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Technosoul · Apr 29, 2008, 05:12 pm

Obama was clearly upset that the Rev Wright hogged up three days of news time to with his antics and for messing up his election bid to be a President. "This is not the same man I once knew" Obama disclosed, "his viewpoints are not shared by me, concerning the AIDS conspiracy, concerning the claim that America is acting like terrorists, and so forth" Obama said. Obama made it clear that nothing that Rev Wright is saying has anything to do with his own viewpoints, background beliefs, or the direction from which his party will take. In effect, Obama is walking out on Rev Wright's "comeback".

The paradox is that Obama is bitter about the antics of Rev Wright during this weekend (right before the next big primary) and he cannot reach for his fomer religion for security. ( nor his gun, if he has one).

So this means that the next couple of days will be spent by news pundants who will talk about how Obama is trying to do damage control concerning the preacher man. More loss time where his message of change and unity will be pushed into the background. More wasted time defending his self from Rev Wright instead of talking about how he wants to improve things in America. What a big mess. And of course the news people fell in love with the Rev Wright because he is so entertaining and radical sounding. Even Carter had to defend his self from a Wright statement during his interveiw on the Larry King show.

What I see here is a generation gap within the black community, the old time folks who experienced the 50s and 60s know where the Rev Wright is coming from, but the younger generation is taking part in some the changes that evolved out of the Martin King Jr days of old. The African Americans have a lot more respect nowadays with leading roles in movies, sports, business, politcs, and on CNN news. Obama belongs to the new generation where as Wright belongs to the "old school".

Bridging that gap will not be an easy one.

thedude · Apr 29, 2008, 07:28 pm

I'm not entirely sure that the gap is as wide as we would like to think. I think it takes more than a few decades and a half-generation to heal the Black Community, especially with bi-annual agitationsand reminders that overt racism is alive and kicking (Rodney King, the groom shooting aquittal, Jena, etc.)

That and the powerful presence of the elders whose experiences with MLK and the civil rights movement are first-hand.

As far as the actual relative worth of Rev. Wright when choosing the next president, you're right. It's tabloid. Slapstick. CNN's chance to take another step closer to an aspiring TMZ.

another day · Apr 29, 2008, 10:02 pm

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What I see here is a generation gap within the black community, the old time folks who experienced the 50s and 60s know where the Rev Wright is coming from, but the younger generation is taking part in some the changes that evolved out of the Martin King Jr days of old. The African Americans have a lot more respect nowadays with leading roles in movies, sports, business, politcs, and on CNN news. Obama belongs to the new generation where as Wright belongs to the "old school".

Umm, this is just not true. The gap simply lies between black people and one whitewashed black dude who has to watch what he says/believes because he's running for president.

If you don't think much of the black youth today agrees with Wright you're likely mistaken. You could find his views mirrored in a bout a million rap songs.

grandpa · Apr 30, 2008, 10:26 am

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Quote by: another day

Umm, this is just not true.
The gap simply lies between black people and one whitewashed
black dude who has to watch what he says/believes
because he's running for president.

Actually, in this case, he has to watch what others near him say.

Grandpa h.

Technosoul · Apr 30, 2008, 11:15 am

Well then and based on what posters here have said so far he could start to loose the black voter block vote, as well as young people who are into rap music. Indiana is influenced by radio form up north (out of Chicago - truff of Rev Wright).

Is Obama under-estimating the influence of Rev Wright on the African American community, I mean the man is not really telling big lies and everyone gripes about our government here in Amreica, it is our number one passtime. The Rev is like the "unseen super deligate".
Meaning not a deligate but someone who people listen too. Obama put Wright down for mentioning the AIDS conspiracy and yet Bill Crosby who is dearly loved also said the same thing as Rev Wright.

Is Obama really in touch with the thinking of the mainstream community of Black America? Do the average black person agree that discrimination is something "historical" as Obama discribed it?

The Rev Wright said that people who are different are not less or lower, just different. How can the bottom line be called "hate speech"?

And how come Hillary Clinton and McCain are not aware of the reasons why the Rev Wright is speaking out? Since when is "telling it like it is" so anti-American in nature?

What's more, if Obama gets on the bad side of Wright then the Rev will just keep on talking, so I hople Obama did not confess any sins to his preacher because the cat could get out of the bag.

But all and all, I cannot blame Obama for being upset about all this, as he was doing just fine until that unexpected moment popped up to mess up his ball game. Something he totally did not expect to happen and was unprepared for.

I fear the message that he will unite everyone is starting to fall apart early on, even before the normal honeymoon that politics so allows for. The unity of Democratic Party is split 50-50 (nearly) and now he must seperate his self from unity with his fomer church, and he still has not gotten even close to dealing with the Republicans.

In a way it is sad, and we can even feel sorry for the fellow, because he does have some pie in the sky dreams and he is a great speaker of promises. And can lay out some practical detail about his programs and can speak with intelligence on a number of things that matter to voters.

But he has a torn in his side called Rev Wright. the Rev has two master degrees, spent six years like McCain in the military fighting for America. The Rev has been involved in a lot more social programs to help people then has Obama, as well as international peace keeping missions.

Technosoul · Apr 30, 2008, 11:23 am

To continue.... Obama has debated Clinton and might end up debating McCain. But what about the debate happening within the African American community over this riff between Obama and Rev Wright? Obama must debate Wright also in addition to the regular canidates.

