D's say Clinton should leave the race are A$$es

[GHook93]

If you look at the race Clinton has the clear advantage. Realclearpolitics.com has her 132 delegates (1631 to 1499) behind Obama. However she is coming up to predominately white states. Before the Wright controversy Obama did a great job of taking race out of the equation. Like it or not it is firmly inbreeded into the primary. I personally think Obama comes off as a moral and non-racist individual, but I wouldn't have voted for Comrade Obama (or Comrade Clinton for that matter), since I am a social conservative.

The blowback from the Wright controversy is fully seen in PA. Back on 2/26 Clinton's lead was a mere 4% (46-42), fast forward to a month and a half of Wright controversy and her lead ballooned to 16% (53.3-36.3).
RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary

The only other poll by real clear politics is NC were the its the only state with a significant black population (25%).
Obama will need the white vote to win. He has not been tested since the Wright controversy. My feeling is that it has hurt him enough to lose the next few race. The only significant Latino votes are in Puerto Rico (regardless of Richardson, Clinton will still probably carry them anyways).

Look at the states (note next to the is the non-Latino white population and the delegates).
PA - 158
IN 85% - 72
NC - 70% - 115
OR 86% - 52
Guam - 4
Puerto Rico -55
MT 90% - 16
SD 88.5% - 15
WV 96% - 28
KY 90% - 51

That is 115 NC, 392 of the White dominated states and 59 foreign votes (which I expect Clinton to win)!

Bottom line if Obama can't win the White vote, then he lost! The A$$ that tell Clinton to leave should take their heads out of their well A$$. It's ignorant to tell someone she has no chance, when in reality she has a better chance then her opponent of winning!


If anyone wants to know my states check wikipedia at search the state.

[Kite]

The bottom line is its going to come down to the super delegates, and its going to take even more time away from whoever wins to campaign against McCain. Obama clearly has more support at this point, and bowing out would be the best thing to do for the party. Of course, Hillary doesn't care about the party or the future of this country, she just cares about winning.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: GHook93 If you look at the race Clinton has the clear advantage. Realclearpolitics.com has her 132 delegates (1631 to 1499) behind Obama. However she is coming up to predominately white states. Before the Wright controversy Obama did a great job of taking race out of the equation. Like it or not it is firmly inbreeded into the primary. I personally think Obama comes off as a moral and non-racist individual, but I wouldn't have voted for Comrade Obama (or Comrade Clinton for that matter), since I am a social conservative. The blowback from the Wright controversy is fully seen in PA. Back on 2/26 Clinton's lead was a mere 4% (46-42), fast forward to a month and a half of Wright controversy and her lead ballooned to 16% (53.3-36.3). RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary The only other poll by real clear politics is NC were the its the only state with a significant black population (25%). Obama will need the white vote to win. He has not been tested since the Wright controversy. My feeling is that it has hurt him enough to lose the next few race. The only significant Latino votes are in Puerto Rico (regardless of Richardson, Clinton will still probably carry them anyways). Look at the states (note next to the is the non-Latino white population and the delegates). PA - 158 IN 85% - 72 NC - 70% - 115 OR 86% - 52 Guam - 4 Puerto Rico -55 MT 90% - 16 SD 88.5% - 15 WV 96% - 28 KY 90% - 51 That is 115 NC, 392 of the White dominated states and 59 foreign votes (which I expect Clinton to win)! Bottom line if Obama can't win the White vote, then he lost! The A$$ that tell Clinton to leave should take their heads out of their well A$$. It's ignorant to tell someone she has no chance, when in reality she has a better chance then her opponent of winning! If anyone wants to know my states check wikipedia at search the state.

I would agree that she should not (nor would she) get out of the race, in spite of the fact that CNN reporters think she should.

Funny that CNN thought that people would vote for Obama because he is the underdog and then said he was ahead in the race, how can he be booth? Because people percieve black people as underdogs?

