Ron Paul gives Obama his blessing.

[Technosoul]

Today Ron Paul was on CNN and when asked which of the other three canidates he would prefer to win he said that he thought that Obama was closer to his own persepctive then then McCain or Hillary.

However Ron Paul is still actively running and McCain has not tied up things totally. His support base is constantly growing.

Today his book "The Revolution - a manifesto" just became the #1 best selling book at Amazon dot com. And is #7 in the New Yorker best selling book list.

Supporters are hoping his book will encourage more people to join his efforts to return to a more consitutional form of government.

Amazon.com: The Revolution: A Manifesto: Ron Paul: Books

As Ron Paul is still in the race his approval of Obama was not an offical endorsment. Paul said that party and party unity is not as important then the individual platforms and voting records, and Republicans need to know what they believe in before they can again function properly, and McCain does not know what that is.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Technosoul Today Ron Paul was on CNN and when asked which of the other three canidates he would prefer to win he said that he thought that Obama was closer to his own persepctive then then McCain or Hillary. However Ron Paul is still actively running and McCain has not tied up things totally. His support base is constantly growing. Today his book "The Revolution - a manifesto" just became the #1 best selling book at Amazon dot com. And is #7 in the New Yorker best selling book list. Supporters are hoping his book will encourage more people to join his efforts to return to a more consitutional form of government. Amazon.com: The Revolution: A Manifesto: Ron Paul: Books As Ron Paul is still in the race his approval of Obama was not an offical endorsment. Paul said that party and party unity is not as important then the individual platforms and voting records, and Republicans need to know what they believe in before they can again function properly, and McCain does not know what that is.

Do you have a link to back up that claim?
I find that very hard to believe, because everything Obama stands for is the direct opposite of what Ron Paul claims to stand for. Except of course the war! But what about Obamas increase in taxes and spending, UHC, plan to be more active in the Sudan and Pakistan?

[Jack]

Odd, considering what he said about Obama in March.
YouTube - CNN - Ron Paul calls Obama a Fraud (3/10/08)

[Technosoul]

Quote by: GHook93 Do you have a link to back up that claim? I find that very hard to believe, because everything Obama stands for is the direct opposite of what Ron Paul claims to stand for. Except of course the war! But what about Obamas increase in taxes and spending, UHC, plan to be more active in the Sudan and Pakistan?

Sorry I am posting this ahead of other internet sources. If you have CNN channel you try an catch a replay of the "situation room" where the interview was aired. Perhaps tomorrow or the day after CNN will update
their webpage to include todays Ron Paul interview which was mostly about his new book. Ron Paul said that the war in Iraq is the most important issue right now and that Obama he favors due his early stand not to go to war and because of his current plan to end the war, where as McCain and Bush would perhaps prolong the war longer the Obama.

In contrast, Liz Taylor came out in support of Hillary Clinton. (big deal eh?). Ron Paul will remain in the race as long as the people continue to work on his behalf and because he now has money in the bank to carry on. But many independants how now support Paul might shift to Obama in the last election because of this interview.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Jack Odd, considering what he said about Obama in March. YouTube - CNN - Ron Paul calls Obama a Fraud (3/10/08)

Paul still objects that Obama voted to support funding for the war after his first policy of not going to war. But concidering the voting records of all the canidates in the top running positions (other then his self) he thinks that Obama is the best ( of three evils?). He also feels that Obama's message of change is refreshing as Paul is also for change.

And on the far side of that Moore the movie maker is in favor of Obama.
As well as the radical girl (Huffington "whatever her name is). The Guam vote is tonight and they have 4 deligates which are needed by both Democrats.

The Rev Wright is still slient, and so Obama might pull off a close tie with Hillary in the next 3 primary states (including Guam in that count).

Not sure my self which of the super-underdogs will win.

If McCain has a big health problem before June or for some other reason lost his strong support then that would leave Ron Paul as the only still active Republican canidate. But no doubt Edwards would try to re-enter.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: GHook93 Do you have a link to back up that claim? I find that very hard to believe, because everything Obama stands for is the direct opposite of what Ron Paul claims to stand for. Except of course the war! But what about Obamas increase in taxes and spending, UHC, plan to be more active in the Sudan and Pakistan?

I was just about to bring this up.

Additionally all this tripe about Obama being against the war early on is getting old. He wasn't even in the senate in 2003. It's real easy to be for or against something you didn't even have to vote on.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 I was just about to bring this up. Additionally all this tripe about Obama being against the war early on is getting old. He wasn't even in the senate in 2003. It's real easy to be for or against something you didn't even have to vote on.

