Hillary for President

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Matt She won today.

She won a major state by 10 points over Obama.

In national polls she would beat McCain but in national polls Obama would tie with McCain.

It is becoming clear to Democrats that Hillary will be the one to keep the Republicans out of the White House so that change is at least possible.

If Obama took the VP offer that was open for him then the Democrats would really have a united front to defeat McCain. But he apparently does not want to do that.

[xyzer]

This makes the American government more suited for creating a medical care system then China. Socialism has nothing to do with it. (In fact, economically, China is much more a capitalist state then most).

WHAAAAAT? China has a rigidly controlled socialist/communist government. The only glimmers of capitalism are in Hong Kong and in some market places on the mainland. Hong Kongs system already existed under the Brits and when China took over it hated to change such a lucrative source of taxation.

[Technosoul]

Whatever. The Democratic Party is not the Socialist Party. They have their own party and none of the Democratic canidates belong to that offical party of socialistic activity.

Socialist Party USA

None of the canidates have any plan to turn the USA into a copy of China and so no point listening to people who make up such false claims.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: anmon lol she's dead meat, Obama is going to wipe the floor with her.

You never know. The world of politics is constantly shifting and moving. Something could happen to knock Obama down a few points and improve her chances. You never know.

Quote by: matt She won today.

Not by enough. She only got 10 more delegates then Obama.

WHAAAAAT? China has a rigidly controlled socialist/communist government. The only glimmers of capitalism are in Hong Kong and in some market places on the mainland. Hong Kongs system already existed under the Brits and when China took over it hated to change such a lucrative source of taxation.

China had a rigidly controlled socialist/communist government. Now the only rule is what it always was in China. GuanXi. Influence.
I think it happened when Deng XiaoPing went to the south and said the words "KaiFang!" (open up).

China has a strictly controlled communist civil society. However the way it conducts business is not based off of the proletariat, rather what makes the most money. It's a capitalist country in the most literal form of the word.

[xyzer]

China's advantage on the world economic scene is in its large and inexpensive labor force.. If the modern Chinese leaders would let up and allow free enterprise capialism and trade to flourish China could take over the top economic spot in the world.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: xyzer If the modern Chinese leaders would let up and allow free enterprise capialism and trade to flourish China could take over the top economic spot in the world.

How hasn't it?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Winter wind You never know. The world of politics is constantly shifting and moving. Something could happen to knock Obama down a few points and improve her chances. You never know.

The Rev Wright is on tour now visiting many African American neighborhoods, and believe it or not a large majority of blacks believe that Rev Wright is telling the truth and the fact that Obama is trying to distance his self from that belief can also in effect, distance him from the mainstream black community. I am a white guy but I love African American music and when I worked night shift I started to listen to talk radio shows with African American hosts, and all those things the Rev Wright spoke about are shared by many of the people who called in on those shows, and I even belived that the the CIA planes under Ollie North shipped in crack to the black communities, that AIDS was a man made virus (bio-weapon) that was tested on African tribes, and that a lot of the black leaders who held offices as Mayors and Governors were "set up" by the FBI to remove them from office. Just look at the record. Many of the black leaders were "removed" in one way or another that were into protesting and so forth. And for a large part the white community ignored all this and were not even aware of what was happening. True, some of the young people in that community who did not live through the really tuff times might not have as strong of an opinion as the older folks, but as Obama attempts to distance his self from those strong opinons he is in effect cutting off the his own support group relative to the majority of that community. Now we might expect white people to be offended by Rev Wright but for a black canidate to reject what he grew up being informed about by his peers is nearly an act of teason. He should have stood up for his pastor but he took the easy way out and did the "Uncle Tom" thing, and so why would they pick him to "fight for their objectives" to get out the truth?

Where is Jessie Jackson? How come Jessie is not a loud voice in the Obama movement? He is VP material. But no - nothing on CNN about that. If Obama does not pick a black guy as his VP choice then how can he claim to advocate for the advancment of that community? He has some bridges to cross and could loose his wagon wheels.

Obama did not even attend the big Martin King Jr event, as did Hillary and McCain. What is up with that guy? He better get better in touch with his "American" roots.

[Winter wind]

I'm not sure how to respond to that.

[Technosoul]

None the less, the reason why the Democrats are divided is because we have two great canidates and we wish they both could have a role in leading this country in overcoming the Bush-Republican mentality, which McCain will continue in spite of the fact he pretends to be an independant. He is not.

Here is how I look at it. Hillary Clinton was in the kitchen cooking up the Democratic platform, and the iceing on that cake was her health care program. Then Obama got into the kitchen and put on the cheif hat and attempted to bring that cake to the democratic table. So Hillary turned up the heat in the kitchen, and now Obama is whining that she is making things too hot for him.

