Who's saying free tibet?

[GPIRS88]

YouTube - Free Tibet, wait, where is Tibet?

^for the love of god if people cant even locate where tibet is how in god's name do they know the issue?

Ive had it with these protesters who (the majority) dont even know whats going on in China.

First of all this is the Dali Lama's position

Questions & Answers

" I am not seeking separation from China. I am committed to my middle-way approach whereby Tibet remains within the People's Republic of China enjoying a high degree of self-rule or autonomy. I firmly believe that this is of mutual benefit both to the Tibetans as well as to the Chinese.

The Dali Lama is a smart man and he knows that there is no realistic way in Buddha's hell that China is going to give up territory.

Especially since :

- China's economy is stronger than ever and so is its military

- There are 5 regions in China designated as an autonomous region
Guangxi, Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Ningxia, and Xinjiang

- On June 17th, 1993, a terrorist group originating from Xinjiang detonated two bombs in a large market town located south of the region. Thirty bombings would follow over the span of three months, all originating from the terrorist group demanding that Xinjiang becomes independent.

- Giving away Tibet means losing Xinjiang and than who knows what....Taiwan is already close to full seperation and look how much tension there is between the 2

What do these people want? For China to improve their Human Rights record correct?

1989 hundreds (or thousands)died from a peaceful protest. Plus the army was called in!

2008- 80 died in a RIOT and suppressed by police officers.

Where was this attention on iraq/afghan?

What do they want? for china to go back to NKorea status?

Are they going to protest Canada's 2010 winter Olympics for not letting Quebec separate and the continuing cultural genocide and segregation of natives?

[GPIRS88]

no one has anything to say about this?

not one person out of the 48 viewers has anything to say about the Dali Lama not wanting to separate from China?

[Matt W]

I think the other thread/threads on Tibet are taking the attention...

[Gods_Mercenary]

People saying free Tibet usually mean don't beat up monks, I'd imagine. And someone who doesn't know where Tibet is should be ignored anyway.

[Milton Bradley]

I'm a free Tibet advocate, simply because all people deserve the right of self determination.


No hidden agenda, no anti-Chinese sentiment, just plain compassion for the less fortunate.

[GPIRS88]

Quote by: Milton Bradley I'm a free Tibet advocate, simply because all people deserve the right of self determination. No hidden agenda, no anti-Chinese sentiment, just plain compassion for the less fortunate.

But do you understand the politics behind the situation? or the history? at least the geography?

All these Tibetan Liberators screaming "Free Tibet" or "Chinese torture Tibetans"... and so on and so on...who do they represent?

The exiled Tibetan Leader isnt calling for it

The Dali Lama has the right sense to empathize with position Hu and the PRC are faced with.

These Free Tibet advocates just polarize the two sides and nothing is going to get done because of it.

The protest may have the right intention but it just pisses off Chinese citizens and warps the message of what is the true goal of the Dali Lama

If you want to protest for Tibet you might as well protest Vancouver's 2010 Olympics for not letting Quebec seperate

-or the cultural genocide and continued segregation of natives

or the US for anything involving the fed and the former confederate states

- Or US occupation in the middle east (I dont see free Iraq on the other side of that sign)

- Or heres a bigger problem...NORTH KOREA

How many of these protesters have even gone to Tibet? Or even stop by in China?

[Anmon]

Quote by: GPIRS88 no one has anything to say about this? not one person out of the 48 viewers has anything to say about the Dali Lama not wanting to separate from China?

There are loads of Tibet threads, its like those people who harass you everywhere now for money for causes or consumerism, you cant give to everything.

[GPIRS88]

Quote by: Anmon There are loads of Tibet threads, its like those people who harass you everywhere now for money for causes or consumerism, you cant give to everything.

Thats true...but looking over the other threads, very little was mentioned about

- China's other autonomous regions

- The goals of the Dali Lama

- And how it seems that everyone pro-Tibet knows nothing about Modern China

I mean come on....as a Chinese-Canadian i find these protests incredibly offensive......its just sad to see so much ignorance surround such a complicated issue and these Tibetan protesters arent exactly helping the situation. ><

For the love of god the US has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world....on top of all the wars being raged and demands for their military to leave sovereign states


globeandmail.com: 1 in 100 Americans in prison: study

Yet all those Americans in San Fran think they have the moral duty to protest about a region they know nothing about when human rights violations are going on in their own country????

It makes more sense to support LINK (liberation in North Korea) than it does to protest for Tibet independence

[gela]

The dali lama is a reasonable man. He can see the best, most realistic goal.

But protesting for a free tibet doesn't contradict his goal. Protesting for a free tibet helps the goal of getting a self ruled tibet.

[grandpa]

Quote by: gela The dali lama is a reasonable man. He can see the best, most realistic goal.

The most realistic goal is peace, and the best way of attaining that is seeing Tibet's future selected by the Tibetans. Imposing an outside system on them is unreasonable.

