoke at length about the media attention received by Wright. Moss claimed Wright was "lynched" by the international media

Blacks are lepers!

In another recent sermon, Moss said blacks are "lepers" with a "skin disease." "You see they still are lepers. They still have a skin disease. They had a skin disease. They had a skin disease. Based on their skin condition, they were considered to be second-class citizens. They had a skin issue. They had a skin disease. "And the lepers lived in a leper project. The lepers had bad health care. The lepers were disrespected. They had funny names for lepers. The lepers were considered inferior. They had an inferior school system. The lepers lived in a ghetto leper colony. The lepers were segregated from everybody else," he continued. Moss went on to imply those who segregated blacks are the "enemy."

The media distorts the image of Black (Surprised he didn't stat the Jewish controlled media):

Under Wright, Moss wrote in the Trinity church newsletter that American entertainment companies operate with contempt for the black community. "Currently, there are about eight companies controlling 90 percent of everything we hear, read, watch on television or view in the movie theater. These companies operate with contempt and disdain for the Black community," Moss wrote. He was introducing an article featured in the newsletter about the music industry and blacks.

Obama's comments on his new Pastor

Moss was lauded last week by Sen. Barack Obama as a "wonderful young pastor," "Well, you know, the new pastor – the young pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, is a wonderful young pastor. And as I said, I still very much value the Trinity community," stated Obama.

How many free passes is one guy going to get with his association with radicals, self-hating Americans and crooks.
(1) Pastor Wright - Obama I don't like him anymore, so its cool.
(2) Pastor Moss - The story hasn't broke yet so its cool.
(3) Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground - He did his terrorist acts a long time back; forget the matter he just recently stated he would do them again and denounced the government.
(4) Rezko - Well I will give his contributions to charity, so any of our personal business dealings don't matter.
(5) The Electronic Intifada - Before his campaign he went to fundraisers associated with the group. They are an Islamist propaganda network out of Chicago.
(6) Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi - A fundraiser tied to Islamic groups, such as Hamas.

[Winter wind]

Let it die for God's sake. If this is the major issue in America, I've lost faith in Americans.

Who cares so much about who is paster is? McCain's is just as racist, so was Nixon's. God, everyone has someone like that they know. It's just that Obama is applying for a job where grown men aren't given the benefit of the doubt. Where the character cops parade the word "values" in order to lead the electorate. It's, frankly, sad.

We expect our politician's lives to be flawless, and are shocked when we realize they hid something from us. American's can't deal with imperfection in their politicians, so they set such impossible expectations, that only down right liers can pass the test.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Winter wind Let it die for God's sake. If this is the major issue in America, I've lost faith in Americans.

Coming from someone who lives in China I will take that as a complement. If it was one shady person in his past then might be accpetable, but Obama has more and more of these character. You are the company that you keep

Who cares so much about who is paster is?

I guarantee more people would care if Clinton has a pasture that said we are for the White church, for the White Community and for White values that American is Blacamerica, Blacks bought HIV over to America to try to kill off the white race.
Would you consider this in the category of who cares? See the hyprocrisy.

McCain's is just as racist,

The is very disingenious and malicious slander!

so was Nixon's.

Are you stating that you would endorse another figure like Nixon for president?

God, everyone has someone like that they know. It's just that Obama is applying for a job where grown men aren't given the benefit of the doubt. Where the character cops parade the word "values" in order to lead the electorate. It's, frankly, sad.

Yet more of Obama's inner circle keep poping up.

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 Coming from someone who lives in China I will take that as a complement. If it was one shady person in his past then might be accpetable, but Obama has more and more of these character.

At what point does one loses or gain responsibility?
It's a tough question, largely because we're dealing with perception. If I were a prominent member of a Church, I would be partly responsible for its members. But how responsible?

But I'll secularize things a bit:
I have kept company with "shady people" in my past (haven't we all?). Should I be held accountable for everything they may say and do? Not really, at least not highly accountable. Maybe I can play a small role in rectifying things. I can try to take responsibility for the acts of others, but there's only so much credit one should be given.