Well, you know what grandma used to say about that.

Now with a big win in the Penn primary Hillary is on a roll, people suddenly donated millions to her effort overnight, and the clear prediction is that she will win the next big state (that matters) and this has changed the graphics of the whole process. If we could count the two states that voted too early then Hillary is be ahead in the popular vote by a good margin.

The Republicans want Obama to be nominated because they have the best chance with him debating McCain. They are running ads as if he was the canidate and trying to ignore Clinton.

Meanwhile Obama is on the run and has turned down two debates with Hillary Clinton that were wanted in the next two primary states.

While posting silly photos of him with his ears pinned back and Hillary looking goofy with her eyes popped open wide. Talk about negative ads his people are doing thier fair share of that while crying that she won Penn with negative ads, not true, he had three times as many ads as she did in that state.

The voters want this debate between Hillary and Obama to continue, so that each canidate is tested in that fire, and so we end up with the right one in the kitchen.

As an old time DJ used to say "burn baby burn". At the moment "Hillary is the hot item".

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Whatssnew Why do you think Hillary should be president. What are her relevant qualifacations in your view ? Do you think she has weaknesses that could cost her the election ? Do you think she can win ?

#1
Kitchen is the most suitable place for Hillary (Clinton), especially since a place under presidential desk has already been taken by Monica :-)))
Can we split and donate to Hillary (Clinton) a brand new kitchen, instead, please ? :-)

#2, #3
Hillary (Clinton) and qualifications ???
What field : cooking ???

#4
I hope she ends up as a loser.
Otherwise, a really handful packet of advisers is the only hope for U.S.
Hillary (Clinton) is a political moron.

[Technosoul]

In spite of those degrading comments about women in the post above Hillary Clinton is gathering a new momentum in this election battle.

Here are some thing that might effect the primary in the next two states.

One thing (as I mentioned a while back) the Rev. Wright is on tour and has booked some TV and radio interviews. And he will be involved in a big speech in Washington where he will be joined by other leading preachers in the African American community who will attempt to show that Wright is and was not out of step with the average viewpoints of those preachers. Those events will be shown all over the news networks and that could be bad of Obama because it could show that he is out of touch with his own voting block in that community.

Also, sooner or later people will start to wonder just what his promise for the uniformity of diverse groups is really all about. Is it realistic or not? Can the Democrats, Republicans, and Independants all come together in a cozy little group like Obama has visioned? How is he going to manage that when exit polls in Penn showed that 45% of the Clinton supporters would vote Republican or stay home if Clinton is not elected as the nominee.

This does not sound like Obama is the one who would snatch independants or moderate Republians away from McCain.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Technosoul In spite of those degrading comments about women in the post above Hillary Clinton is gathering a new momentum in this election battle. Here are some thing that might effect the primary in the next two states. One thing (as I mentioned a while back) the Rev. Wright is on tour and has booked some TV and radio interviews. And he will be involved in a big speech in Washington where he will be joined by other leading preachers in the African American community who will attempt to show that Wright is and was not out of step with the average viewpoints of those preachers. Those events will be shown all over the news networks and that could be bad of Obama because it could show that he is out of touch with his own voting block in that community. Also, sooner or later people will start to wonder just what his promise for the uniformity of diverse groups is really all about. Is it realistic or not? Can the Democrats, Republicans, and Independants all come together in a cozy little group like Obama has visioned? How is he going to manage that when exit polls in Penn showed that 45% of the Clinton supporters would vote Republican or stay home if Clinton is not elected as the nominee. This does not sound like Obama is the one who would snatch independants or moderate Republians away from McCain.

There is not much sense to post Hillary (Clinton) achievements in Politics, since there is none to be accomplished so far - (maybe except for some piteous speeches she gave on the House floor).
Hillary (Clinton) claims otherwise.

Example : Bosnia.
Putting that "sniper fire" aside, what Hillary (Clinton) participated in ?
No idea, since she had No the U.S. governing body's authorization to handle Any issues and/or subjects at all (!)
Hillary (Cllinton) went to Bosnia and took her daughter with her. All that at the expense of taxpayers (!) These are the facts.
What did Hllary (Clinton) went to Bosnia for ?

Example : Hillary is (allegedly) well known to and/or recognized by politicians around the world
A complete baloney. Bill (Clinton) - as the U.S. President, used to take Hillary with him. That custom is practiced by some politicians all over the globe.
Is that form of experience Hillary (Clinton) talks about ?
That is not enough, to be classified as an individual well familiar in/with Politics.

