Why is McCain acting like a Democrat?

[Technosoul]

I have been watching TV as McCain is going around to poor neightborhoods to preach about how he would spend money to improve their areas. He is stealing many of the Democratic ideas while Obama and Hillary are busy yaking about Rev Wright. Although he is still pro-war in Iraq like Bush he is trying to act like a Democrat about many domestic problems.

Here he is - going where no Republican has good before, trying to dance to gospel music and all that jazz. Advocating tens of billions of dollors for a pork project relative to the distruction of hurricane Katrina.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Technosoul Why is McCain acting like a Democrat ? I have been watching TV as McCain is going around to poor neightborhoods to preach about how he would spend money to improve their areas. He is stealing many of the Democratic ideas while Obama and Hillary are busy yaking about Rev Wright. Although he is still pro-war in Iraq like Bush he is trying to act like a Democrat about many domestic problems.

McCain tries to accumulate some support in ereas Republicans are not welcome cordially as Democrats.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Rainbow McCain tries to accumulate some support in ereas Republicans are not welcome cordially as Democrats.

There are few politicians with consciences. That's why they'll go around making all kinds of false promises. McCain is far from alone in this. In fact, he should not claim credit for these visits. They're largely up to the party and campaign planners.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Technosoul I have been watching TV as McCain is going around to poor neightborhoods to preach about how he would spend money to improve their areas. He is stealing many of the Democratic ideas while Obama and Hillary are busy yaking about Rev Wright. Although he is still pro-war in Iraq like Bush he is trying to act like a Democrat about many domestic problems. Here he is - going where no Republican has good before, trying to dance to gospel music and all that jazz. Advocating tens of billions of dollors for a pork project relative to the distruction of hurricane Katrina.

When did he advocate any pork to anyone? Don't try to twist it that way. He state he would help and not ignore these people. He also stated the Federal response to Katrina was and abomination!

[GHook93]

Quote by: grandpa There are few politicians with consciences. That's why they'll go around making all kinds of false promises. McCain is far from alone in this. In fact, he should not claim credit for these visits. They're largely up to the party and campaign planners. Grandpa h.

Come on now, if any politician has truely stuck to his guns and stand up for what he believes in its McCain. McCain has on many occasion gone against his party for what he thinks is right. McCain has consistently not been bought by special interest and committed to wasteful spending! McCain is as unique of a Politician as is of a Republican.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: GHook93 Come on now, if any politician has truely stuck to his guns and stand up for what he believes in its McCain. McCain has on many occasion gone against his party for what he thinks is right. McCain has consistently not been bought by special interest and committed to wasteful spending! McCain is as unique of a Politician as is of a Republican.

And that is why he advoates more pork for the war in Iraq? More pork for oil companies?

And he still would like to ban abortions and other things that the fundamentalists do not like.

He is only saying that Bush miss-managed things and he would handle it better, but he still has the same basic agendas as Bush.

So tell us please. How does McCain REALLY differ from President Bush?

He is using outsourcing of jobs as a justification to allow businesses to polute America and to defeat the Unions in a unregulated manner, same as Bush would do.

He favors drilling for oil in environmentally sensitive areas, same as President Bush.

He uses his status as a Nam Vet to pursue all those bad policies while the Vet hosipitals were underfunded and miss-managed by Halliburton.

So show us the facts about why he differs from the mainstream Republican agendas?

What would he do differently then Bush to solve the high cost of medicene, to improve public education, to insure womens rights, to end the unjustified war in Iraq, to improve the well being of the middle class worker, to take steps to slow down our dependancy on nuclear weapons and nuclear energy, to solve the problems in the middle east, to regulate those credit car rip offs, to get Big Brother off the internet, to make it possible to live off of the fixed income of Social Security, to upgrade our transportation system to meet future demands, to empower middle class workers via unions that are not on-the-take, to correct the stupid way the forefathers set up our elections, to save us form our dependancy on forien manufacturing, to reduce the impact of global warming and climate change. To secure our nation form terrorism without giving up our rights to privacy, to make work migration from Mexico a workable system, to improve the state's ability to respond to a major emergency, to reduce gun violence by the criminal sector of our country, to give Christians a little more say-so about community standards that are fit for their children. How will he deal with the concerns of gay people who are now "out of the closet" and do not intend to go back there again?