Grandpa h.

[Morality Games]

If listening to pastors who are wildly "anti-American" is bad, listening to pastors who are wildly "pro-American" is also vomit. I can't stand being in the presence of either type. Those who tend toward moderation in their approach to history and culture are more bearable.

[GHook93]

For all the people that think who you associate with doesn't matter, what about Tony Zirkle? This guy claims not to be a Nazi yet he is speaking at a Nazi origanization event in honor of Hitler! Oh yea he is running for Congress in the fall Does he get a free pass, should we ignore this little mishap? I sure hope you say know. Ok Obama's church is not in the same ballpark as this Nazi group and Obama is not a racist, anti-semite or White hater, but you get the drift.

Ind. congressional candidate speaks at meeting honoring Adolf Hitler - On Deadline - USATODAY.com

A congressional candidate appeared last Sunday at a birthday party for Adolf Hitler. Yes, that Adolf Hitler. The one who brought us World War II and the Holocaust. "I told (WNDU-TV in South Bend, Ind.) in the beginning that I'd speak to any group that wanted me to speak," Tony Zirkle, a candidate for the Republican nomination in Indiana's 2nd district, tells The News-Dispatch, adding: "I'm keeping my promise. I'll speak to any group. (The National Socialist Workers Party) was interested in the targeting of white people for prostitution." The lawyer addressed 56 "white activists" at a meeting in Chicago, according to the paper, which published a photo that shows him standing in front of a large portrait of Hitler. We counted at least three swastikas in the photograph.

[GHook93]

Quote by: grandpa At what point does one loses or gain responsibility? It's a tough question, largely because we're dealing with perception. If I were a prominent member of a Church, I would be partly responsible for its members. But how responsible? But I'll secularize things a bit: I have kept company with "shady people" in my past (haven't we all?).

Not looking to make this personal, but you have very anti-american and anti-government view. I think you would be direct reflection of any shady person in your past.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Morality Games If listening to pastors who are wildly "anti-American" is bad, listening to pastors who are wildly "pro-American" is also vomit. I can't stand being in the presence of either type.

The very term "anti-American" is bad (or "vomit," as you put it). I have been accused of saying nothing with a lot of words, but no one ever said my statements were "pro-American." That's largely because I'm not a rightwing propagandist.

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 Not looking to make this personal, but you have very anti-american and anti-government view. I think you would be direct reflection of any shady person in your past.

Not really. I'm not going to address your simplistic attack, just your other premise.

I didn't receive a strict anti-authoritarian upbringing. My views aren't popular with literally everyone I know personally. Still, if the government goes on a with hunt, plenty of people could fall for things I've said. It reminds me of tactics employed in an "Under Siege" film. The terrorists didn't just shoot one rowdy hostage. They shot his neighbor. It was a lousy movie, but that's not the point. The point is one of fear, and that's what these political campaigns are all about: Fear, propaganda, and loyalty to the two-party state.

Grandpa h.

[Technosoul]

With all this current objection to Rev Wright it is odd that CNN news forgot they also did a report on that way back in the 1998.
CNN - AIDS conspiracy - Nov. 10, 1995

And so why did congress fund a program to find a biological weapon that can attack the immune system.

Why did they trace the start of AIDS to a African tribe that had recieved free flu shots from the W.H.O. As a gay person in the tribe moved to S.F. California.

Why, once AIDS started to spread did the building in Texas that had been contracted to develope that bio-weapon burn down myteriously and all their records likewise was distroyed?

Needless to say, stuff like that is bound to generate a conspiracy therory.

That theory continues to live on in respect to the black community, and Rev Wright is just one of many people to pass the potato.

The reason it continues to live on as a theory is because Congress refused to conduct an investigation into the matter.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Technosoul With all this current objection to Rev Wright it is odd that CNN news forgot they also did a report on that way back in the 1998. CNN - AIDS conspiracy - Nov. 10, 1995 And so why did congress fund a program to find a biological weapon that can attack the immune system. Why did they trace the start of AIDS to a African tribe that had recieved free flu shots from the W.H.O. As a gay person in the tribe moved to S.F. California. Why, once AIDS started to spread did the building in Texas that had been contracted to develope that bio-weapon burn down myteriously and all their records likewise was distroyed? Needless to say, stuff like that is bound to generate a conspiracy therory. That theory continues to live on in respect to the black community, and Rev Wright is just one of many people to pass the potato. The reason it continues to live on as a theory is because Congress refused to conduct an investigation into the matter.

