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Technosoul · Apr 21, 2008, 01:13 pm

What do you think about this, please post you opinion in the poll.

Are we being subjected to massive mind control agendas via the media or not? It all that just some conspiracy theory that only a nut would believe in?

Give you comments or debate this topic if you so wish to do so.

Are many people becoming the sheepe of political mind games?

Rainbow · Apr 21, 2008, 02:12 pm

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Mind control - is the government brainwashing the public ?

That what Politics is all about.

Milton Bradley · Apr 21, 2008, 02:14 pm

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That what Politics is all about.

...and the nightly news, whichever channel you watch.

Rainbow · Apr 21, 2008, 02:16 pm

@Milton Bradly
I vote : "Yes"
What is your vote, then ? :-)

Milton Bradley · Apr 21, 2008, 02:25 pm

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@Milton Bradly
I vote : "Yes"
What is your vote, then ? :-)

I also vote yes. ( Oh, I suppose you want me to click on the "Yes" option above. )

tommy5x · Apr 21, 2008, 04:45 pm

I'm undecided. Though the media is indeed very manipulative, especially when absurd stories are absorbed by the general public, whether governments are controlling them, I can't decide. many faucets of the media are anti-establishment in varying degrees.

Milton Bradley · Apr 21, 2008, 04:49 pm

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I'm undecided. Though the media is indeed very manipulative, especially when absurd stories are absorbed by the general public, whether governments are controlling them, I can't decide. many faucets of the media are anti-establishment in varying degrees.

A "half truth" is just as damaging as a lie in a representative governemnt.

Compugasm · Apr 21, 2008, 04:52 pm

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What do you think about this

Yes, that's why I only watch the Food Network and home improvement type shows. I can't stand anything else.

tommy5x · Apr 21, 2008, 04:57 pm

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A "half truth" is just as damaging as a lie in a representative governemnt.

The majority of 'half-truths' that are spwed out by the mass media in britain are anti-governmential though.

Immigration is killing the economy and society. HIGHLY SENSITIVE data was lost in the post on two disks (without multiple 20-key random passwords and encryptions.) Polar bears are dying because the ice is melting, ignoring the fact that it's the Artic summer, to name but a few.

Technosoul · Apr 22, 2008, 12:16 am

I don't know much about England to comment on how that government operates, but it seems like Blair was doing some mind control antics when he promoted the war on Saddam in Iraq. As did our Bush government.

Anmon · Apr 22, 2008, 12:20 am

Absolutely, we are being brainwashed by the government and media, in what to believe, what to say, even what to think.

**Jack** · Apr 22, 2008, 12:41 am

You're only as susceptible as you allow yourself to be. Advertising is in the business of shaping opinion. Governments have entire agencies tasked with controlling the information that's released to the public. Still, paranoia is an extreme and unnecessary reaction.

When I was in the Army and was first stationed at the NSA, we were given a "welcome" speech by the agency's director. During his speech he asked us why we thought documents were classified Top Secret and why the NSA was so compartmentalized. Most of us agreed it was to keep our secrets out of the hands of the Russians (this was in 1975). The director corrected us. He said the primary reason our documents were classified was to keep them from being released to the American public. He said that if the average citizen knew what we were doing to preserve and protect their liberty, they wouldn't appreciate or support it.

It took me a while to fully comprehend what he was saying and admit it made sense. There was no vast conspiracy to conquer the world. We weren't hiding documents that revealed who killed Kennedy. We were protecting information vital to assuring the security of our country that was collected in ways the citizens might not be comfortable knowing about. In brief, you cannot always protect democracy through democratic means.

So yes, I know the government, advertising and the media are in the business of shaping what we think we know. But if you're resourceful, if you keep an open mind and don't just follow the pack, if you think for yourself and learn as much as you can from a wide variety of sources, you'll at least be able to parse together a better idea of what's going on than what you are fed.

