US Tax Code

[Kamehameha34]

I'm replying to an off-topic post of Helio's in the Phil&Relig forum. Didn't think I should further derail the thread.

Quote by: HelioPrime I always try to throw in tax examples. Never ceases to amaze me how many hardcore founding father lovers want a return to the constitution as written except for the part about the power to tax the people.

I know I'm pretty late replying to this, but the right the founding fathers gave the government was to levy taxes on goods and services rendered. That was the usage of the word at the time. The concept of an 'income tax' was introduced several years after the constitution was written.

You have to admit there's at least an inconsistency in the constitution after the 16th amendment (which, fyi, was enacted to cover the costs of the civil was - which I believe is over)... "Your life, liberty, and property are yours and you have sole individual rights to them all.. Oh, except for about half of that last one, we can take that whenever we want."

[Simonius]

Quote by: Kamehameha34 I'm replying to an off-topic post of Helio's in the Phil&Relig forum. Didn't think I should further derail the thread. I know I'm pretty late replying to this, but the right the founding fathers gave the government was to levy taxes on goods and services rendered. That was the usage of the word at the time. The concept of an 'income tax' was introduced several years after the constitution was written. You have to admit there's at least an inconsistency in the constitution after the 16th amendment (which, fyi, was enacted to cover the costs of the civil was - which I believe is over)... "Your life, liberty, and property are yours and you have sole individual rights to them all.. Oh, except for about half of that last one, we can take that whenever we want."

I personally feel that each tax should be directly linked to a service that you use. Otherwise it has the moral equivalency of fraud!

[Kamehameha34]

Correct, and I agree. The income tax is completely unnecessary.

[Anmon]

you don't have to pay it, there is no law saying you have too.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Anmon you don't have to pay it, there is no law saying you have too.

You can also refrain from paying it even there is such a law.

Grandpa h.

[Anmon]

Quote by: grandpa You can also refrain from paying it even there is such a law. Grandpa h.

lol thats what I do, when I see taxes being put to proper use, then I'll pay them.

[Simonius]

Quote by: Anmon you don't have to pay it, there is no law saying you have too.

There is in my neck of the woods.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Anmon lol thats what I do, when I see taxes being put to proper use, then I'll pay them.

I find it funny when people advocate taxes yet desire a "transparent" and "accountable" government. Well, if governance were to be transparent and accountable, you wouldn't be compelled to pay for it. You'd already be an integral part of the proces, and completely by your own volition.

Grandpa h.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Simonius There is in my neck of the woods.

theres not, its a scam by the federal reserve.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Anmon theres not, its a scam by the federal reserve.

Many are not understanding the function of money. It is both a legal and extralegal thing, much like the government itself. So the question needn't be "does such and such a law" exist. It could actually be about some very basic principles. In this case, it could be whether the federal reserve and taxation are absolutely necessary. No one needs a law to ask such simple questions, yet basic critical thinking is typically seen as an ultimate crime.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Kamehameha34 Correct, and I agree. The income tax is completely unnecessary.

Replace all taxes with the fair tax and get America on the right track.