. If I recall AIDS stated as the Gay Disease. I remember hearing a preacher on the news state it was God's wrath against the immoral of homosexuality.

Just because the African-American community has been struck hard with HIV doesn't mean the government planted it there. Many Whites live with HIV also. Percentage wise more blacks are infected than whites, but numbers wise more whites are effected than blacks. If the government tried to kill off blacks and not whites they did a pretty bad job. Its an insane theory!

[Domino]

Is Tony Zirkle supposed to get a slap on the wrist also?

I'd have to find out what he said, there. I like that he promised to speak to anyone, and that he's upholding that promise, but if he gave the standard political pandering, he needs to rethink his priorities. I'm sure there's plenty of good things that a good public servant could say to that group, on that occasion, but most such comments wouldn't fit the definition of "politics".

Of course, I know nothing of the guy other than this thread. Perhaps he's pure evil.

Back to the OP: guilt by association just doesn't fly with me. The previously stated "You are the company you keep" is a load of bs. I'm aware some people think these are valid grounds on which to judge a person's character, but I think most people know better.

By this standard, we can assume that Jesus was a whore, a taxman, a leper, and probably quite a few other unsavory characters.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: ghook Coming from someone who lives in China I will take that as a complement. If it was one shady person in his past then might be accpetable, but Obama has more and more of these character. You are the company that you keep

The governments aside, I've found that the people in China care about more importent issues then the people in America. Real democracy, real free speech, real economic issues for rural farmers and urban yuppies alike. (they may not be getting it, but they know what to care about)

In comparison, Americans care about Obama's crazy paster.

I guarantee more people would care if Clinton has a pasture that said we are for the White church, for the White Community and for White values that American is Blacamerica, Blacks bought HIV over to America to try to kill off the white race. Would you consider this in the category of who cares? See the hyprocrisy.

I would not care if she denounced him. Hell I wouldn't care if she never mentioned him. I don't care the McCain got an endorsement from a crazy paster as well. I just don't care.

The is very disingenious and malicious slander!

The paster who endorsed him, not McCain (I have respect for McCain).

guy named John Hagee.

"I’m very proud to have Pastor Hagee’s support."

Look him up.

Are you stating that you would endorse another figure like Nixon for president?

But nobody cared about his paster even though he was anti-semitic. even when he was getting advice.

Yet more of Obama's inner circle keep poping up.

Obama's inner circle? How well do you know your paster?

[grandpa]

Quote by: Winter wind The governments aside, I've found that the people in China care about more importent issues then the people in America. Real democracy, real free speech, real economic issues for rural farmers and urban yuppies alike.

Our system is increasingly managed and planned like China's anyway, so I'm not sure why ghook is on a high horse. Like China, or virtually any other authoritarian culture, America has plenty of enemies. It's been the Japanese, Vietnamese and the Koreans, now it's the Muslims.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Winter wind The governments aside, I've found that the people in China care about more importent issues then the people in America. Real democracy, real free speech, real economic issues for rural farmers and urban yuppies alike. (they may not be getting it, but they know what to care about)

Your making a huge generalization from the eyes of a 17 yr who has been sheltered in to the Real China.

In comparison, Americans care about Obama's crazy paster.

No that is what the media cares about, because its grabbing headlines.

I would not care if she denounced him. Hell I wouldn't care if she never mentioned him. I don't care the McCain got an endorsement from a crazy paster as well. I just don't care.

That is a load of crap getting an endorsement is a he11 of a lot different. If you want to go there look who endorsed Obama: The New Black Panther Party, Farahkan, Hamas etc. Endorsement are different then a person who the candidate calls his spiritial advisor. Its a disingenious leftist attack to try to put them on the same level.