(Yesterday) I watched an interview with the Rev. Wright. He pointed nothing against Obama. Yet, I beleive Rev. Wright could perform much better as a politician, instead, IMO.

Applying Mathematics to the Democratic Party race, Hillary (Clinton) has No chance to catch up with Obama. In order to become a leading candidate, Hillary (Clinton) needs to win :
- All the remainging states, with ratio : 66% vs. 33%
She did not deliver that in Pennsylvania.
North Carolina is the last state with the most delegates to be won. Hillary (Clinton) needs to win that state, with much greater ratio of appx. 70% vs. 30%, in order to compensate the losses in Pennsylvania.
I do not think it would materialize, since Obama has a decisive lead in North Carolina with appx. ratio of 60-65% vs. 35-40%

HealthCare is yet another factor in Hillary (Clinton)'s campaign.
Some guys have no clue that exactly Hillary (Clinton) was that driving-engine to reform healthcare plans in 90's. A plan - officially introduced by Bill (Clinton)'s governing body, was her idea. As the result, number of uninsured people went up, from appx. 17 million to 50 million.
Today, Hillary (Clinton) claims that she has a brand new healthcare plan for all the Americans. That is an absurdal statement.
Hillary (Clinton) is being financed by lobbyists. Those guys paid her up, in order Hillary (Clinton) to become the next U.S. President.
Why ? Why somebody wants Hillary (Clinton) to take over that post - having in mind a health insurance coverage ?
Because, as the U.S. President Hillary (Clinton) is going to issue set(s) of Bills and/or Acts, etc. and force people to enroll on those healthcare plans. Healthcare-related business does not finance Hillary (Clinton) for fun. They want their money back. Since Hillary (Clinton) can not give them that money back - personally, she will accomplish that task at the expense of the People - Themselves (!) When the People enroll on those - already prepared - healthcare plans and/or coverage, they would need to follow certain procedures.
What does it mean in practice ?
Doctors pay some fees to healthcare insurance companies, in order doctors to be listed as "certified" within those plans. When a patient and/or client and/or customer enrolls on that plan, that individual is being taken care by those doctors, and Only (!) By complying with those requirements :
- doctors have profits
- healthcare insurance companies have profits
- guys have bills to be paid ; ammount varries
That is the way Hillary (Clinton) wants to return the healthcare insurance companies' investment back. Who is the winner, Technosoul ?
Are we talking a healthcare insurance plan and/or coverage or just simply a brand new form of rip off ?

Yet, the major difference between Hillary (Clinton) vs Obama :
- getting rid of lobbyists
That is the major difference.
No the U.S. President has planned and/or considered and/or attempted etc. to get rid of lobbyists, Ever (!) All the politicians talk a lot of many things, and promise a lot of things. Therefore, taking them seriously is a joke. However, Obama is the first presidential candidate who officially presented that concpet, openely. If suuccessful, U.S. has a historic chance to start progressing into the right direction. Hillary (Clinton) does not even consider to go into that direction. Her goal is to Upkeep that status quo, instead (!)

Is my post degrading, really ?
Are we talking about U.S. or private agenda ?

Example (within the Democratic Party field) :
N.Pelosi vs H.Clinton
Hillary (Clinton) is a political imbecile, in comparison to N.Pelosi.
All Hillary (Clinton) wants :
- give me that damn presidential post, People

P.S.
Are you going to split some funds for Hillary's brand new kitchen ? :-)))

[xyzer]

Winter wind...Here is a fairly recent comparison of GNP
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATASTATISTICS/Resources/GDP.pdf
Note... China will have to triple its output to equal that of the USA? That will take some catching up?

[Winter wind]

Quote by: xyzer Winter wind...Here is a fairly recent comparison of GNP http://siteresources.worldbank.org/D...ources/GDP.pdf Note... China will have to triple its output to equal that of the USA? That will take some catching up?

The link is dead, but I did my own research to find that legally you are right, but the government still works in a capitalist system. If they did get rid of some of the government controlled areas, they would do better, however even if China nationalized health care, I doubt it would make a monumental difference.

Plus, this comes down to lives. Everyone should get care, if life saving or an Advil for a headache. For me that is the most importent, and we learn how to fix the rest.

[sdbest]

Quote by: Technosoul She won a major state by 10 points over Obama.

Hillary won Pennsylvania by 9.32% not 10%. A trivial difference perhaps but it rounds down to 9 points, not 10, and that has a certain psychological impact. Also PA was tailor made for her appeal: older women, white union members, lower education levels, etc. Not to mention the fact, too, she's a hometown girl who had the local political Democratic political machines backing her. The fact that she won by only about 9% is a very, very poor showing indeed.

