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| NerdyHippieThing 3.1 Location: Who cares? Posts: 819 | Abolish capitalism to save the planet? Bolivian president Evo Morales, now in New York to celebrate Earth Day, said that we should get rid of capitalism to save the planet: Earth Day At The UN: Abolish Capitalism What do you think? Would it work? Would you accept large-scale solution like this? I say: the sooner the better. [700th post!] I think, I'm free. Last edited by nerdvincent; Apr 22, 2008 at 11:22 pm. |
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![]() MoreThanMeetsTheEye Location: Earth, Solar System Posts: 409 | For the few problems capitalism has, it is still the greatest economical system the world has and has ever known. There is nothing better to replace it with and probably won't ever be anything better to replace it with. This Morales guy makes no sense, how would abolishing capitalism help us fight global warming. There is no logic in his statements, it would be more logical to abolish communism since Communist China is responsible for the majority of the world's pollution and it is capitalist America that seems to be the only country that gives a damn about global warming, so where is this guy's logic? Note to self: never visit Bolivia due to great risk of blindness from rolling eyes into back of skull from all the bs pollution. No sacrifice, No victory |
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| Igneous Magma Posts: 165 | America's greedy and evil private sector is at it again trying to spurn innovative solutions. Those damn capitalists: 15 Algae Startups Bringing Pond Scum to Fuel Tanks « Earth2Tech |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663 | We could replace capitalism with tribal shamanism. Me Tarzan, You Jane. The old system of open market places where you can bargan with each dealer or even trade what you got for what they have. Like we do at swapmeets and garage sales. Instead of the pre-priced monopoly of chain store-ism. But one thing that capitalism gives people is a motive to work hard, which the "free-bee" cultures cannot offer people. What is needed however is oversite regulation of capitalism to insure that wild areas (which are still left) remain wild, and perhaps even being able to set-aside more areas that are not distroyed yet by human occupation. In other words, I would favor "limited capitalism" and less " name-brand, chain store" mentality. Get it back in the hands of everyday people, the old mainstreet mom and pop stores, etc. But going backwards is not what the profit driven industry is about. None the less it was sad to say goodbye to mainstreet USA that I grew up in. Now I shop at this small market near my house, owned by this fellow from Iran who has his two teen sons working in the store. They do not lett on where they came from but I found out one evening when he was listening to some music from Turkey on his computer in the store, he might be a Kurd? But they speak good english and good spanish. Last night I went in and the kid had his baseball hat on sideways and he asked "how does this look"? I said "you look like a homie" . He did not know what that was, so I tried to explain about rap music and home boys in the hood, etc. He still seemed a bit confused but when I walked out he truned his baseball hat to face foreward. Hmm? Zack the owner does not like the idea that the big stores can buy in great volume and under-sell him. They do not sell pre-packaged hamburger but will make up ground beef on the spot in their meat section. Lots of locals love their pre-seasoned meats and so he is doing okay - trying to live the American dream the old way. |
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| Igneous Magma Posts: 165 | Quote:
BTW, you are arguing for a different pricing structure, not a different economic system. Quote:
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![]() Vampire Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 885 | Quote:
America? the only country that gives a damn about global warming? You haven't even signed the Kyoto protocol. As far as I can tell, your government has done nothing to help global warming. "A geek is a person, male or female, with an abiding, obsessive, self-effacing, even self-destroying love for something besides status." --D.B. Weiss, Lucky Wander Boy | |
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| Igneous Magma Location: Southwest desert - Valley of the Sun Posts: 605 | Quote:
Acel mate.. our "prez" is not the full quid, but he's a moolah stealin' swagman for the gangsters he works for.![]() The only way capitalism could work is with checks & balances.. and those with the $$$ aren't about to have their bankrolls checked & balanced. So.. eventually, as in past history, the USA is gonna tank. Picked clean by the greedy capitalists. Then we'll be like Mexico, a 2 class country.. the fabulously wealthy.. or the serfs.. dirt poor. "It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail." Gore Vidal . | |
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![]() MoreThanMeetsTheEye Location: Earth, Solar System Posts: 409 | gela, century 25, nerdvincent, what do suppose we replace capitalism with? I really hate when people crap all other capitalism and have no solutions and then it ends up that they really want communism or socialism and then once we get that far, I can stop pretending to take you seriously. No sacrifice, No victory |
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| Igneous Magma Posts: 165 | Quote:
Let's point the finger at capitalism. | |
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| NerdyHippieThing 3.1 Location: Who cares? Posts: 819 | Quote:
I think, I'm free. | |
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| Igneous Magma Location: Ether Posts: 596 | The Native American Indians had no concept of land ownership or capitalism. It was all about stewardship (of the earth), sharing (brotherhood of man), and taking only what was needed (not amassing wealth). It worked pretty well for them until the greedy (and dishonorable) Europeans came and destroyed their world. Capitalism works well for selfish liars and unconscionable thieves; it wasn't designed for honest altruists...or by them. My faith is stirred but never shaken. I'm the proof that evolution works... You're the proof that it doesn't. If I had a button, I'd push it! Can I push yours? |
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| Igneous Magma Posts: 165 | Quote:
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![]() MoreThanMeetsTheEye Location: Earth, Solar System Posts: 409 | Quote:
No sacrifice, No victory | |
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| NerdyHippieThing 3.1 Location: Who cares? Posts: 819 | Quote:
Yep. Nothing to say. You pretty much described where it flaws. I think, I'm free. | |
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| slipping sand Posts: 1,901 | I think we're seeing the inevitable trend that free market produces lately. Companies are seeing how consumers are starting to care about the "eco-friendliness" of the products they buy, and are thus investing time and money into developing more eco friendly products or ways of producing their products. What's necessary is not to abolish capitalism but to increase public awareness and get people to start making conscientious decisions about their spending habits. Or you can think that people are too stupid to do this themselves and that they have to be forced and controlled by the government. Look out kid, they keep it all hid. |
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| NerdyHippieThing 3.1 Location: Who cares? Posts: 819 | Ok I'll explain: capitalism needs consumerism to survive. If the country stop consuming good, the economy fall. But since Fordism, we must consume more to...well consume more, or the economy fall. But consuming more and more leads to wicked production, and wicked production leads to pollution, pollution leads to global warming. I think, I'm free. |
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| slipping sand Posts: 1,901 | The only problem with your position is that production must not necessarily lead to problematic pollution. That is the whole struggle we are currently facing, how to overcome or at least drastically minimize the problems of pollution and waste in our production of goods. Look out kid, they keep it all hid. |
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