Peace through superior firepower

[grandpa]

Quote by: Anmon No it leaves us with no problem.

I'll keep your logic in mind next time I get in an argument with someone.

Grandpa h.

[Anmon]

Quote by: grandpa I'll keep your logic in mind next time I get in an argument with someone. Grandpa h.

Well that would depend a lot on the seriousness of the argument your in I guess.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Anmon Well that would depend a lot on the seriousness of the argument your in I guess.

Which depends on my perception of "seriousness," which is another issue.

Grandpa h.

[Anmon]

Quote by: grandpa Which depends on my perception of "seriousness," which is another issue. Grandpa h.

Serious as in life threatening, I didn't mean blow someone away just because they disagreed with you on some technicality.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Anmon Serious as in life threatening, I didn't mean blow someone away just because they disagreed with you on some technicality.

Well, technicalities can be very damaging, you know. I was just hoping you would acknowlege my point.

Grandpa h.

[Anmon]

So you agree then, just blow them away if its serious?

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: Halofan48 um, how about diplomacy?

Show me where diplomacy has acheived the at least hundred year mediteranean peace of the pax Romana and I'll eat my toga. I never said it was a particuarly wise policy, look at the Romans, but it does work to acheive a lack of war for serious amounts of time if you can sustain the superior force.

[Anmon]

Maybe the UN can use their diplomacy to bring peace, they are just so good at it.

[Magnus]

Quote by: sdbest Amazing! The U.S has not only the largest military in the world, but the largest military in history, and its people are still as scared as baby rabbits. A few extremists knockdown a couple of buildings and the most powerful nation in the world collapses in fear and reprisals, and abandons all its so-called values. Torture. Repression of rights. Unlawful surveillance. How pathetic. How sad. How disgusting. How shameful. How American.

Excellent Post Sir

[Magnus]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Show me where diplomacy has acheived the at least hundred year mediteranean peace of the pax Romana and I'll eat my toga. I never said it was a particuarly wise policy, look at the Romans, but it does work to acheive a lack of war for serious amounts of time if you can sustain the superior force.

This is pretty backwards, rome conquered wherever it went and maintained it through continous violence. It was one continous war. who do you think the barbarians were that eventually beat back rome were? they were the people the romans were eyeing to attack and subjugate next. and they got help from forces within rome.

[Magnus]

Quote by: Anmon Maybe the UN can use their diplomacy to bring peace, they are just so good at it.

As opposed to..........??

[Magnus]

Quote by: Anmon So you agree then, just blow them away if its serious?

well israeli children will eventually join the IDF. so why not blow them away now?

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: Magnus This is pretty backwards, rome conquered wherever it went and maintained it through continous violence. It was one continous war. who do you think the barbarians were that eventually beat back rome were? they were the people the romans were eyeing to attack and subjugate next. and they got help from forces within rome.

No crap its backwards, superior force requires war or at least the threat of it to maintain peace. But the point is that whereas before the mediteranean was in constant war on a massive scale, after Roman dominance was acheived there was little real warfare excepting a few rebellions among the more unaccepting peoples (see,Palestine) which were easily crushed and a few crucifixions, which were insignificant spats compared to Alexander, the Selucids, the Punic Wars, and Rome's own civil wars. Rome never really intended to subjugate Germany, they would have moved into the middle east, most likely, for the trade routes. The Barbarians attacks were, by and large, instigated by migrations from asia like the Huns who displaced them.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Anmon No it leaves us with no problem.

LOLOL All evidence to the contrary. Our generous applications of shock & awe haven't eliminated the problems in Iraq, they've made them significantly worse. I see Boy George has informed us that we'll be reducing the number of American troops in Iraq... back to what they were for the last four years!

And, we're begging for help in Afghanistan that our massive firepower apparently hasn't solved either.

Yep, 5 years after the Bush League and Tommy Franks were promising that our troops would be out of Iraq by September of 2003, our military is on the verge of exhaustion, -- " Pentagon caught between exhausted US military, security in Iraq", the trillion dollar cost of the war has been a constant anchor around a U.S. economy in tatters, 4,000 of our troops are dead, with 30,000 maimed and wounded, America despised around the world, the American people divided.

Yessiree, by all means... tell us how our massive firepower "Solved the Problem!"


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[Winter wind]

Quote by: sonart Yeah, I'm pretty sure Anmon was being sarcastic. .

Quote by: Anmon No it leaves us with no problem.

Does "I told you so" suffice?

Quote by: God's Mercenaries Show me where diplomacy has acheived the at least hundred year mediteranean peace of the pax Romana and I'll eat my toga. I never said it was a particuarly wise policy, look at the Romans, but it does work to acheive a lack of war for serious amounts of time if you can sustain the superior force.

The Confederated States of Micronesia don't have a superior force, nor do they have a whole lot of problems.

But seriously what about the Cold War? When two powerful nations built up enough "firepower" to blow the world to pieces several times over. Save for the grace of God Himself, we would have too during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Just because we were lucky doesn't mean it was right. Because when to groups with superior firepower try and prove who has more power, it sometime leads to the only real way to prove it and that is through war, which is something we could not afford.

Quote by: Anmon So you agree then, just blow them away if its serious?

No because if we did that during the Cold War, I would not be here.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Rome never really intended to subjugate Germany, they would have moved into the middle east, most likely, for the trade routes. The Barbarians attacks were, by and large, instigated by migrations from asia like the Huns who displaced them.

Julius Caesar was about to embark on a 5 year campaign against the Scythia'ns, it was to be his last one, and to remove this threat against Rome, unfortunately he was assassinated just before he was about to leave.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Winter wind No because if we did that during the Cold War, I would not be here.

I didn't necessarily mean with nukes.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: Anmon I didn't necessarily mean with nukes.

Then what did you mean? Lets use the cold war as an example.
Russia's a problem, what do you do?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Anmon No it leaves us with no problem.

just the potential for nuclear winter and learning that nuclear war can distroy all life on earth as we know it.

Thing is it leaves you with not problem but it can also leave you with "no you".

If you were the leader of Iran and said that... you would be in deep water and would soon be removed from office by a little occupational shock and awe. But lucky you are just a citizen (hope you do not work at the Post Office). You are starting to sound like those kids who shoot up their schools to "blow away" their problems about feeling rejected.

Come on... get a grip and not gripe.... I know you are a lot more logical then that, having read your other postings.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Winter wind Then what did you mean? Lets use the cold war as an example. Russia's a problem, what do you do?

I meant with conventional firepower, using say zimbabwe as an example, nukes are just a bit over the top I think.

That is not your typical situation but, this is an extreme case you are using.
I admit diplomacy was necessary here, otherwise the world would have got blown to bits, but to use diplomacy for every little situation is overkill, and usually solves nothing of the problem, especially with tin pot dictators.