Grandpa h.

[WearetheWorld]

I don't understand the need to stick our noses in EVERY SINGLE DISPUTE in this world. Let them settle this, it has nothing to do with us.

[GPIRS88]

I think the best thing for tibet is to change those free tibet signs to "talk to TIbet"

But either way TIbet is a part of China and thats the reality of it.

Tibet's independence means Xinjiang would call for it....followed by the other autonomous

China isnt a monoethnic country~ There are 56 “official” nationalities spread out across 22 provinces (including Taiwan) and 5 autonomous regions


Though the majority of the population are the Hans

The unrest in Tibet are mobs attacking Han businesses and even Hans themselves

It not a simple "Tibetans have the right to choose"

You have factor in the other social conflicts that revolve around the issue and even the history in Tibet.

How often is it mentioned that feudalism use to be the system in tibet?

Where only a few individuals ruled over the majority of the population that were illiterate?

The Dali Lama acknowledged that his country needs to modernize and they require the help and co operation of China

but they dont want to modernize with han influence losing their culture in the progress...thats why hes calling for the middle way approach

Quote by: gela But protesting for a free tibet doesn't contradict his goal. Protesting for a free tibet helps the goal of getting a self ruled tibet.

Honestly how does stopping a flame free Tibet???

It just pisses off every Chinese citizen that a bunch of people, who have no moral right in the first place, are telling them(Chinese) to do something about a region they(protesters) know nothing about.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: WearetheWorld I don't understand the need to stick our noses in EVERY SINGLE DISPUTE in this world. Let them settle this, it has nothing to do with us.

Unless you are comfortable with letting the Tibetans duke it out with the massive Chinese army, it is the worlds business to make sure the dispute is solved reasonably.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Unless you are comfortable with letting the Tibetans duke it out with the massive Chinese army, it is the worlds business to make sure the dispute is solved reasonably.

Nobody's doing this because it's comfortable, but it is sensible to take a stand against government abuse, though not only against China.

Grandpa h.

[GPIRS88]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Unless you are comfortable with letting the Tibetans duke it out with the massive Chinese army, it is the worlds business to make sure the dispute is solved reasonably.

Where is the basis for this argument?

1989- Democratic protesters stood up to the PRC for liberty

only to be suppressed by the PLA ARMY divisions and leaving hundreds if not thousands slaughtered!

2008- Tibetan citizens riot and attack Han buisnesses fighting to preserve tibetan culture and fighting for religious freedom....

and Suppressed by the PLA POLICE division....80 - 200 killed including 13 Hans killed by the rioters

Between these two events....two Chinese presidents have finished their terms and implemented an economic reform that raised a nations living standard.

Lets look at it this way

Would you rather have a Tibet under a theocracy? before PRC took power Tibet was still under a feudal system with surfs and slaves

Even the Dali Lama acknowledges this !

Politics and religion should always be kept separate. And the US is far from teaching China about Human Rights....who's responsible for that naked pyramid in Iraq?

[grandpa]

Quote by: GPIRS88 Where is the basis for this argument? 1989- Democratic protesters stood up to the PRC for liberty only to be suppressed by the PLA ARMY divisions and leaving hundreds if not thousands slaughtered!

The discussion of how other countries view China is interesting.
Russia, for example:

Long accustomed to regarding themselves as - relatively speaking - civilised and the Chinese as backward, if not barbaric, Russians inevitably find it difficult to adjust to the spectacular reversal of roles today, when China has become an industrial powerhouse towering above its neighbour, and its great urban centres are exemplars of a modernity that makes their Russian counterparts look small and shabby by comparison. The social and economic dynamism of the PRC, brimming with conflict and vitality of every kind, offers a particularly painful contrast, for those willing to look, with the numbed apathy of Russia - and this, liberals might gloomily reflect, without even the deliverance of a true post-Communism. The wound to national pride is potentially acute. LRB · Perry Anderson: Russia’s Managed Democracy

Maybe this is why "Russia voiced support for the Chinese government...over the violence in Tibet, calling its relations with the Dalai Lama an internal matter and saying efforts to boycott the Beijing Olympics are 'unacceptable.'

If a nation lacks pride in itself, it can make up for it by taking pride in the tyranny of others.
Said the Foreign Ministry:
"We are expressing hope that the Chinese authorities will take all necessary measures to stop illegal actions and provide for the swiftest possible normalization of the situation" in Tibet.

Russia warns against boycott of Olympics over Tibet - International Herald Tribune

By sucking up to China, Russia is perhaps reaffirming its trade relationship, no doubt in the name of Russia's best interests.

And, on the other side, we should still consider how national pride is key to the Olympics. We're ultimately in the realm of mass psychology. I have to wonder how much of this is about human rights, and how much of it is only oneupmanship and showboating. Personally, I find that if nations truly cared about why people are so mean to one another, they would minimize their own power and risk forfeiting their place on the world stage.

Grandpa h.