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Old Mar 27, 2008, 08:26 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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How much does war beget war?

How much does war beget war? Let's look at some fairly well-known results from WWII (many directly related).

Michael E. Kreca (a financial reporter
for Business Week, Knight-Ridder and the Financial Times of London):

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...we certainly crushed Japan militarily, finally finishing the job
with two atomic bombs in August 1945. What did we get for it all?
Scores of GIs killed from Oahu to Okinawa, billions of postwar
taxpayer dollars spent rebuilding a completely wrecked and humiliated
Japan, keeping it militarily weak in the face of an appallingly
genocidal and increasingly assertive Red China with both nations
eventually becoming the USA's fiercest foreign economic competitors.

Barely eight years after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the USA wound up with
some 33,000 US dead in a still divided and tense Korea, and some two
decades after that, 58,000 troops killed in a still Communist
Indochina--the last courtesy of a fruitless eight-year conflict (which
some have called the US version of the Boer War) that severely damaged
US social, economic and political institutions. We then were treated
to Pol Pot's notoriously barbaric Cambodian "Killing Fields," scads of
desperate Vietnamese "boat people," thousands of US troops and a
string of warships permanently deployed in the Far East, and, finally,
Chinese Long March ICBMs aimed at the US West Coast.
Another interesting thing:

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The Northern Marianas, conquered from Japan during World War
II, became a U.N. Trust Territory in 1947. In 1976, its
inhabitants voted by a three-to-one margin to become a self-
governing commonwealth of the United States whose inhabitants
gained U.S. citizenship 10 years later. The United Nations ended
its trusteeship of the territory in 1990.

To help spur economic growth on the islands, Congress agreed to
exempt the CNMI from federal minimum wage and immigration laws. In
the mid-1980s, the Mariana's government extended an open
invitation to foreign apparel manufacturers, eager to take
advantage of a ''Made in the USA'' label, to set up shop in CNMI.
However....

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President Bill Clinton's administration,
and key U.S. lawmakers [eventually] launched a major effort to retake
control of labour, immigration, and trade policies from the
Northern Mariana Islands, a Pacific territory given quasi-
independent status 22 years ago.

The territory, located about 1000 kms east of China, currently
hosts some 30 Asian-owned apparel factories employing as many as
37,000 workers from China, Bangladesh and the Philippines - lured
to the territory, denied their human rights, and forced into what
amounts to involuntary servitude, according to U.S. officials...

...''If these conditions existed in any of our states, we would
not tolerate it for one day,'' according to Rep. George Miller, a
Democrat, who released a report on the situation in the
Commonwealth last week . He said the report ''documents an
Orwellian nightmare of indentured and destitute labour, of
entrapped and abandoned workers, of forced prostitution and
coerced abortions, of government corruption, of denials of basic
labour and religious rights.''
U.S. Moves to Reassert Control of Pacific Territory - misc.activism.progressive | Google Groups

Personally, it seems that war and foreign political control easily creates chaos in any society.
What do you think?

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Old Mar 27, 2008, 09:35 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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Conflict will always exist except under two conditions:

1) All people are subjected under an authority that prevents conflict with force.

2) All mankind is wiped out. No more conflict.

Just my opinion. People will never be able to simply live in relative peace with no sort of social control. People will always naturally group into power structures then come into conflict with other power structures. Elimination of power structures is impossible.


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Old Mar 28, 2008, 02:29 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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Conflict will always exist except under two conditions: 1) All
people are subjected under an authority that prevents conflict with
force.
2) All mankind is wiped out.
And yet, if mankind is "wiped out," it will likely be the result of obedience to authority, as any sane analyst of power politics can attest. Force by no means is a safe guarantee when it comes to "preventing conflict." In fact, force is a better guarantor of conflict. Your idea is precidely why war is justified as a "humanitarian intervention" (which is a sick joke, at best).

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