Anmon · Apr 22, 2008, 12:50 am

No I think your government did kill Kennedy, Isherwood.
And I think they set up 9/11 as well.
There is just too much weird stuff surrounding both issues.
Its not like they are going to announce to you, Oh and by the way, we killed Kennedy because he was going to end the US presence in Vietnam.

**Jack** · Apr 22, 2008, 01:04 am

I know you believe that. But of course you have no reason to believe that, as there's not a shred of evidence to support the notion. I further know that the conspiracy mindset considers the lack of evidence to be evidence of a government conspiracy.

Why is it that a lack of evidence is used as evidence when the topic is conspiracy but not when it is used in connection with the gods?

The government, especially now thanks to Bush, is out to curtail as many of your liberties as they can. But by focusing on the vast conspiracies, a focus encouraged by that same government, the people are ignoring the subtle ways our republic is being destroyed. As long as the public is being entertained with conspiracies and alien theories, they won't notice the little ways the government is eroding our freedoms. It's a game and they're being played.

Voluntary · Apr 22, 2008, 01:20 am

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Are we being subjected to massive mind control agendas via the media or not?

No. You have to right to ingest the media of your choice or none at all. It is not being forced upon you.

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It all that just some conspiracy theory that only a nut would believe in?

Bias may exist in the media, but I don't believe it is a government conspiracy.

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Are many people becoming the sheep of political mind games?

I think government could become more transparent and people should be more critical about their government.

LadiesMan217 · Apr 22, 2008, 02:04 am

I said not sure but I could definitely be convinced that we are trying to be brainwashed. It is abundantly clear that the media constantly spoon feeds only what they want us to know, but I cannot be certain if the media and the government are working hand in hand. But I think the old saying "Those who don't read the newspaper are uninformed and those that do are misinformed" is truer today than it ever was.

Anmon · Apr 22, 2008, 02:09 am

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I said not sure but I could definitely be convinced that we are trying to be brainwashed. It is abundantly clear that the media constantly spoon feeds only what they want us to know, but I cannot be certain if the media and the government are working hand in hand. But I think the old saying "Those who don't read the newspaper are uninformed and those that do are misinformed" is truer today than it ever was.

Note how papers constantly push terror and fear onto us.
Big headlines like people cowering in terror, not brave people stop hold up, thats relegated to a small story halfway into the paper.

grandpa · Apr 22, 2008, 10:47 am

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Note how papers constantly push terror and fear onto us.
Big headlines like people cowering in terror, not brave people
stop hold up, thats relegated to a small story halfway
into the paper.

True, and it is not difficult for them to do this. Life does offer innumerable things to be afraid of, even things we cannot be responsible for.

Grandpa h.

Technosoul · Apr 22, 2008, 01:31 pm

What about the things that may or may not be positive, funded by the government.

1. Buckle up, save a life.

2. Iran is a bigger threat then Iraq.

3. You must pay taxes.

4. Smoking is bad for your hearth.

5. Save energy by turning off lights when not in use.

6. Don't drink and drive.

and all those kinds of ideas to educate through mass repitition. Is that not intended branwashing?

grandpa · Apr 23, 2008, 10:32 am

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What about the things that may or may not be
positive, funded by the government.

Not to mention those stupid "Army of One" ads.

Grandpa h.

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Apr 21, 2008, 01:13 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,650	Mind control - is the government brainwashing the public? What do you think about this, please post you opinion in the poll. Are we being subjected to massive mind control agendas via the media or not? It all that just some conspiracy theory that only a nut would believe in? Give you comments or debate this topic if you so wish to do so. Are many people becoming the sheepe of political mind games?

Apr 21, 2008, 04:45 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
tommy5x Erudite Location: England Posts: 123	I'm undecided. Though the media is indeed very manipulative, especially when absurd stories are absorbed by the general public, whether governments are controlling them, I can't decide. many faucets of the media are anti-establishment in varying degrees. When the time comes, that no more can be said, say no more.