And how does his platform differ from the one's Bush has set forth about those issues? And also, how would he make paying taxes fair for everyone?

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 Come on now, if any politician has truely stuck to his guns and stand up for what he believes in its McCain. McCain has on many occasion gone against his party for what he thinks is right.

He's in good company, because virtually all positions say such things. And it's not like what McCain thinks is right actually is right. I'd have to engage in some pretty heavy mental gymnastics to believe that.

Grandpa h.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: GHook93 Come on now, if any politician has truely stuck to his guns and stand up for what he believes in its McCain. McCain has on many occasion gone against his party for what he thinks is right. McCain has consistently not been bought by special interest and committed to wasteful spending! McCain is as unique of a Politician as is of a Republican.

Right, McCain sticks to his guns because he is bitter about his party being the big looser when it comes to Iraq and the domestic economy.

Just like Obama said he would do, turning to guns or religion to get votes from the bitter Republicans. Ha!

He differs from Bush on the failures but still supports Bush's core objectives, he offers no change in how to deal with important issues.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Technosoul And that is why he advoates more pork for the war in Iraq? More pork for oil companies?

This is very disingenious to make a false claim and not back it up with a link. Very disingenious. Especially when the spending powers are with Congress. McCain can propose a pork barrel plan to Congress, but has he has show he doesn't spend money on pork. (see my fatest pig thread for proof).

And he still would like to ban abortions and other things that the fundamentalists do not like.

Might be true, but I don't think it over-welms his political objectives. To his credit he does support stem cell research.

I care more about saving the economy rather than saving the right to abortion.

He is only saying that Bush miss-managed things and he would handle it better, but he still has the same basic agendas as Bush.

WRONG, he is stating he would reduce taxes and spending, much different than Jr (until at least to the end of Bush's Presidency). Its not much different than Obama stating hope, hope, hope. But never defining how he will get to "hope," except if you mean raising taxes

So tell us please. How does McCain REALLY differ from President Bush?

(1) A history of lowering spending and lowering taxes. Things that Bush didn't do during his Presidency
(2) Support global warming legislation
(3) Has reached across the idle and teamed up with Democrats like Feingold, Lieberman and Kennedy
(4) Actually had a plan to combat illegal immigration
(5) Support stem cell research
(6) He talks about the necessity of getting our allies to back us in military operations. Which is a direct opposite of Bush.
McCain Remarks on Foreign Policy - washingtonpost.com
(7) McCain is against torture, wants to close Gitmo and wants MCA to be amended.
(8) McCain called for the US to reduce its nuclear aresenal to give incentive to others to do the same.
NTI: Global Security Newswire - Thursday, March 27, 2008
(9) He is against artic drilling and supports ethanol (stupid in my opinion).
He is using outsourcing of jobs as a justification to allow businesses to polute America and to defeat the Unions in a unregulated manner, same as Bush would do.

Just a few to name.

He favors drilling for oil in environmentally sensitive areas, same as President Bush.

John McCain on the Issues
Do your research!

He uses his status as a Nam Vet to pursue all those bad policies while the Vet hosipitals were underfunded and miss-managed by Halliburton.

Not sure on the hospitals, but the label of him as a mindless hawk is disingenious.

Lebanon: From the NY times (hardly a pro-Republican paper)

delivered by McCain on Sept. 28, 1983. The Reagan administration was seeking Congressional authorization to support the deployment of U.S. Marines in Lebanon. McCain, a freshman legislator, decided to oppose his president and party. McCain argued that Lebanese society, as it existed then, could not be stabilized and unified by American troops. He made a series of concrete observations about the facts on the ground. Lebanon was in a state of de facto partition. The Lebanese Army would not soon be strong enough to drive out the Syrians. The American presence would not intimidate the Syrians into negotiating. “I do not foresee obtainable objectives in Lebanon.” He concluded. “I believe the longer we stay, the more difficult it will be to leave, and I am prepared to accept the consequences of our withdrawal.” This was not the speech of a man who thinks military force is the answer to every problem. It was the speech of one who conforms policies to facts. And it came a month before a terrorist attack that killed 241 Americans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/op...=1&oref=slogin