Interesting. It could be that Obama's desire to unite with everyone overpowered him and that ended up uniting him with the Bush war effort? He seems to go with the flow, now that the war in Iraq is so unpopular he is going with that flow. Would such a person be influenced by every poll that surfaced when President? Not sure if that is a good thing or not? The same thing happen with his opinon about Rev Wright. Is his "good judgement" rooted in polls or is he a real and individual thinker and are the other canidates doing a simular thing?

[The Dunedan]

And this, folks, is how rumours get started.

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time - Blogs from CNN.com

"Instead, Paul favors Sen. Barack Obama because of positions on foreign policy. “But that’s doesn’t mean that’s an endorsement,” Paul quickly added."

[Technosoul]

Quote by: The Dunedan And this, folks, is how rumours get started. CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time - Blogs from CNN.com "Instead, Paul favors Sen. Barack Obama because of positions on foreign policy. “But that’s doesn’t mean that’s an endorsement,” Paul quickly added."

I stated that in my O.P. and so no false rumors could have gotten started due to my posting here. Thanks for posting the link which was not active yet when I frist created this post.

[Osborn F Enready]

Techno, that claim at the title of this thread IS BULLSHIT.

I watched the interview on CNN, and he NEVER SAID HE SUPPORTED OBAMA....and explicitly said he IS NOT ENDORSING ANY OF THEM.

Why lie.... it only makes you look bad when the truth comes out.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Techno, that claim at the title of this thread IS BULLSHIT. I watched the interview on CNN, and he NEVER SAID HE SUPPORTED OBAMA....and explicitly said he IS NOT ENDORSING ANY OF THEM. Why lie.... it only makes you look bad when the truth comes out.

I think calling techno a liar is a little harsh and misguided. Since he is a Clinton supporter, his reason to lie is would not make sense.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Techno, that claim at the title of this thread IS BULLSHIT. I watched the interview on CNN, and he NEVER SAID HE SUPPORTED OBAMA....and explicitly said he IS NOT ENDORSING ANY OF THEM. Why lie.... it only makes you look bad when the truth comes out.

He clearly indicated that he did not fully approve of any of them but out of the three of them he thought Obama would be the best choice if you are going to vote for one of those three people. He suggest that he would rate McCain as the worse choice relative to Clinton.

So take out your earplugs next time you watch the video.

Being Paul is still the only active Republican canidate other then McCain it is clear that the Republican party is more split then are the Democrats, who at least have simular objectives. To end the Iragi war which Paul is also in favor of.

Here is the video

YouTube - CNN: Ron Paul in Situation Room - Book Bomb 5/2/08

[Technosoul]

Quote by: GHook93 I think calling techno a liar is a little harsh and misguided. Since he is a Clinton supporter, his reason to lie is would not make sense.

Not really, the Pope blesses people all the time that does not mean that he agrees with every thing they do or say. I used the word "blessed" not the word "endorced" and the video clearly drew that same difference.

And it is a total deception to suggest that a particular canidate never told a lie. They all have told a fib or a half-truth now and then. If you really think you can find one person who never told a fib over the age of 18 then you are living in illusionville.

Also you are not keeping up with my last endorsment. I am now supporting Obama for President if Clinton can be the Vice President.
Otherwise I am sitting on the fense between them along with the 50-50 population of the Democratic majority.

Ron Paul should demand more debates with McCain as the last underdog of his party still in action.

Ron Paul knows that his base support is largely young people who are somewhat educated and attending collages and universities. He shares that base with Obama and is not about put down any group that is for a change from the same-o same-o politics in Washington DC.

It is almost (in my opinon) as if Obama and Paul have created a new "party within the parties" of independants for change. A kind of "invisible party" within other parties but yet apart form the other party in how they wish to move forward.

However they differ somewhat on how to change our direction, and it would be super-great if we could have a one-on-one debate between Obama and Paul to see the diversity or the unity of those two men would result as being, and who would win popular support. That debate would be aired in a collage or university and young people would be the only ones allowed to ask questions. Such a debate would have a giant audiance and would become a legendary debate for u-tube. (you tube).

Us old folks might learn a few things via such a debate. That would be the most exciting and interesting debate of all time.

Meanwhile Obama is now a little ahead of Clinton in winning the Guam primary - but the largest town is still counting votes and so we are still waiting that one out.