Quote by: Technosoul In national polls she would beat McCain but in national polls Obama would tie with McCain.

If you go to RealClearPolitics.com and look at the Polls page, you'll see that Obama leads in the national polls against McCain, not Clinton. This can change from day to day.

Which all suggests the question, if Hillary, who doesn't think much of Obama, can't beat him in most states and can barely beat him in states where she should win by a landslide what makes her think she can beat McCain who she has suggested is better than Obama?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: sdbest Hillary won Pennsylvania by 9.32% not 10%. A trivial difference perhaps but it rounds down to 9 points, not 10, and that has a certain psychological impact. Also PA was tailor made for her appeal: older women, white union members, lower education levels, etc. Not to mention the fact, too, she's a hometown girl who had the local political Democratic political machines backing her. The fact that she won by only about 9% is a very, very poor showing indeed. If you go to RealClearPolitics.com and look at the Polls page, you'll see that Obama leads in the national polls against McCain, not Clinton. This can change from day to day. Which all suggests the question, if Hillary, who doesn't think much of Obama, can't beat him in most states and can barely beat him in states where she should win by a landslide what makes her think she can beat McCain who she has suggested is better than Obama?

I used the CNN poll results as they have the larger polling population.

The fact is that we are a stalemate and a photo finish. PS - as it is commonly done the rounded off the percentage to the next highest number.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Rainbow There is not much sense to post Hillary (Clinton) achievements in Politics, since there is none to be accomplished so far - (maybe except for some piteous speeches she gave on the House floor). Hillary (Clinton) claims otherwise. Example : Bosnia. Putting that "sniper fire" aside, what Hillary (Clinton) participated in ? No idea, since she had No the U.S. governing body's authorization to handle Any issues and/or subjects at all (!) Hillary (Cllinton) went to Bosnia and took her daughter with her. All that at the expense of taxpayers (!) These are the facts. What did Hllary (Clinton) went to Bosnia for ? Example : Hillary is (allegedly) well known to and/or recognized by politicians around the world A complete baloney. Bill (Clinton) - as the U.S. President, used to take Hillary with him. That custom is practiced by some politicians all over the globe. Is that form of experience Hillary (Clinton) talks about ? That is not enough, to be classified as an individual well familiar in/with Politics. (Yesterday) I watched an interview with the Rev. Wright. He pointed nothing against Obama. Yet, I beleive Rev. Wright could perform much better as a politician, instead, IMO. Applying Mathematics to the Democratic Party race, Hillary (Clinton) has No chance to catch up with Obama. In order to become a leading candidate, Hillary (Clinton) needs to win : - All the remainging states, with ratio : 66% vs. 33% She did not deliver that in Pennsylvania. North Carolina is the last state with the most delegates to be won. Hillary (Clinton) needs to win that state, with much greater ratio of appx. 70% vs. 30%, in order to compensate the losses in Pennsylvania. I do not think it would materialize, since Obama has a decisive lead in North Carolina with appx. ratio of 60-65% vs. 35-40% HealthCare is yet another factor in Hillary (Clinton)'s campaign. Some guys have no clue that exactly Hillary (Clinton) was that driving-engine to reform healthcare plans in 90's. A plan - officially introduced by Bill (Clinton)'s governing body, was her idea. As the result, number of uninsured people went up, from appx. 17 million to 50 million. Today, Hillary (Clinton) claims that she has a brand new healthcare plan for all the Americans. That is an absurdal statement. Hillary (Clinton) is being financed by lobbyists. Those guys paid her up, in order Hillary (Clinton) to become the next U.S. President. Why ? Why somebody wants Hillary (Clinton) to take over that post - having in mind a health insurance coverage ? Because, as the U.S. President Hillary (Clinton) is going to issue set(s) of Bills and/or Acts, etc. and force people to enroll on those healthcare plans. Healthcare-related business does not finance Hillary (Clinton) for fun. They want their money back. Since Hillary (Clinton) can not give them that money back - personally, she will accomplish that task at the expense of the People - Themselves (!) When the People enroll on those - already prepared - healthcare plans and/or coverage, they would need to follow certain procedures. What does it mean in practice ? Doctors pay some fees to healthcare insurance companies, in order doctors to be listed as "certified" within those plans. When a patient and/or client and/or customer enrolls on that plan, that individual is being taken care by those doctors, and Only (!) By complying with those requirements : - doctors have profits - healthcare insurance companies have profits - guys have bills to be paid ; ammount varries That is the way Hillary (Clinton) wants to return the healthcare insurance companies' investment back. Who is the winner, Technosoul ? Are we talking a healthcare insurance plan and/or coverage or just simply a brand new form of rip off ? Yet, the major difference between Hillary (Clinton) vs Obama : - getting rid of lobbyists That is the major difference. No the U.S. President has planned and/or considered and/or attempted etc. to get rid of lobbyists, Ever (!) All the politicians talk a lot of many things, and promise a lot of things. Therefore, taking them seriously is a joke. However, Obama is the first presidential candidate who officially presented that concpet, openely. If suuccessful, U.S. has a historic chance to start progressing into the right direction. Hillary (Clinton) does not even consider to go into that direction. Her goal is to Upkeep that status quo, instead (!) Is my post degrading, really ? Are we talking about U.S. or private agenda ? Example (within the Democratic Party field) : N.Pelosi vs H.Clinton Hillary (Clinton) is a political imbecile, in comparison to N.Pelosi. All Hillary (Clinton) wants : - give me that damn presidential post, People P.S. Are you going to split some funds for Hillary's brand new kitchen ? :-)))