Iraq: (He was a strongly critized the war effort before most people and he villified by his own party for it)

second speech was delivered on Nov. 5, 2003. This was not a grand strategy speech. It was a critique of the execution of existing U.S. policy. First, McCain wondered about the Pentagon’s publicity campaign in Iraq: “When, in the course of days, we increase by thousands our estimate of the numbers of Iraqis trained, it sounds like somebody is cooking the books.” He then pointed out that the U.S. had not committed sufficient troops. He called for a counterinsurgency strategy in which U.S. forces would actually hold secure territory. “Simply put,” he said, “there does not appear to be a strategy behind our current force levels in Iraq, other than to preserve the illusion that we have sufficient forces in place to meet our objectives.” He excoriated the arrogance of Paul Bremer and the Coalition Provisional Authority: “The C.P.A. seems to think that all wisdom is made in America, and that the Iraqi people were defeated, not liberated.” This was the speech of a man, adjusting to changing circumstances, who was calling on the administration to adjust quickly as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/op...=1&oref=slogin

his advocacy of the withdrawal of US troops from Lebanon in 1982 (prior to the attack on the Marine barracks),[1] Somalia in 1993, and Haiti in 1994.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/op...=1&oref=slogin

So show us the facts about why he differs from the mainstream Republican agendas?

See above.

What would he do differently then Bush to solve the high cost of medicene, to improve public education, to insure womens rights, to end the unjustified war in Iraq, to improve the well being of the middle class worker, to take steps to slow down our dependancy on nuclear weapons and nuclear energy, to solve the problems in the middle east, to regulate those credit car rip offs, to get Big Brother off the internet, to make it possible to live off of the fixed income of Social Security, to upgrade our transportation system to meet future demands, to empower middle class workers via unions that are not on-the-take, to correct the stupid way the forefathers set up our elections, to save us form our dependancy on forien manufacturing, to reduce the impact of global warming and climate change. To secure our nation form terrorism without giving up our rights to privacy, to make work migration from Mexico a workable system, to improve the state's ability to respond to a major emergency, to reduce gun violence by the criminal sector of our country, to give Christians a little more say-so about community standards that are fit for their children. How will he deal with the concerns of gay people who are now "out of the closet" and do not intend to go back there again?

What would the Democrats do. Raise our taxes and increase government?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: GHook93 This is very disingenious to make a false claim and not back it up with a link. Very disingenious. Especially when the spending powers are with Congress. McCain can propose a pork barrel plan to Congress, but has he has show he doesn't spend money on pork. (see my fatest pig thread for proof). Might be true, but I don't think it over-welms his political objectives. To his credit he does support stem cell research. I care more about saving the economy rather than saving the right to abortion. WRONG, he is stating he would reduce taxes and spending, much different than Jr (until at least to the end of Bush's Presidency). Its not much different than Obama stating hope, hope, hope. But never defining how he will get to "hope," except if you mean raising taxes (1) A history of lowering spending and lowering taxes. Things that Bush didn't do during his Presidency (2) Support global warming legislation (3) Has reached across the idle and teamed up with Democrats like Feingold, Lieberman and Kennedy (4) Actually had a plan to combat illegal immigration (5) Support stem cell research (6) He talks about the necessity of getting our allies to back us in military operations. Which is a direct opposite of Bush. McCain Remarks on Foreign Policy - washingtonpost.com (7) McCain is against torture, wants to close Gitmo and wants MCA to be amended. (8) McCain called for the US to reduce its nuclear aresenal to give incentive to others to do the same. NTI: Global Security Newswire - Thursday, March 27, 2008 (9) He is against artic drilling and supports ethanol (stupid in my opinion). He is using outsourcing of jobs as a justification to allow businesses to polute America and to defeat the Unions in a unregulated manner, same as Bush would do. Just a few to name. John McCain on the Issues Do your research! Not sure on the hospitals, but the label of him as a mindless hawk is disingenious. Lebanon: From the NY times (hardly a pro-Republican paper) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/op...=1&oref=slogin Iraq: (He was a strongly critized the war effort before most people and he villified by his own party for it) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/op...=1&oref=slogin http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/op...=1&oref=slogin See above. What would the Democrats do. Raise our taxes and increase government?