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Obama holds Guam lead with largest precincts still to be tallied « - Blogs from CNN.com

That island has 4 deligates to be awarded, and nowadays every delgate counts.

[Osborn F Enready]

Techno said: He clearly indicated that he did not fully approve of any of them but out of the three of them he thought Obama would be the best choice if you are going to vote for one of those three people.

That, I may agree with, after you put in your qualification remarks, that I underlined. That is not what you said initially, hence my statement.

Techno said: He suggest that he would rate McCain as the worse choice relative to Clinton.

Agreed, and I did watch it, which is how I knew what you said and started this thread with was INaccurate.

Thank you for your correction.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Technosoul Also you are not keeping up with my last endorsment. I am now supporting Obama for President if Clinton can be the Vice President. Otherwise I am sitting on the fense between them along with the 50-50 population of the Democratic majority.

Jumping to the winning side huh?

Ron Paul should demand more debates with McCain as the last underdog of his party still in action.

Why the hell would McCain debate him? Your "new" candidate won't even debate Clinton and they are still in a contested race. RP is in the race in spirit only. Heck that was what he was like from the beginning. Ron Paul has som very very valid points (that is if the porker practices what he preached), but RP was never really in the race. Still only 14 delegates! That is well dwarfed by Huckabee and Romney. 2 guys that have been out of the debate for a while. On top of that McCain wrapped up the nomination a while back.

Ron Paul knows that his base support is largely young people who are somewhat educated and attending collages and universities.

It wasn't that large after-all and the well educated part is very debatable.

He shares that base with Obama and is not about put down any group that is for a change from the same-o same-o politics in Washington DC.

They are polar opposites politically except on the war; therefore, if they share a base, then either RP voters weren't educated or considered him only a 1 trick pony.

However they differ somewhat on how to change our direction, and it would be super-great if we could have a one-on-one debate between Obama and Paul to see the diversity or the unity of those two men would result as being, and who would win popular support. That debate would be aired in a collage or university and young people would be the only ones allowed to ask questions. Such a debate would have a giant audiance and would become a legendary debate for u-tube. (you tube).

You understand nothing about RP if you think they only differed "somewhat." Would Obama been OK with doing away with the federal reserve and going back to the gold standard? Would Obama have been alright with cutting all social welfare programs? Would Obama be alright with giving up his dreams of UHC? Would Obama be alright with remaining idle in the face of the genocide in Sudan? Just to name a few.

Us old folks might learn a few things via such a debate. That would be the most exciting and interesting debate of all time.

Your mind is set on the D's! McCain nor the Republicans would benefit so its would be stupid for him to commit to it.

Meanwhile Obama is now a little ahead of Clinton in winning the Guam primary - but the largest town is still counting votes and so we are still waiting that one out.

4 delegates is not going to change anything and it turned out to be a tie!
It is only good for a moral victory

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Obama holds Guam lead with largest precincts still to be tallied « - Blogs from CNN.com

[Technosoul]

Quote by: GHook93 Jumping to the winning side huh? Why the hell would McCain debate him? Your "new" candidate won't even debate Clinton and they are still in a contested race. RP is in the race in spirit only. Heck that was what he was like from the beginning. Ron Paul has som very very valid points (that is if the porker practices what he preached), but RP was never really in the race. Still only 14 delegates! That is well dwarfed by Huckabee and Romney. 2 guys that have been out of the debate for a while. On top of that McCain wrapped up the nomination a while back. It wasn't that large after-all and the well educated part is very debatable. They are polar opposites politically except on the war; therefore, if they share a base, then either RP voters weren't educated or considered him only a 1 trick pony. You understand nothing about RP if you think they only differed "somewhat." Would Obama been OK with doing away with the federal reserve and going back to the gold standard? Would Obama have been alright with cutting all social welfare programs? Would Obama be alright with giving up his dreams of UHC? Would Obama be alright with remaining idle in the face of the genocide in Sudan? Just to name a few. Your mind is set on the D's! McCain nor the Republicans would benefit so its would be stupid for him to commit to it. 4 delegates is not going to change anything and it turned out to be a tie! It is only good for a moral victory CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Obama holds Guam lead with largest precincts still to be tallied « - Blogs from CNN.com

Paul was comparing his idea not to have a war in Iraq with the viewpoints of Obama. The domestic issues were not what he was indicating when he "in spirit only" suggested that Obama was originally close to his idea about that war.

In spite of what you said that debate would be popular and interesting, although I agree it will never happen.

