Youtube, myspace or Poor Parenting (or something else)!

[GHook93]

I know everyone has saw and heard about the 6 girls beating 1 teens. The video on this website is shows the beating she took after the victim awoke after the first beating that knocked her out.

It is vicious, animalistic, heartless and horrifiing. I makes me quiver and fear for my daughters safety when I see this. I hope the girls get the book tossed at them and are made examples of. They need jail time and it should be longer than 5 years. To beat a girl unconcious and then continue the vicious beating when she wakes goes well beyond brutality. Especially when the victim is not fighting back.

However, I think myspace and youtube are getting too much credit for the motive. I think the motive for the beating was old fashion kids being stupid and thinking getting talk about behind one's back is a capital punishment. They just took it to the extreme. On the video you hear the girls complain about the what the victim said about them on her myspace and via text messages. Not much different in my day when a friend told you, "guess what X said about you."
I think the girls first motive was to beat the victim and then it came to them that maybe they should video tape it and put it on youtube. I think that is clear from the dialog and the fact that they didn't video-tape the first half of the beating. I think the idea came to them after the beating started.

Basically I think if youtube wasn't around, these girls still would have beaten the crap out of the victim either and probably not videotaped it.

Again I hope these girls get locked away and treated to a little of the same abuse they gave the victim. Prison house justice is an ironic thing. Rape become rape victim. Murders become murder victims. Child predators become prey. I have no doubt life will be tough for this girls.

Don't blame YouTube, MySpace for teen beating video - Machinist - Salon.com

According to law enforcement officials in Lakeland, Fla., the six girls -- aided by two boys who stood guard; they're all pictured in the mugshots here -- were upset at the victim, 16-year-old Victoria Lindsay, over "trash talking" that occurred on MySpace and via text messages. On the evening of March 30, Lindsay, who had been living with one of the teens temporarily (she'd fought with her parents), came home to find the girls waiting to administer a beat-down. That beat-down commenced, off-camera: According to an affidavit by the county sheriff, one of the girls hit Lindsay several times and then slammed her head into a wall, knocking her unconscious. The video you see here takes off after that: Lindsay awakes on the couch, after which she is beaten some more, and yelled at regarding various MySpace improprieties. The girls ask stunningly stupid questions as they beat her -- they essentially want to know, Why don't you like us?, which you'd suppose would be obvious, what with the fists et al. The worst part comes about a third into the video, when one girl cautions another not to hurt the furniture as they beat Lindsay

[Anmon]

Quote by: GHook93 Basically I think if youtube wasn't around, these girls still would have beaten the crap out of the victim either and probably not videotaped it.

Probably not, the idea of putting it on youtube is so everyone can see it, where as before youtube was around it would be limited to themselves watching it on vcr and any friends they wanted to invite, not worth the trouble.
Happy slapping also has taken off in a lot of country's including my own now, which I blame more on camera phones, but youtube wouldn't have helped.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Anmon Probably not, the idea of putting it on youtube is so everyone can see it, where as before youtube was around it would be limited to themselves watching it on vcr and any friends they wanted to invite, not worth the trouble. Happy slapping also has taken off in a lot of country's including my own now, which I blame more on camera phones, but youtube wouldn't have helped.

So you agree youtube is getting too much credit?

[Anmon]

It is deserving of some credit, I would say camera phones have caused more violence if anything.

[Winter wind]

No, I think this was around before hand, mass media means you can find it real quick.

Plus, these kids seemed stupid. you post a crime like that, it's just dumb. At that level, I don't think that it mattered they could post this crap online, that was just an added bonus.

[Anmon]

Winter wind;497402]No, I think this was around before hand, mass media means you can find it real quick.

It might have been around, but video technology on phones has encouraged a huge increase of it, and the randomness of when and where it happens.

Plus, these kids seemed stupid. you post a crime like that, it's just dumb. At that level, I don't think that it mattered they could post this crap online, that was just an added bonus.

Their not so much as stupid as just overly all nasty inconsiderate useless scumbags.
Not being held accountable for your actions has helped play apart in this increase of disrespect, they are usually just gutless bullys who wouldn't think of touching you if they were by themselves.
They just basically get a kick out of being nasty, they know if they post it online, the most trouble they will likely get in is a slap on the wrist by some useless social worker.
I have been the target myself once a few years ago of nasty inhuman creatures like this, I dealt with them my way, lets just say they regretted going near me from that moment onwards.