His own words are the best link, just listen to him speaking. He will continue spending large sums of money on the war in Iraq, just like I said. He would encourage domestic drilling for oil which is more pork for the oil industry plus he would not regulate them which adds more money in their pockets. Why should us nature loving citizens give our public lands to the oil industry so they can distroy them? Why should we the people turn over OUR natural resources to the oil industry so that they can turn around and rip us off at the gas pump? First we must regulate them and get them under our thumb, before we give them those grants for oil exploration and what not.

What kind of stem cell research?

We should not give up the rights of women just to get John McCains promise to lower taxes. Lower taxes means something goes on the chopping block, such as the school system and so forth. If he wants to eleminate tag on pork to bills that a President would sign then he should become a Democrat because that is what Clinton would propose. You cannot control pork unless the President has a one-line veto authority, which is what Bill Clinton asked for and which the Republicans in Congress did not agree with. They did not want to change things. The Democrats can pay for their projects by not wasting money in Iraq and by reconstructing the tax codes so that rich people and mega-businesses cannot get out of paying their share of taxes. (as we already told you about before... buy you plugged up your ears ).

The hope of unification of all people might be a hopeless hope of Obama, but he has down to earth plans to solve problems as does Hillary Clinton. We would just need a Democratic Congress that is into change also, and then "hope" of getting united support form Republicans would not be a "must have" need. That is totally possible.

1 - Then how come taxes are not lower? Did he fail to unit anyone behind him? He supported a big loan form China to continue the Iragi war and that must be repaid by tax payers - it is not free money.

2 - How can he support an end to global warming and also favor more dependancy on oil and not regulate polution?

3 - What, on one bill? What did Kennedy agree too? Lieberman does not count as being "across the asile" because he is a turn-coat democrat who attempted to undermine his own party, he is now a "nowhere man" who supports mindless violence just like McCain.

4 - "Combat" undocumented workers and job migration? We are not a war with those people. Does he have a good plan that Mexico would agree too? If not then he is not being fair to everyone.

6 - They do back us in Afganistan but no one wants to back up the war crimes of Iraq. Bush tried to get that support but cannot, nor could McCain. Blaming other countries for not supporting that oil grab is no way to win a war anyway.

5 - there are different kinds of stem cell research and so does he support the kind which is the most objected too by abortionists?

7 - Democrats are also apposed to torturing POWs and we look forward to working with him to stop that Bush/Rumsfield policy.

8 - I would support not making any more nuclear bombs and to reduce our inventory, and not arm our self with those weapons anymore. And we need to have a plan for shutting down nuclear plants used for energy as they become older, which needs to be planned ahead of time because building new ones would be pointless.

In overview McCain would be a tiny bit better then Bush but falls short of reaching the changes we want in totality. Unless he is telling fibs to get elected like most Republicans are known for doing.

If you want to limit the federal government and remove the income taxes then you should have voted for Ron Paul when you had a chance to nominate him, McCain is no "poster child" for that purpose. He just supports a bigger military rather then more domestic programs that are useful here at home.

It is just a myth that Democrats will raise taxes and create a worthless complexity of governmental departmentations. Those things happened after the great depression but are not relative to what would happen during the next 9 years.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Technosoul His own words are the best link, just listen to him speaking. He will continue spending large sums of money on the war in Iraq, just like I said.

And, of course, we are traitors to "our" nation if we comdemn McCain and the Iraq War.

Of course, Democrats are still spineless enough to fund the war, not taking a strong stand against it:

House Democrats work on huge Iraq money bill House Democratic leaders are putting together the largest Iraq war spending bill yet, a measure that is expected to fund the war through the end of the Bush presidency and for nearly six months into the next president's term. The bill, which could be unveiled as early as this week, signals that Democrats are resigned to the fact they can't change course in Iraq in the final months of President Bush's term.

Grandpa h.

[Georgia]

Well myself as a conservative is left out of this election cycle.

United States is what, 9.7 TRILLION $$ in debt? Social security scheduled to be insolvent in less than 10 years?
Here we have a completely broke government and what do the Democrats promise? "Free" health care? "Free" child care entitlements (and more).
So here is McCain trolling around poor neighborhoods looking for more of the "Vote for me and I'll spend more money on you" message.
With the Feds dizmal management of practically all fiscal responsability, it astonishes me about the crowds wanting to throw more money at them for new "do good" projects.