How do you like the title for my new post about the Guam Primary win?
I used that title just because of your objective nature. My eye-catching headline read "Obama wins primary by only 7 votes".

Of course I will unite behind the winner in the Democratic primary, what else did you expect? The idea is not to stop Clinton or Obama, it is to stop McCain and to prevent another four years of Bushism policy.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Technosoul Paul was comparing his idea not to have a war in Iraq with the viewpoints of Obama. The domestic issues were not what he was indicating when he "in spirit only" suggested that Obama was originally close to his idea about that war.

Of course, Obama views the Iraq War as only a blunder, as if forcing UN inspectors out of Iraq was merely an "oops!" moment. And the Democrats in power won't necessarily withdraw from Iraq.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Technosoul Paul was comparing his idea not to have a war in Iraq with the viewpoints of Obama. The domestic issues were not what he was indicating when he "in spirit only" suggested that Obama was originally close to his idea about that war. In spite of what you said that debate would be popular and interesting, although I agree it will never happen. How do you like the title for my new post about the Guam Primary win? I used that title just because of your objective nature. My eye-catching headline read "Obama wins primary by only 7 votes". Of course I will unite behind the winner in the Democratic primary, what else did you expect? The idea is not to stop Clinton or Obama, it is to stop McCain and to prevent another four years of Bushism policy.

If you remember the Republicans were brought into power in order to get us out of Vietnam. Yet they didn't do such a good job of that. The Democrats are pledging to pull out of Iraq, but how does the saying go don't count your chickens before they hatch. Don't assume there is a pull out until it happens.

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 If you remember the Republicans were brought into power in order to get us out of Vietnam. Yet they didn't do such a good job of that.

America isn't doing such a good job of anything, really. You don't actually solve problems by blowing them up.
Things are getting worse. Look even at Afghanistan. Thanks to US military might, more and more Muslims might agree with the following words of Mir Dost, an Afghan national who lives in Miram Shah, Pakistan:
"Everyone says Afghans have become Americans,
so it is the duty of Muslims to kill them."
Afghan soldiers face terror on the job | csmonitor.com

Things are only getting more wildly and stupidly out of control.
Still, both parties retain the "go in and fire at will" mentality.
And, unfortunately, it's not like the attitude can only operate outside the U.S. For example, drug war agents have actually conducted war operations against American citizens:
Military Takes Part in Drug Sweep And Reaps Criticism and a Lawsuit - New York Times

Both parties still use hardline rhetoric, not just on Iraq, but on Iran...even though much of it remains lies and half-truths.

Iraqi official says Iran arms evidence not conclusive A top Iraqi official said Sunday there was no conclusive evidence that Shiite extremists have been directly supplied with some Iranian arms as alleged by the United States. Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said Iraq does not want trouble with any country, "especially Iran."

Clearly, this is far from being in everybody's interests.

Grandpa h.

[Technosoul]

Whatever the case. Voters will pick the person most likely to bring the troops home.

Home from Iraq but also home from Korea, Germany, and all those other places we continue to hang out in even generations after a war is over and done with. The capture for what Bin Laden organized agenst the USA will not be done with ground troops in Afganistan. (perhaps with undercover agents and good spying?). Meanwhile we have unlawful drugs coming in over the sourthern borders as well as a massive amount of people who do not wish to, or cannot, go through the normal ways to gain legal migrationm, which is putting a strain on our economy in some respects, but we have no national guards to control that problem due to the fact they are all in Irag.

The billions of dollar generated as oil profits in Iraq have vanished and not gone to aid the people in Iraq nor did it bring down the cost we pay here at the pumps. Due to coruption in the Iragi government and within Halliburton, the private contractor.

Now Bush is sending Mexco one billion (plus) dollars to conduct a war on drugs in TJ, and other boarder cities. Pork for Mexico ( and some of that money and the arms supplied will end up in the hands of drug dealers due to the coruption in Mexco where they refused to have us overview how the money is spent.

Just to cut down on people smoking weed and so forth. But it is the people of the USA who WANT to consume that junk and yet we are going to attack the people who only wish to take advantage of our addictions. As jails overflow to the max and as we continue to bust people who's police records will make them less employable as citizens from now on...sparking more reasons for crime to manifest.

Rev Wright almost had it right, only people when bitter do not reach for guns or religion here, they reach for guns or drugs. Where can it ever all end? Not with this election that is for sure.

Not unless people get out of the box and start to think about massive changes in how we think.