Video: Feds fire on Brown Supporter in New Hampshire

[DadaOrwell2]

YouTube - Video: Feds fire on Brown supporter in New Hampshire

Exclusive footage of Federal agents' infamous encounter with "dog walker" Danny Riley during the "standoff" with New Hampshire tax protesters. Riley is on trial this week for allegedly donating a firearm to Ed and Elaine Brown...who holed up in their Plainfield home for eight months rather than submit to sentencing on tax charges. However he was "armed" only with a coffee mug during this incident...

[Milton Bradley]

Again, the Libertarian minded "nuts" are portrayed as the violent, or crazy ones, but we see who actually used violence to achieve their ends.


Quite telling, I'm sure, to those who think this government won't kill, or risk it's own citizens lives.

[HelioPrime]

If they had just paid taxes like the rest of us problems could have been avoided.

If you dislike the current government so much the leave the country and let the majority get on with our lives. Take Ron Paul will you when you go too please.

[Chaossaber314]

How do we know anything from that choppy footage?

Furthermore, even if the claim that he was fired on "with unknown ordinance" is true, how do we know it wasn't less than lethal beanbags or equivalent?

And what's he talking about with the resolution being lower during the action? It clearly says 720x400 the whole time even with the sudden semi-letterbox.

[lsbskins1]

Oooo! I'm so scared now. I bet we aren't far away from police attempting to arrest people who shoplift (no violence there) and chasing them if they do not stop when given a lawful order to do so. My God! What next? Being locked up for non-violently embezzeling funds from your employer? Such tyranny!

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: HelioPrime If they had just paid taxes like the rest of us problems could have been avoided. If you dislike the current government so much the leave the country and let the majority get on with our lives. Take Ron Paul will you when you go too please.

Who used violence to solve their problem?


Who fired first?


Who is the bad guy in this story?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 How do we know anything from that choppy footage? Furthermore, even if the claim that he was fired on "with unknown ordinance" is true, how do we know it wasn't less than lethal beanbags or equivalent? And what's he talking about with the resolution being lower during the action? It clearly says 720x400 the whole time even with the sudden semi-letterbox.

If you didn;t notice the difference in that footage during the time in question, you have your resolution set low, or you were trying not to notice the difference.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: lsbskins1 Oooo! I'm so scared now. I bet we aren't far away from police attempting to arrest people who shoplift (no violence there) and chasing them if they do not stop when given a lawful order to do so. My God! What next? Being locked up for non-violently embezzeling funds from your employer? Such tyranny!

They didn't appear to be there to arrest anybody, and they certainly didn't announce those intentions until their cover was blown.


Me, Id have attempted to sick the dog on them, and see how their lawyer defended that case in court. ( So I can use it when they sick the Nazi dogs on me. )

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Milton Bradley If you didn;t notice the difference in that footage during the time in question, you have your resolution set low, or you were trying not to notice the difference.

I wouldn't know since I'm not looking at the original video. The whole video was a mess as far as I'm concerned.

Plus I find it awfully convenient that the Ridley Report happened upon a video supposedly recorded by the Feds that just so happens to be of sh*t quality.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 I wouldn't know since I'm not looking at the original video. The whole video was a mess as far as I'm concerned. Plus I find it awfully convenient that the Ridley Report happened upon a video supposedly recorded by the Feds that just so happens to be of sh*t quality.

Typical tactics of the disingenouos bastards in question.


Why were they in camoflage hiding on the property in the first place?


Arrest them, or don't.


But no, no, they just had to go in with the guns blazing, demonstrating their strong arm protocols.


A perfect illustration of government gone bad. ( Hmmm, I wonder if I can market that like Girls Gone Wild? )

[Muckraker]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Who used violence to solve their problem? Who fired first? Who is the bad guy in this story?

They didn't use violence. If they did, the dog walker would be dead or injured. He was tasered, which is about as non-violent as stopping someone who is running away gets.

If there was a "shot" fired, it was clearly to deter him from running since anyone using military weaponry and trained in marksmanship would have taken him down had they been aiming at him.

When a dozen camouflaged guys come storming out of the woods and yell "freeze! Federal Marshals!" you either freeze or get tasered. It's that simple.

Also, who would support a couple of wealthy people whose argument against paying income tax is that there "is no law saying we must pay income tax." What the hell is wrong with those parasites? They are perfectly fine making it big in this country and yet won't pay a dime of the money they wouldn't have made in any other country?

They all should be tasered. Then their money and property should be taken and divided up amongst hardworking folks that live on the razor's edge of lower-middle class but yet still pay their damn income taxes even though one unexpected bill or medical expense could hurl them into debt they will spend the next ten years digging themselves out of.