Are you defending Obama or McCain?

She has the most experience in understanding the voters.

Your stats may prove worthless because it looks like the Super-deligates would determin who will be the nominee.

[Technosoul]

As I noted the Rev Wright gave his big speech today and he made some remarks that Kennedy does not speak good English which if taken out of contest to the whole speech would upset some people. But if you were lucky enough to hear the whole speech (aired twice on CNN) you would find that man is pretty dam smart and I found his message to be in harmony with our (white) newager and shamanism stand. Obama should not distance his self from Rev Wright. Hillary should should not say she would "walk out" if she has not listened to a whole sermon or speech. This speech had the title "A change is going to come".

Meanwhile HIllary Clinton has asked Obama to debate her one on one with no monitors or hosts asking questions. To talk about their differences in their platforms. Obama has refused to debate her.

McCain is promoting a "gas tax free holiday" and is attacking Obama for not going along with his idea. (Hillary would not object to it). The plan is to allow people to buy has over the labor day weekend without paying taxes (saveing them about 10 cents per gal). Obama said that is not going to solve the problem in the long run and it is just a pointless jesture.

Indiana polls show that Obama and Clinton are tied with 10 percent of people who have not made up their minds yet. Rush is still advocating that Republicans vote to nominate Hillary Clinton. The talk show host is trying to mess up our democracy and should get the boot. It was wise for McCain to distance his self from Rush Bimbo. (whatever his name is?).

[sdbest]

Quote by: Technosoul I used the CNN poll results as they have the larger polling population. The fact is that we are a stalemate and a photo finish. PS - as it is commonly done the rounded off the percentage to the next highest number.

You're right and therein lies CNN's error. They compounded rounding errors. The rounded Clinton up to 55%, then rounded Obama down to 45% and came up with the 10% spread. However, had they done their math correctly to determine the difference in the results, they would have subtracted Obama's unrounded percent result from Clinton's, and come up with 9.32%. Then they, if they wanted a round number, would round that down to 9%. Of course, this would not have fit into the CNN "Obama-failing" narrative on the race, as earlier there was commentary about Clinton needing to cross the 10% threshold. The fact is she didn't.

She didn't in a state perfect for her candidacy in which she once held a 20 point plus lead.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: sdbest You're right and therein lies CNN's error. They compounded rounding errors. The rounded Clinton up to 55%, then rounded Obama down to 45% and came up with the 10% spread. However, had they done their math correctly to determine the difference in the results, they would have subtracted Obama's unrounded percent result from Clinton's, and come up with 9.32%. Then they, if they wanted a round number, would round that down to 9%. Of course, this would not have fit into the CNN "Obama-failing" narrative on the race, as earlier there was commentary about Clinton needing to cross the 10% threshold. The fact is she didn't. She didn't in a state perfect for her candidacy in which she once held a 20 point plus lead.

I would question that 20% lead poll, as the same poll only showed that Clinton might win by a 6 to 7 lead, when she closed at a 9 plus lead (Penn primary). We still have two states where they cannot figure how to count the popular votes of how to determine the deligate count that cannot be seated. Those two states will be important during the show down with McCain.

I think Indiana will also be very close. The two states coming up together have more deligates up for grabs then Penn did. No one seems to be winning a slam dunk election anymore, and who ever can sway the Super Deligates that they can beat McCain will be the winner no mater what other math one might do. At least so far that seems to be the projection they are headed for.

I would like to see a one on one debate about the real issues where they do not have those hosts asking questions about religion or the lastest miss-spoken terms. Especially in areas not often talked about concerning the change they are both represent.