[Trotsky]

Phones, youtube blah blah blah. Just more excuses to justify the thuggish behaviour of a bunch or sh*ts. It's got nowt to do with anything but a lack of respect and rubbish discipline at home, at school and in life in general. Same thing is happening in all western countries, lack of discipline, lack of consequence and we wonder why these little c*nts run wild. I knew the consequences if I stepped out of line as a sprog, the current lot don't know anything of the sort.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Trotsky Phones, youtube blah blah blah. Just more excuses to justify the thuggish behaviour of a bunch or sh*ts. It's got nowt to do with anything but a lack of respect and rubbish discipline at home, at school and in life in general. Same thing is happening in all western countries, lack of discipline, lack of consequence and we wonder why these little c*nts run wild. I knew the consequences if I stepped out of line as a sprog, the current lot don't know anything of the sort.

So is too much control better than little control? Western societies don't allow parents to maintain too much control over their children as one might like. Contrast that to Middle to Eastern societies, where harsh control is allowed, and you see many problems reduced, such teen pregnancy, adolescent drug use and sex, STDs, lack or respect for elders and parents, etc.

The break down of families are much more rabid in say the US and France, then say Iran and Saudi Arabia. However, more control/harsher punishments creates its problems also. Such as extremism, bigotry toward others, corporal punishment, repressed societies. repression of women, blacklisting etc.

Its a double edge sword!

[Anmon]

Yes but, our problems mean we wont have a civilisation soon, where as theirs with the problems you see will still be around, because they have kept the family structure together, how is irrelevant, it still existing is whats important.

Socialism got behind the civil rights movements of race and gender solely to break apart western society, it attacked its main enemy the white male the most as he was in charge.
They have specifically attacked discipline particularly in order to make kids grow up with no sense of responsibility, therefore making them selfish and spoilt, easy to ruin further and control.
Now the gay rights and soon pedo rights will probably finish it off.
Why do you think Muslim country's are so against all the rights movements and doctrines? because they know they are destructive and they can see what is doing to ours.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Kids have beat the pulp out of one another as far as humans have been around, for all I know. All youtube and myspace do is prove that these particular kids are spectacularly stupid as well as that they share the human love of violence.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Kids have beat the pulp out of one another as far as humans have been around, for all I know. All youtube and myspace do is prove that these particular kids are spectacularly stupid as well as that they share the human love of violence.

But this has probably led to an increase of attacks on strangers, or group attacks on single people, because of the added notoriety of filming it.

[Gods_Mercenary]

I doubt it. This most likely was not as random as it appeared, and while the internet adds some visual infamy, teens have their own ways of spreading info around their circles, which, unless the video becomes this famous, is what they're aiming for anyway.

[Charlatan]

Yes having a 'good' video is extreme reason to make one that involves what has gone intot the making of it, and the excitement of making it might have driven them on, at least for the second beating. I think that they only beat her a sceond time for the reason of making the video, so the second beating is because of you tube, so you tube is responsible for a beating, if only the second one, nonetheless.

Let's not blame it on you tube yet though, as kids tend to get excited, especially where there are lots of witnesses, and they like to posture, flaunting their supposed popularity amoung their peers. It is the stake of having peers, wanting to impress them. They could have been in the eighteen hundreds at a party and still have had the fight, but the reason for the second beating remains for their 'fans'. So seeing as how you tube is to blame for some of the violence, it is to blame for violence at one time, and led to more violence.

The problem with the girls is that they were trying to make a statement to their peers, if you mess with them they will mess you up. This is more common amoung boys though, but girls are starting to act more like boys lately, and vice versa. If they were hit as children you say that they would not have done this thing? Well when you hit a child they tend to think that hitting gets people's attention, as it got their attention as a child. People hit others because they are angry, or think they need to to get what they want. When parents hit children they need to get their attention, and the most striking way to do that is by hitting them. It is quick and cheap, and does get the point across that when you do bad things you get punished. But now when you hit someone they will hear you out, especially if powerless to hit back, and will likely do what you say. It is a power thing, the one with the power uses it on the one without the power so as to exert their will on them. Now if you hit someone they will get hurt and try to avoid getting hit again. When they grow up they will get hit less and grounded more, as the time for physical violence being the most avoided thing is over, and would gladly take a little beating in exchange for their freedom, so you take away their freedom and they will do what is necessary to avoid it getting taken away as much as possible. When the person is an adult they will reason out that this is the best way to raise kids, to get them to do what you say, so goes growing up, or used to.

