Let's get rid of the IRS and Keep our entire paycheck!

[Apologist]

The elimination of the income tax would be a great way to stimulate the economy in this time of need. More specifically the enactment of the Fair Tax bill. I'm tired of seeing nearly 1/4 of my weekly paycheck going to the government. I would like to keep the money I'm earning and loose it only when I decide to purchase something.

[GHook93]

The Fair Tax!

Along with that we need to cut spending, social welfare programs, wasteful pork barrel projects (and make ALL wasteful pork barrel made public and must be publicized)! Reduction of counter-productive regulation

One thing that I think we need with any fair tax is to set absolute limits on all federal, state and local taxes. I am think 24 Federal, 5 State and local 1%! They could go under them, but NEVER under any cirumstance go over them.

The fair tax will tilt the trade advantage toward the US over China and the 3rd world. Look to the fastest growing corporate sector in the world, Dubai. More large Corporation are moving there than any other country. What is their secret? 0 corporate taxes is their main strategy! The fair could and would create a boom to the the American manufacturing sector. It is so simple it hurts!

[GHook93]

Quote by: Apologist 1/4 of my weekly paycheck going to the government.

That quarter percent is going to 50-55% if the Democrats get the House, senate, Presidency and Supreme Court. Be afraid!

[MplsBison]

The "Fair" tax causes the poor to pay a larger percentage of their income to taxes than the rich.


Not acceptable.

[Anmon]

There is actually no law saying you have to pay income tax in America, I saw on youtube some woman hasn't paid it for years because of this.

[GHook93]

Quote by: MplsBison The "Fair" tax causes the poor to pay a larger percentage of their income to taxes than the rich. Not acceptable.

Spoken like a true Democrat!

Always criticism, but its inaccurate. The poor can be given rebates after the fact. There can always be acception such as medical, real estatee education expenses. Also the aim of a society is to reduce the poor, not to coddle it and keep it in a state of poverty. The current style gives many high incentive to do nothing when you are at the bottom. There are tons of jobs these people can do, just ask the illegal immigrants in the south. On top of that fair tax will create a ton of manufacturing and producing jobs, along with bring many R & D jobs back to America. The Poor would have much more opportunity to work.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Anmon There is actually no law saying you have to pay income tax in America, I saw on youtube some woman hasn't paid it for years because of this.

LOL, don't believe everything you see on youtube. Article I section 8 specifically give "Congress the right to collect Tax..."

The 16th amendment specifically give Congress the "power to lay and collect taxes on income.."

Article V gives congress the power to amend the constitution, which includes creating new amendments.

Article VII give Congres the power to ratify the constition.

There is also nothing that express or implies that the Government can tax income.

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 LOL, don't believe everything you see on youtube. Article I section 8 specifically give "Congress the right to collect Tax..."

Nothing gives anyone the right to collect taxes, regardless of what the Constitution says. Why do taxes happen? Governments that seek to manage our lives, exploit us and draw tribute from us to pay for our own subordination.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: grandpa Nothing gives anyone the right to collect taxes, regardless of what the Constitution says. Why do taxes happen? Governments that seek to manage our lives, exploit us and draw tribute from us to pay for our own subordination. Grandpa h.

LOL, this is about the fair tax, don't derail it to you illogical fantasy about an anarchial society.

[MplsBison]

Quote by: GHook93 The poor can be given rebates after the fact.

But then you simply have the lower middle class paying a higher percentage of their income to taxes than the rich.




I will not support any tax plan that doesn't take a majority of its revenue from the most wealthy.


The only reason they are wealthy in the first place is because they took that wealth from society.


So it's only right that they should have to give the most back to society.

[Dagda]

If the arms budget of the country was slashed, taxes would be much lower. And don't give me any of that needed to defend the country crap. The USA spends $400 bill a year on defense, name one country who would have the reasources and the public support to attack America if they lowered the defense budget by $50 bill or so.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Apologist The elimination of the income tax would be a great way to stimulate the economy in this time of need. More specifically the enactment of the Fair Tax bill. I'm tired of seeing nearly 1/4 of my weekly paycheck going to the government. I would like to keep the money I'm earning and loose it only when I decide to purchase something.