It appears in the polls that Clinton will win Penn. The biggest role that discrimination will play will come from the Mexican-American voting block because black neighborhoods and spanish neighborhoods have had a tribal conflict going on (for a long time) and in some states Mexican Americans make up a large percentage of voting resources. And the two races do not trust or like each other very much. Thus, Clinton by default would get most of the Mexican American votes.
I do not think that "unseen" spanish voting block is being looked at by those who make predictions.

Now many of the younger white voters would vote Obama and I do not think that race would have anything to do with their choice. Some white Christians might not like his religious ties anymore, so he could loose some of his flock over that.

It is a neck to neck race. Perhaps even California will get to vote in the primary before it's all over. That woud be a nice "change". And the good thing about the neck to neck race is not a lot of difference between them. They have simular platforms, they are both very popular with voters (teenie margin of difference). They both have something in common because one would be the first female president and the other the first black president. The both advocate change (from Bush policy).
The both know how to make speeches that the working class people want to hear.

So it might be up to the Superdeligates to try to figure out who stands the best chance of competing with McCain. That is hard to determine because some of them are... frankly.... nit wits.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Kite The bottom line is its going to come down to the super delegates, and its going to take even more time away from whoever wins to campaign against McCain. Obama clearly has more support at this point, and bowing out would be the best thing to do for the party. Of course, Hillary doesn't care about the party or the future of this country, she just cares about winning.

You are allowing your bais towards Obama blind you to reality.

[Kite]

The reality is that the party is being divided by this squabble, meanwhile the republicans are already campaigning. The Democrats cant win while battling each other as well as the Republicans.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Kite The reality is that the party is being divided by this squabble, meanwhile the republicans are already campaigning. The Democrats cant win while battling each other as well as the Republicans.

It just goes to show the folly of party politics, where rich people must compete over who gets to push everyone else around. Obama is perhaps the least warlike among the candidates now, but he's mostly just engaging in fancy rhetoric about "change". That Wright thing set him back. The media portrayed that Reverend as if he were a serial killer or something, forgetting that McCain is actually the one most open to death and destruction in Iraq (and presumably elsewhere). That being said, I'm tired of everything being up to Democrats or Republicans.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Kite The bottom line is its going to come down to the super delegates, and its going to take even more time away from whoever wins to campaign against McCain. Obama clearly has more support at this point, and bowing out would be the best thing to do for the party. Of course, Hillary doesn't care about the party or the future of this country, she just cares about winning.

Rephrase that. She might not care about the best thing for the party (I although I believe in her mind she thinks she is the best thing for the party), but she believes she will be a better President than Obama and that is why she is still running.

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 Rephrase that. She might not care about the best thing for the party (I although I believe in her mind she thinks she is the best thing for the party), but she believes she will be a better President than Obama and that is why she is still running.

Either way, she wishes to win and I wish her the opposite.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Technosoul I would agree that she should not (nor would she) get out of the race, in spite of the fact that CNN reporters think she should. Funny that CNN thought that people would vote for Obama because he is the underdog and then said he was ahead in the race, how can he be booth? Because people percieve black people as underdogs? It appears in the polls that Clinton will win Penn. The biggest role that discrimination will play will come from the Mexican-American voting block because black neighborhoods and spanish neighborhoods have had a tribal conflict going on (for a long time) and in some states Mexican Americans make up a large percentage of voting resources. And the two races do not trust or like each other very much. Thus, Clinton by default would get most of the Mexican American votes. I do not think that "unseen" spanish voting block is being looked at by those who make predictions.

I took that into account, but there is an overt racial overtone in this thread and I didn't want a lefty calling me a racist. But it you look at the stats the only state/country that has a significant Latino population is Puerto Rico!

Now many of the younger white voters would vote Obama and I do not think that race would have anything to do with their choice. Some white Christians might not like his religious ties anymore, so he could loose some of his flock over that.

Young voters might have tired of the race and they have typically not been a strong turn out force.

So it might be up to the Superdeligates to try to figure out who stands the best chance of competing with McCain. That is hard to determine because some of them are... frankly.... nit wits.

Yep it will come down to the anti-Democratic Democrat primary voting system. Forget the will of the people we can vote for who we want to vote for!

[HelioPrime]

Seems that Obama is the more popular. He has far more supporters.