Apr 22, 2008, 12:41 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,818	You're only as susceptible as you allow yourself to be. Advertising is in the business of shaping opinion. Governments have entire agencies tasked with controlling the information that's released to the public. Still, paranoia is an extreme and unnecessary reaction. When I was in the Army and was first stationed at the NSA, we were given a "welcome" speech by the agency's director. During his speech he asked us why we thought documents were classified Top Secret and why the NSA was so compartmentalized. Most of us agreed it was to keep our secrets out of the hands of the Russians (this was in 1975). The director corrected us. He said the primary reason our documents were classified was to keep them from being released to the American public. He said that if the average citizen knew what we were doing to preserve and protect their liberty, they wouldn't appreciate or support it. It took me a while to fully comprehend what he was saying and admit it made sense. There was no vast conspiracy to conquer the world. We weren't hiding documents that revealed who killed Kennedy. We were protecting information vital to assuring the security of our country that was collected in ways the citizens might not be comfortable knowing about. In brief, you cannot always protect democracy through democratic means. So yes, I know the government, advertising and the media are in the business of shaping what we think we know. But if you're resourceful, if you keep an open mind and don't just follow the pack, if you think for yourself and learn as much as you can from a wide variety of sources, you'll at least be able to parse together a better idea of what's going on than what you are fed. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Tumblr Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Apr 22, 2008, 01:04 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,818	I know you believe that. But of course you have no reason to believe that, as there's not a shred of evidence to support the notion. I further know that the conspiracy mindset considers the lack of evidence to be evidence of a government conspiracy. Why is it that a lack of evidence is used as evidence when the topic is conspiracy but not when it is used in connection with the gods? The government, especially now thanks to Bush, is out to curtail as many of your liberties as they can. But by focusing on the vast conspiracies, a focus encouraged by that same government, the people are ignoring the subtle ways our republic is being destroyed. As long as the public is being entertained with conspiracies and alien theories, they won't notice the little ways the government is eroding our freedoms. It's a game and they're being played. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Tumblr Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Apr 21, 2008, 02:16 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Rainbow Volcanic Erupter Posts: 2,978	@Milton Bradly I vote : "Yes" What is your vote, then ? :-)

Apr 22, 2008, 12:16 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,650	I don't know much about England to comment on how that government operates, but it seems like Blair was doing some mind control antics when he promoted the war on Saddam in Iraq. As did our Bush government.

Apr 22, 2008, 12:20 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
Anmon BANNED Location: between the good and the bad Posts: 1,330	Absolutely, we are being brainwashed by the government and media, in what to believe, what to say, even what to think.

Apr 22, 2008, 12:50 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
Anmon BANNED Location: between the good and the bad Posts: 1,330	No I think your government did kill Kennedy, Isherwood. And I think they set up 9/11 as well. There is just too much weird stuff surrounding both issues. Its not like they are going to announce to you, Oh and by the way, we killed Kennedy because he was going to end the US presence in Vietnam.

Apr 22, 2008, 02:04 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
LadiesMan217 MoreThanMeetsTheEye Location: Earth, Solar System Posts: 390	I said not sure but I could definitely be convinced that we are trying to be brainwashed. It is abundantly clear that the media constantly spoon feeds only what they want us to know, but I cannot be certain if the media and the government are working hand in hand. But I think the old saying "Those who don't read the newspaper are uninformed and those that do are misinformed" is truer today than it ever was. No sacrifice, No victory

Apr 22, 2008, 01:31 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,650	What about the things that may or may not be positive, funded by the government. 1. Buckle up, save a life. 2. Iran is a bigger threat then Iraq. 3. You must pay taxes. 4. Smoking is bad for your hearth. 5. Save energy by turning off lights when not in use. 6. Don't drink and drive. and all those kinds of ideas to educate through mass repitition. Is that not intended branwashing?