Today in the west people have heard the cries of some abuses and seen to it that it is outlawed, this beating of children, so parents are without the first building block of discipline. As they get used to hearing the child argue with them, and are powerless to stop it, they may tend to get used to the child being naughty and not know when to ground them or not. Well seeing as how the first building block is taken away, children get used to just having their freeodm removed, and when teachers say to them that they must speak up if getting hurt, and not getting hurt, they will think that getting hurt is something their parents cannot do, so that is the first step towards dominating parents. When a parent shouts to them to go to their room, they go there, but are not hurt, so that most impressionable thing is lost on them, and they will not be 'impressed'. Then they get around to seeing violence out in the world, and try it on each other. Boys hit girls because they are seen as playmates at young ages, so girls learn to fight, but never with their parents. They might see themselves as untouchables that get sent to their room, but at that young age it is not enough to make them unhappy. As they learn that Parents are scared to fight them, they will push more and more on parents until only the most severe things warrant punishment, and the parents cannot win this battle. When you are forced into a battle you cannot win day after day, you become tired of fighting, and eventually give in as the stress levels rise. This is in the younger years.

Now as they grow up children will be used to dominating their parents and will be unruly as they have not been given the first step to being a rounded individual, they will deteriorate because they have worn down parents that love them, and are worried about their social life, so let them go out so they will be the same as everyone else. Parents look for norms more when they are worried about their children fitting in, as discipline has become popularised because of the culture, one that involves caring what other think about you, and all parents want to be cool for their kids friends. Also parents have gotten worn out with grounding children from such a young age, so let their children get away with a lot more than would noramly be the case. This leads to children doing more as they please.

Now when a child does as they please, they might do some rather impulsive things, as they haven't got restraint with them, they act on a whim more and more. When a teen is used to acting on a whim, and they have so many reasons for doing so, as they find identity, they might just go and beat someone up, because they are used to being impulsive and not thinking about the reactions for their wrong doing. When you hit a child when they are young, they listen to you forming a better moral compass for them later in life. They learn restraint, through fighting a ballte they can't win, and that leads to a reaction of listening to authority to avoid the same treatment again, wherever it is. As children learn to listen to authority to avoid said consequences, they become used to it and it forms a thing in their psyche, that being bad yields bad things happeneing to them. It stays with them for life this psyche, so a reaction to the thought of being wrong would register in their minds automatically as being the way to punishment. Think of the formative stages of a persons personality, they tend to become part of the person, and that is something that people can't afford to be without, a nervous reaction to the thought of being bad.

[another day]

You can't pigeon hole the cause of these things as "bad parenting" or "myspace"... there a plethora of causes for these kind of things and they all add up. However, one prominent cause I'd like to note is, yes, RAP MUSIC.. specifically the culture and lifestyle that goes along with it. It has a big part in this mentality. And I'm not some out of touch forty year old who doesn't get the youth of today... I've grown up in that culture and I can see what it's doing to kids... they adopt the gangster lifestyle because they idolize these guys, they start carrying weapons, provoking fights, etc. It's no longer limited to gangs and the hood, it's white suburbia where this shit runs wild.

[Donkey Sage]

Eh, this shit goes on. Maybe it could've been prevented. Then again, maybe not. They should definitely be punished. I say eye for an eye. Hold each one and let that girl beat the shit out of them.

[Trotsky]

Quote by: Donkey Sage Eh, this shit goes on. Maybe it could've been prevented. Then again, maybe not. They should definitely be punished. I say eye for an eye. Hold each one and let that girl beat the shit out of them.

Won't win me many friends, but I like that approach.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Donkey Sage Eh, this shit goes on. Maybe it could've been prevented. Then again, maybe not. They should definitely be punished. I say eye for an eye. Hold each one and let that girl beat the shit out of them.

yes girls are noted for their hard strong boned hands too.

[Trotsky]

You're mother ain't Irish then!! A good clip round the ear used to put me firmly in my place.

[Anmon]

um you were a kid getting a cuff across the ear, this is a bit different to beating the crap out of someone.
I know its hard, but try to just accept that 99.9% of females have soft more frail boned smaller hands than men, so they prefer slapping pulling hair biting scratching and kicking, which they can do well, but is hardly much good when up against a straight right, hook to the body, then a few uppercuts, may you find reality one day.

Your tale of kickboxing sally to prove me wrong goes here *

[GHook93]

Quote by: Anmon um you were a kid getting a cuff across the ear, this is a bit different to beating the crap out of someone. I know its hard, but try to just accept that 99.9% of females have soft more frail boned smaller hands than men, so they prefer slapping pulling hair biting scratching and kicking, which they can do well, but is hardly much good when up against a straight right, hook to the body, then a few uppercuts, may you find reality one day.

See Anmon, Trosky said he was from Ireland. You every wonder why Irish men drink so much? Just take a trip to Ireland sometime. The women are beastly and of a different breed altogether. To an Irishmen women with thick manly hands is nothing new.