Jimmy Carter - give peace a chance

**GHook93** · 22nd April 2008, 10:16 AM

Quote by: Rainbow

The peace in the Middle-East is an extremely needed political enterprise.
If Hamas is for peace, then we should talk to those guys. Once Hamas opts for that political solution,

Your losing the point! I doubt Hamas will ever be fully committed to peace; however, they are the Palestinian group with the real power. The only thing keeping them from taking the West Bank is Israel. That said, a peace negotiation can only be made with the ones in power and like it or that's Hamas. For Hamas that bad that Hamas is, they don't seem nearly as corrupt as the Arafat regime.

Hamas should never step aside.

However, they should renounce terrorism, but I agree if I were them I wouldn't get rid of my guns.

J. Carter served as a political plummet. He did his part well.
Now, some guys condamn J.Carter ? That is piteous.

Maybe so, but it will not change the fact that Carter was one of the most ineffective and worst Presidents in US. I know peopl won't believe it, but he rivaled Bush! All the housing market is the worst in X years are dating being dated back to his Presidency.

**Trotsky** · 22nd April 2008, 02:09 PM

Leader of Hamas has said that Hamas will never recognise the right of Israel to exist, but that a ceasefire is in everybody's interest. Sounds like they are on their knees and need time to reorganise.

**GHook93** · 22nd April 2008, 02:28 PM

Quote by: Trotsky

Leader of Hamas has said that Hamas will never recognise the right of Israel to exist, but that a ceasefire is in everybody's interest. Sounds like they are on their knees and need time to reorganise.

Read between the lines. They also said that they would accept a Palestinian State next to Israel.

What is the harm of talking to Hamas? Giving them legitimacy? Please, they already have legitimacy amongst the Palestinian people and much the Arab and Muslim people. If peace will be brokered then it must be with Hamas. Israel doesn't have to accept anything, but the silent treatment only insures more violence.

The best way to pacify an enemy is direct talks!

**GHook93** · 22nd April 2008, 02:31 PM

Quote by: Matt W

Much like your twisting of their names?

Well deserved names I might add!

I got one for Vladmir Putin also - Putinthebutt!

**Anmon** · 22nd April 2008, 02:50 PM

Quote by: Trotsky

Got what?

the sarcasm.

**Trotsky** · 22nd April 2008, 03:03 PM

what was that?

**Anmon** · 22nd April 2008, 03:14 PM

Quote by: Trotsky

what was that?

Looks like I have to do the work for you.

Quote by: Anmon

But Islam is a moderate peaceful religion, surely your not suggesting the mightiest nation in the history of the world, bow to terrorist threats from an extreme fundamentalist minority?

**Trotsky** · 22nd April 2008, 03:29 PM

Quote by: GHook93

Read between the lines. They also said that they would accept a Palestinian State next to Israel.

What is the harm of talking to Hamas? Giving them legitimacy? Please, they already have legitimacy amongst the Palestinian people and much the Arab and Muslim people. If peace will be brokered then it must be with Hamas. Israel doesn't have to accept anything, but the silent treatment only insures more violence.

The best way to pacify an enemy is direct talks!

If anything not talking to them gives them legitimacy, it just gives them yet another "victim" card to play in the whole mess. In my opinion though Carter is not the man who should be talking to them. Israel should be talking to them directly, not through the US or the EU or whoever. Israeli politicians though garner too much support from the more extreme elements in Israel, in particular the religious settlement movement, most of whom believe that Israel should stretch from the Red sea and the Med to the Euphrates. Couple that with the lot in the strip and west bank who want to drive the Jews into the sea I don't hold out much hope. But all we can do is try I suppose.

**Trotsky** · 22nd April 2008, 03:31 PM

Quote by: Anmon

Looks like I have to do the work for you.

Looks like you haven't picked up on some'at...............but hey-ho whatcha gonna do.

**GHook93** · 22nd April 2008, 04:45 PM

Quote by: Trotsky

If anything not talking to them gives them legitimacy, it just gives them yet another "victim" card to play in the whole mess. In my opinion though Carter is not the man who should be talking to them. Israel should be talking to them directly, not through the US or the EU or whoever.

I couldn't agree more. I what I was saying that Carter was right on, was directly engaging Hamas!

Israeli politicians though garner too much support from the more extreme elements in Israel, in particular the religious settlement movement,

Disengagment of Gaza is proof that its not over-welming. I believe most Israelis know that a Palestinian State is inevitable.

most of whom believe that Israel should stretch from the Red sea and the Med to the Euphrates.

They are the minority.

Couple that with the lot in the strip and west bank who want to drive the Jews into the sea I don't hold out much hope.

True, but I think most Palestinians have a stronger desire for the simple life. I am sure most Serbians want to drive all the Kosovian into the ground or at the very least retake Kosovo, but amazingly they have not done anything since Kosovo declared independence.