Acturally if we kept all the money we earn and did not pay income tax or sales taxes then we might be able to afford sending our kid to a private school, we could afford a doctor, and we could afford to donate to charity, and all the other things we pay the government to arrange for us.

We could even hire our own security guards instead of using the police. Or unit as unions.

But they would need payroads so that we don't end up with a lot of potholes.

To make that system work we would also get rid of insurance companies and credit cards. That would force anyone who wants to stay in business to make things affordable to as many people as possible, otherwise they would end up with few buyers for their products or services.

Things would therefore balance out relative to the average income and the cost of living. That is the cost of living would be dictated by the average income of the majority.

We would need to work together like in the old days. If I help you build your house then you would help me build my house, we would establish neighborhood groups to do that bigger projects.

Those managers we call the government were once just people we hired to take care of some of our community needs. Now they think we work to support them and their welfare. All taxes put together adds up to nearly 60 percent of a middle class income, mostly so that our governmental workers can drive around in new cars at our expense ( well, not totally, but that is one aspect of it).

We are mostly funding the wealthy few with a big brother security force.

To hell with them. let them buy their own shotguns.

Note: Not sure if I agree with my self yet.

[Winter wind]

So if you grow old and your job offers no pension, you die poor and lonely?

[GHook93]

Quote by: MplsBison But then you simply have the lower middle class paying a higher percentage of their income to taxes than the rich.

LOL how do you come up with that assumption. What you will have more corporations coming and staying in America. More industries in the manufacturing sector being revived. When there are more jobs, there is more competition to hire employees. The employees get more power to negotiation in effect increasing their salaries. All this equates to a larger middle class.

Protectionism and high taxation decrease the middle class not the other way around.

I will not support any tax plan that doesn't take a majority of its revenue from the most wealthy.

Just curious how old are you. I would bet dollars to donuts you are either highschool or college level. When you get into the real world your views of believing only the wealthy deserve to get taxed will seem ridiculous to you. The biggest problem with communism is that it took away incentive to over-achieve.

The only reason they are wealthy in the first place is because they took that wealth from society.

LOL, you make it seem easy to just get rich. If its so easy why are you not starting the next Walmart or Microsoft. Many wealthy people build up from nothing (such Mitt Romney and Opra), some are given it and make great use with it. Most aren't taking anything, more are earning it.

So it's only right that they should have to give the most back to society.

Only if your a communist. The wealthy give back to us by providing job. I could hate my CEO who reportly made $7 million this year, but instead I respect the guy that gives me a job paying $80K a year!

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 LOL, this is about the fair tax, don't derail it to you illogical fantasy about an anarchial society.

How is what I said "illogical"? It's in fact what is occurring. And it's hardly "derailing" the thread. Certainly, a discussion on taxes (or any other social question) hinges on whether they are legitimate and necessary. It's a perfectly logical train of thought. It's illogical to pretend the legitimacy of taxation is beyond question.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Dagda If the arms budget of the country was slashed, taxes would be much lower. And don't give me any of that needed to defend the country crap. The USA spends $400 bill a year on defense, name one country who would have the reasources and the public support to attack America if they lowered the defense budget by $50 bill or so.

The military budget is only 3.9% of Americas GDP. That is less than Democrats Eisenhower at 9% and Kennedy at 10%.

Will post proof later I have a sales call to run to.

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 LOL how do you come up with that assumption. What you will have more corporations coming and staying in America.

Are you serious? How does this suggest corporations will come back to America? They're more than likely to stay where labor is cheapest.

Grandpa h.

[another day]

Quote by: GHook93 The military budget is only 3.9% of Americas GDP. That is less than Democrats Eisenhower at 9% and Kennedy at 10%. Will post proof later I have a sales call to run to.

So? The gdp has risen and therefore while the military budget has shrunk as a proportion they are still spending more money on the military than ever before. It's still an obscene amount that dwarfs any other country on earth including china.

[grandpa]

Quote by: another day The gdp has risen and therefore while the military budget has shrunk as a proportion they are still spending more money on the military than ever before.

Exactly. So much of the budget has been about death and destruction.

Grandpa h.