Especially since one of those expenses is a frickin root canal which I'm sure Elaine Brown's dental offices happily gouged the heck out of everyone for.

What a joke.

[Technosoul]

Never (coffee) mug for the cameras.

Had to get in a cheap shot.

[Compugasm]

You just one step a way from being a real news reporter. All you need, is something that makes title graphics when people and places are introduced.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Milton Why were they in camoflage hiding on the property in the first place?

Perhaps surveillance? You know, something that even local police do before engaging in an action that might be dangerous? Maybe, they were preparing to arrest him at this point which is what it looks like to me.

Why does it matter? In a wooded area, camouflage typically helps conceal people. Why can't the government use it?

Maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions when we clearly don't have the full story or a decent enough recording to tell what really happened.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Muckraker They didn't use violence. If they did, the dog walker would be dead or injured. He was tasered, which is about as non-violent as stopping someone who is running away gets. If there was a "shot" fired, it was clearly to deter him from running since anyone using military weaponry and trained in marksmanship would have taken him down had they been aiming at him. When a dozen camouflaged guys come storming out of the woods and yell "freeze! Federal Marshals!" you either freeze or get tasered. It's that simple.

Well, with an attitude like that, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn you were quite familiar with electroshock therapy, and perhaps even came to like it, as it obviously shaped a great deal of your reality, however the same medicine does not work for everybody in all instances.


Wow, I didn't know patients were allowed to post directly from the asylum, but heck, what could it hurt.

Quote by: Muckraker Also, who would support a couple of wealthy people whose argument against paying income tax is that there "is no law saying we must pay income tax." What the hell is wrong with those parasites? They are perfectly fine making it big in this country and yet won't pay a dime of the money they wouldn't have made in any other country?

How about people who happen to agree with them, that the Supreme Court screwed up, and ruled incorrectly, granting the government too much power.

Quote by: Muckraker They all should be tasered. Then their money and property should be taken and divided up amongst hardworking folks that live on the razor's edge of lower-middle class but yet still pay their damn income taxes even though one unexpected bill or medical expense could hurl them into debt they will spend the next ten years digging themselves out of.

Ah, quite the vocal little commie, aren't you.

Quote by: Muckraker What a joke.

I agree, pretty much everything that came out of your mouth is laughable, at best.


That;s some philosophy you've got there.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Perhaps surveillance? You know, something that even local police do before engaging in an action that might be dangerous? Maybe, they were preparing to arrest him at this point which is what it looks like to me.

So you're OK with the Feds trespassing to surveil people?


To clarify my position, I'm not OK with that. Law enforcement is supposed t announce their presence, and their intent.

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Why does it matter? In a wooded area, camouflage typically helps conceal people. Why can't the government use it?

I was under the impression that was private property, and belonged to the people being targeted.

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions when we clearly don't have the full story or a decent enough recording to tell what really happened.

I don't really need to see a lot more to know that the government is overstepping it's bounds with behavior like that. It smells of Waco, or Ruby Ridge all over again.


Sorry, but where is the outcrry against violence, like I would be dealing with if the shots had flown in the other direction? Where is the condemnation of force?

[Muckraker]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Well, with an attitude like that, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn you were quite familiar with electroshock therapy, and perhaps even came to like it, as it obviously shaped a great deal of your reality, however the same medicine does not work for everybody in all instances. Wow, I didn't know patients were allowed to post directly from the asylum, but heck, what could it hurt. How about people who happen to agree with them, that the Supreme Court screwed up, and ruled incorrectly, granting the government too much power. Ah, quite the vocal little commie, aren't you. I agree, pretty much everything that came out of your mouth is laughable, at best. That;s some philosophy you've got there.

I see you chopped off the last quote about how Elaine Brown's dental offices garnered the Browns $2million that they paid no taxes, state or federal, on.

Did you know that Elaine Brown also happily accepted and cashed her Social Security checks? Doesn't that shed light on the fact that these two were just greedy pigs instead of noble tax protesters?

People choose to live in this country. If they want the benefits of living in this country then they follow the established rules and obey the established authorities. If they disagree with such fundamental practices as paying a portion of income to support the country or stopping when armed government employees shout for you to freeze then they can choose to either live in another country or get sued and/or tasered.

You should read more about the Browns before championing their "plight." They are no different than Snipes. They are parasites that used the practices, policies, and people of the United States to get rich and then claim they owe absolutely nothing in return. If they really believed that tripe they should have made the claims BEFORE they got rich and moved to some other country that more closely matched their utopian vision of statesmanship.

A true tax protester will not get rich off the American people, take Social Security checks, and live beyond their normal means on the money that would have gone to taxes. A true tax protester lives in poverty and only works menial jobs even though they may have the ability to make a lot more money. A true tax protester ensures they won't make enough money to have to pay taxes on as that is the only legal, nonviolent, way to not pay taxes.