And so I propose that CNN should arrange for a special TV debate between Obama and Wright to see who will win the hearts and minds of the Black community. It is important for the Super Deligates to know what the outcome would be before they pick him for the general elections.

What side is Jessie Jackson on when it comes to the debate between Wright and Obama? And other leaders of thier community? We gotta know so we can put our best person in the front line when it comes to defeating McCain.

So I hope CNN gets busy to arrange that debate. The baptism in fire debate is what I will call it.

Apr 29, 2008, 05:12 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	Obama bashes Rev. Wright Obama was clearly upset that the Rev Wright hogged up three days of news time to with his antics and for messing up his election bid to be a President. "This is not the same man I once knew" Obama disclosed, "his viewpoints are not shared by me, concerning the AIDS conspiracy, concerning the claim that America is acting like terrorists, and so forth" Obama said. Obama made it clear that nothing that Rev Wright is saying has anything to do with his own viewpoints, background beliefs, or the direction from which his party will take. In effect, Obama is walking out on Rev Wright's "comeback". The paradox is that Obama is bitter about the antics of Rev Wright during this weekend (right before the next big primary) and he cannot reach for his fomer religion for security. ( nor his gun, if he has one). So this means that the next couple of days will be spent by news pundants who will talk about how Obama is trying to do damage control concerning the preacher man. More loss time where his message of change and unity will be pushed into the background. More wasted time defending his self from Rev Wright instead of talking about how he wants to improve things in America. What a big mess. And of course the news people fell in love with the Rev Wright because he is so entertaining and radical sounding. Even Carter had to defend his self from a Wright statement during his interveiw on the Larry King show. What I see here is a generation gap within the black community, the old time folks who experienced the 50s and 60s know where the Rev Wright is coming from, but the younger generation is taking part in some the changes that evolved out of the Martin King Jr days of old. The African Americans have a lot more respect nowadays with leading roles in movies, sports, business, politcs, and on CNN news. Obama belongs to the new generation where as Wright belongs to the "old school". Bridging that gap will not be an easy one.

Apr 29, 2008, 07:28 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
thedude Sedimentary Rock Posts: 6	I'm not entirely sure that the gap is as wide as we would like to think. I think it takes more than a few decades and a half-generation to heal the Black Community, especially with bi-annual agitationsand reminders that overt racism is alive and kicking (Rodney King, the groom shooting aquittal, Jena, etc.) That and the powerful presence of the elders whose experiences with MLK and the civil rights movement are first-hand. As far as the actual relative worth of Rev. Wright when choosing the next president, you're right. It's tabloid. Slapstick. CNN's chance to take another step closer to an aspiring TMZ.

Apr 30, 2008, 11:15 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	Well then and based on what posters here have said so far he could start to loose the black voter block vote, as well as young people who are into rap music. Indiana is influenced by radio form up north (out of Chicago - truff of Rev Wright). Is Obama under-estimating the influence of Rev Wright on the African American community, I mean the man is not really telling big lies and everyone gripes about our government here in Amreica, it is our number one passtime. The Rev is like the "unseen super deligate". Meaning not a deligate but someone who people listen too. Obama put Wright down for mentioning the AIDS conspiracy and yet Bill Crosby who is dearly loved also said the same thing as Rev Wright. Is Obama really in touch with the thinking of the mainstream community of Black America? Do the average black person agree that discrimination is something "historical" as Obama discribed it? The Rev Wright said that people who are different are not less or lower, just different. How can the bottom line be called "hate speech"? And how come Hillary Clinton and McCain are not aware of the reasons why the Rev Wright is speaking out? Since when is "telling it like it is" so anti-American in nature? What's more, if Obama gets on the bad side of Wright then the Rev will just keep on talking, so I hople Obama did not confess any sins to his preacher because the cat could get out of the bag. But all and all, I cannot blame Obama for being upset about all this, as he was doing just fine until that unexpected moment popped up to mess up his ball game. Something he totally did not expect to happen and was unprepared for. I fear the message that he will unite everyone is starting to fall apart early on, even before the normal honeymoon that politics so allows for. The unity of Democratic Party is split 50-50 (nearly) and now he must seperate his self from unity with his fomer church, and he still has not gotten even close to dealing with the Republicans. In a way it is sad, and we can even feel sorry for the fellow, because he does have some pie in the sky dreams and he is a great speaker of promises. And can lay out some practical detail about his programs and can speak with intelligence on a number of things that matter to voters. But he has a torn in his side called Rev Wright. the Rev has two master degrees, spent six years like McCain in the military fighting for America. The Rev has been involved in a lot more social programs to help people then has Obama, as well as international peace keeping missions.

Apr 30, 2008, 11:23 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	To continue.... Obama has debated Clinton and might end up debating McCain. But what about the debate happening within the African American community over this riff between Obama and Rev Wright? Obama must debate Wright also in addition to the regular canidates. And so I propose that CNN should arrange for a special TV debate between Obama and Wright to see who will win the hearts and minds of the Black community. It is important for the Super Deligates to know what the outcome would be before they pick him for the general elections. What side is Jessie Jackson on when it comes to the debate between Wright and Obama? And other leaders of thier community? We gotta know so we can put our best person in the front line when it comes to defeating McCain. So I hope CNN gets busy to arrange that debate. The baptism in fire debate is what I will call it.