The paster who endorsed him, not McCain (I have respect for McCain). guy named John Hagee. "I’m very proud to have Pastor Hagee’s support." Look him up.

I am very aware of Hagee. He only endorsed him. McCain never went to Pastor Hagee's Church, never called him his spiritual advisor and never called him a friend! The connection your trying to make in slander!



But nobody cared about his paster even though he was anti-semitic. even when he was getting advice.



Obama's inner circle? How well do you know your paster?

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 Your making a huge generalization from the eyes of a 17 yr who has been sheltered in to the Real China. No that is what the media cares about, because its grabbing headlines.

Why do you keep brining up his being from China?

As for the media: When it isn't out grabbing headlines, it's making them up on the spot.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Domino I'd have to find out what he said, there. I like that he promised to speak to anyone, and that he's upholding that promise, but if he gave the standard political pandering, he needs to rethink his priorities. I'm sure there's plenty of good things that a good public servant could say to that group, on that occasion, but most such comments wouldn't fit the definition of "politics".

Don't be so naive! The left don't even know what they are arguing for. Speaking to everyone, PLEASE. That is his excuse for going to a Nazi meeting in celebration of Hitler's birthday. Maybe that is something you in endorse, no?

He went there to speak about Blacks and Jews corrupting White Christian women via prostutition and porn! Like there are no White Christian porn stars or pimps. He also supports segregating the States moving the Black population to Native American like reservations. How good does your hero sound now?

Of course, I know nothing of the guy other than this thread. Perhaps he's pure evil.

That is obvious!

Back to the OP: guilt by association just doesn't fly with me. The previously stated "You are the company you keep" is a load of bs. I'm aware some people think these are valid grounds on which to judge a person's character, but I think most people know better.

Just curious how old are you? I would bet highschool?

By this standard, we can assume that Jesus was a whore, a taxman, a leper, and probably quite a few other unsavory characters.

Nope I see him as much worse!

[GHook93]

Quote by: grandpa Why do you keep brining up his being from China?

He lives in China no? He makes distorted comments and inference that the Chinese are superior to us not?

[Winter wind]

Quote by: ghook Your making a huge generalization from the eyes of a 17 yr who has been sheltered in to the Real China.

I'm beginning to regret being so open about my age.

I'm sorry, you don't get to make that comment because you have been more sheltered from China then I have. My mother works with grassroots groups and NGO in Mainland China as well as in Hong Kong. The people, urban populous especially, care about issues, free speech, environment, I met a blind man who was imprisoned for bringing forced abortions to light in China. These are the issues in China. China may white wash it, but I'll tell you one thing for certain, no one cares if a politician has girls on the side or a crazy mentor, all they care about is if he can do the job they want him to do.

America is one of the only places on earth were everyone's reaction to sex scandals is "Heavens to Betsy!". Competence is more importent world wide. Not the stuff people magazine publish.

And finally, prove I'm making a generalization if I'm so young.

No that is what the media cares about, because its grabbing headlines.

And who posted it on this site?

That is a load of crap getting an endorsement is a he11 of a lot different. If you want to go there look who endorsed Obama: The New Black Panther Party, Farahkan, Hamas etc. Endorsement are different then a person who the candidate calls his spiritial advisor. Its a disingenious leftist attack to try to put them on the same level.

Ah, but McCain said he was happy and still says he is happy he got the endorsement. You don't see that with Obama and his pastor.

I am very aware of Hagee. He only endorsed him. McCain never went to Pastor Hagee's Church, never called him his spiritual advisor and never called him a friend! The connection your trying to make in slander!

I'm friends with people with whom I don't share political values.
Maybe this pastor is a wonderful theologian. That would make him a valid spiritual adviser, but a crappy politician.
Plus, Obama disowned the pastor.
McCain didn't.

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 He lives in China no? He makes distorted comments and inference that the Chinese are superior to us not?

After you brought China up as an issue, yes. So, if I had to pick and choose, I wouldn't say he's the one making "distorted comments" here.

Grandpa h.