And yes, they just recently got the internet at the asylum. Tax dollars hard at work

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Muckraker I see you chopped off the last quote about how Elaine Brown's dental offices garnered the Browns $2million that they paid no taxes, state or federal, on. Did you know that Elaine Brown also happily accepted and cashed her Social Security checks? Doesn't that shed light on the fact that these two were just greedy pigs instead of noble tax protesters?

Correct, I'm ignorant of all of the details surrounding this case.

Quote by: Muckraker People choose to live in this country. If they want the benefits of living in this country then they follow the established rules and obey the established authorities. If they disagree with such fundamental practices as paying a portion of income to support the country or stopping when armed government employees shout for you to freeze then they can choose to either live in another country or get sued and/or tasered.

Well, first the "established rules", and the "established authoriteis" have to be proven to be operating withing the bounds of the constitution. If not, they are not legitimate authorities, or rules, and need not be followed by citizens.


Being as the constitutionality of the laws are what's being questioned in this case, my sympathies lie with those who are "innocent until proven guilty", and not the hired thugs with license to kill.

Quote by: Muckraker You should read more about the Browns before championing their "plight." They are no different than Snipes. They are parasites that used the practices, policies, and people of the United States to get rich and then claim they owe absolutely nothing in return. If they really believed that tripe they should have made the claims BEFORE they got rich and moved to some other country that more closely matched their utopian vision of statesmanship.

Had you been paying attention, I was not championing their cause, but commenting on the tactics, and protocols of law enforcement.

Quote by: Muckraker A true tax protester will not get rich off the American people, take Social Security checks, and live beyond their normal means on the money that would have gone to taxes. A true tax protester lives in poverty and only works menial jobs even though they may have the ability to make a lot more money. A true tax protester ensures they won't make enough money to have to pay taxes on as that is the only legal, nonviolent, way to not pay taxes.

Well, see there, you have just described me.

Quote by: Muckraker And yes, they just recently got the internet at the asylum. Tax dollars hard at work

Well, perhaps you can be converted to a rational, logical human being, and can drop the Liberal propaganda, and the electroshock attack therepy advocacy.

[Muckraker]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Correct, I'm ignorant of all of the details surrounding this case. Well, first the "established rules", and the "established authoriteis" have to be proven to be operating withing the bounds of the constitution. If not, they are not legitimate authorities, or rules, and need not be followed by citizens.

Why? The constitution is a general guide, not a catch-all document. So you will not pull over when a police car has its sirens on because the constitution did not mention police or police cars? You will travel at twice the posted speed because the constitution doesn't mention speed limits?

Being as the constitutionality of the laws are what's being questioned in this case, my sympathies lie with those who are "innocent until proven guilty", and not the hired thugs with license to kill.

"Questioning" a law you have a problem with is vastly different than disobeying a law you have a problem with. The appropriate path is to obey the law but the question the law, get the law changed, and then obey the new law you agree with.

Had you been paying attention, I was not championing their cause, but commenting on the tactics, and protocols of law enforcement.

I forgot you were a fan of guns. I imagine it would be annoying to know that the government wouldn't come and knock on your door and say it was a fascist gun squad coming to take away your constitutional rights. The chance that you may not have time to get to your cache of weapons because the enemy is being "secretive" must keep you quite on edge.

Why in the world would federal agents come knock on the door and put their own lives at risk? Taser first, ask questions later. It's better for both parties that way. When you know the fed is coming you end up with things like Waco.

I see no problem at all with agents performing the most logical "operations" for the situation. It makes a great video for the fascist fodder websites but the end result is that no agents were killed or injured, the target wasn't killed or injured, and no property was damaged.

If I was on PCP and waving an Uzi around I would much prefer the cops sneak around and taser me from behind before "identifying themselves." If they did walk up and identify themselves then maybe I would shoot and kill a few of them and then maybe they would snipe my head off. Seems like a hefty price to pay and the only difference is that it gives me a chance to do something I will regret later.

Well, see there, you have just described me.

You should do more research before muddying your own reputation with greedy pigs like the Browns. You are a tax protester. The Browns are criminals living it up in a mansion on a hill.

The fundamental problem with your position is that you don't have many positive role models to side with. The Browns are pigs. The Branch Davidians were a bunch of child-molesting cultists. And peaceful tax protesters like yourself don't make the news until you become extremists.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Who used violence to solve their problem? Who fired first? Who is the bad guy in this story?

The bad guy is one who doesn't pay his taxes. End of story.

I enjoy how you ignore the facts that these are criminals. You'd rather them be hailed as hero's for not paying taxes.

Tough luck, this the real world where paying your taxes is a fact of life.