Can somebody please point out a presidential candidate which actually recognizes our huge debt, and is dam straight about reversing it?

[GHook93]

Quote by: Technosoul He differs from Bush on the failures but still supports Bush's core objectives, he offers no change in how to deal with important issues.

The only reason core objective he is with Bush on is the war!

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Technosoul I have been watching TV as McCain is going around to poor neightborhoods to preach about how he would spend money to improve their areas. He is stealing many of the Democratic ideas while Obama and Hillary are busy yaking about Rev Wright. Although he is still pro-war in Iraq like Bush he is trying to act like a Democrat about many domestic problems. Here he is - going where no Republican has good before, trying to dance to gospel music and all that jazz. Advocating tens of billions of dollors for a pork project relative to the distruction of hurricane Katrina.

Why is McCain acting like a Democrat? Because he's a RINO (Republican In Name Only).

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Rainbow McCain tries to accumulate some support in ereas Republicans are not welcome cordially as Democrats.

I doubt it, otherwise the protesters would be there. We do not see any people protesting any of the canidates other then early on went the women's lib movement protested Hillary Clinton.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: grandpa And, of course, we are traitors to "our" nation if we comdemn McCain and the Iraq War. Of course, Democrats are still spineless enough to fund the war, not taking a strong stand against it: Grandpa h.

That funding is not an agreement with Bush policy on Iraq, it is to help out our troops who have been put in harms way. Big difference. The troops should not be underfunded just because we do not like Bush and his war. Also, the military budget is for both Afganistan and Iraq and elsewhere, they do not use seperate piggy banks.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Chancellor Why is McCain acting like a Democrat? Because he's a RINO (Republican In Name Only).

And Ringo Starr was not really one of the Beatles.

If he is not a Republican then let him agree with us to bring the troops home within a years time. Let him agree to that deadline. Let him agree to creating new jobs with alternative energy instead of downsizing the levels of polution allowed. Let him promote an affordable health care system. He is not a Republican in name only, he is playing the same beat on his drums, just playing it a little bit better then the last durmmer.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: Chancellor Why is McCain acting like a Democrat? Because he's a RINO (Republican In Name Only).

Which makes him identical to every so-called "Republican" of the last half-century.

[Technosoul]

Now McCain is putting on his Hillary Hat and trying to outline some new health care plan he has come up with.

Marc Ambinder (April 29, 2008) - McCain's Health Care Plan: It's About You

So far no one really knows what the heck he is babbling about, but it sounds like a lot of fluff with no punch.

The fact is that McCain is currently getting medical coverage that is identical to the one Hillary Clinton has proposed for everyone else. One that is backed by taxpayers.

If it is good enough for Congress and teh Senate then her plan should be good enough for the rest of America and for McCain to say otherwise is just plain hypocritical of him. (he is already taking advantage of the kind of plan she has proposed).

And so is Obama and the rest of those people working in Washington DC. who qualified for such welfare.

And yet here he is trying to be like Clinton and Obama with a new program to reform health care. Hell, if he wants to rebel from Bush he should become a Democrat or at least an independant.

Point being - if he is an Elephant he should not go "hee haw".

Point two being - anyone other then the VP could be a little better then Bush. But Hillary and Obama would be much better then Bush and likewise McCain who is only a little bit better.

[xyzer]

Of all the tripe I hear from Rev. Wright, one bit of wisdom stands out..He said Obama is talking like a politician and Wright is right! Politicians spout promises and nonsense which they usuall fail to, or cant, keep!
Example...
If you elect me, I'll fill the Grand Canyon with beer and form a bucket brigade from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Do I have your vote?

Problem is, there is a Congress and a country standing in McCains way. And of course in Hillarys and Obamas way? Foreign and domestic policy is dynamic and changes with time.

I do agree with McCain, it's important we bring the Iraqi adventuure to an orderly close and don't just bug out like the two Dems seem to want. There is too much at stake in the middle east. OIl being the biggest factor. I think recent events are showing it is in its final throes right now..