But Clinton is the more electable. She has the connections to convince people to go her way as well as to convince Obama to accept a VP ticket under her.

It's going to be 8 years of Clinton pushing what she can, followed by a democratic filled congress aiding 8 years of Obama doing the rest of her agenda.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: grandpa Either way, she wishes to win and I wish her the opposite. Grandpa h.

Why even have a political race if we think there is something wrong with the desire to win and compete with other runner-ups? If agreement is the right thing to do, why even have a Volconvo debate forum? I think you see it backwards, the party should not shape the canidate or the President, the canidate show show how they would shape the party once elected.

All this hype about unity for the sake of a little peace of mind can be dangerous. It distroys the diversity that can eventually make the collective stronger and better balanced in its construction.

How can the best ideas be sorted out from the rest if we waver that process for some idealistic concept of group conformity?

When McCain was behind and could not get much funding they called for him to drop out, asking "what is the point of him staying in the race", but looked what happened, he won the nomination of his party.

It is not over til the fat lady sings.... and guess who that lady is?

[Kite]

Quote by: Technosoul All this hype about unity for the sake of a little peace of mind can be dangerous. It distroys the diversity that can eventually make the collective stronger and better balanced in its construction. It is not over til the fat lady sings.... and guess who that lady is?

It is a fact that winning a fight against one enemy is much easier than winning against two. It might eliminate diversity but it also eliminates adversity within the party.

If you want to keep the ruling families in power, by all means go ahead...but when this country turns back into exactly what we were trying to get away from when it was made 200 years ago, don't come crying.

[GHook93]

Quote by: grandpa Either way, she wishes to win and I wish her the opposite. Grandpa h.

Gramps you would say that with every candidate!

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: grandpa It just goes to show the folly of party politics, where rich people must compete over who gets to push everyone else around. Obama is perhaps the least warlike among the candidates now, but he's mostly just engaging in fancy rhetoric about "change". That Wright thing set him back. The media portrayed that Reverend as if he were a serial killer or something, forgetting that McCain is actually the one most open to death and destruction in Iraq (and presumably elsewhere). That being said, I'm tired of everything being up to Democrats or Republicans. Grandpa h.

Well, since you forgot about Ron Paul, you're not only wrong, but you still have another choice. ) It just says ( R ), but we all know he's a Libertarian is disguise.


Oh, and Nader is running now as well, and we still haven't even heard if the Libertarians, or the Green party are going to field candidates this election.

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 Gramps you would say that with every candidate!

True, although I did foolishly vote in the last two Presidential elections.

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Well, since you forgot about Ron Paul, you're not only wrong, but you still have another choice. ) It just says ( R ), but we all know he's a Libertarian is disguise.

Because I care about my well-being, I won't be voting for Ron Paul or, presumably, for anyone else.
Not voting has always been a libertarian solution. Read Thoreau, for example.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Well, since you forgot about Ron Paul, you're not only wrong, but you still have another choice. ) It just says ( R ), but we all know he's a Libertarian is disguise. Oh, and Nader is running now as well, and we still haven't even heard if the Libertarians, or the Green party are going to field candidates this election.

LOL, I grew to like RP, but he nor is Nader really a viable candidate. Really you can't call either candidates without laughing!

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: GHook93 LOL, I grew to like RP, but he nor is Nader really a viable candidate. Really you can't call either candidates without laughing!

Well, you should qualify that statement, as such...,

I grew to like RP, but he nor is Nader really a viable candidate, if you let the media make up your mind for you.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: GHook93 Bottom line if Obama can't win the White vote, then he lost! The A$$ that tell Clinton to leave should take their heads out of their well A$$. It's ignorant to tell someone she has no chance, when in reality she has a better chance then her opponent of winning !

Hillary (Clinton) may catch up with Obama, under the following condition :
- 75% to 25%, in all the remaining states
Otherwise, she lost.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Rainbow Hillary (Clinton) may catch up with Obama, under the following condition : - 75% to 25%, in all the remaining states Otherwise, she lost.

How do you figure? She could be ahead of him in delegates after PA!