America's take on Obama-Wright is Bass Ackwards!

[DadaOrwell2]

Never mind whether Obama should associate himself with crazed pastors...the question is, should crazed pastors associate themselves with Obama?

YouTube - America's take on Obama-Wright is Bass Ackwards!

[Chris]

While We're at it lets look at McCain's Cooky nutcase pastor

John Hagee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hagee interprets the Bible to predict Russia and the Islamic states will invade Israel and will be destroyed by God. This will cause the anti-Christ, the head of the European Union, to create a confrontation over Israel between China and the West. A final battle between East and West at Armageddon will then precipitate the Second Coming of Christ.[11] In a discussion concerning Muhammad, Hagee asserts that Muhammad was a man of war and that this influence on Islam is the cause of the troubles of Jerusalem

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: DadaOrwell2 Never mind whether Obama should associate himself with crazed pastors...the question is, should crazed pastors associate themselves with Obama? YouTube - America's take on Obama-Wright is Bass Ackwards!

Just a question, how do you figure that Obama is doing anything with "stolen money"?

I can't stand these ridiculous hyperboles.

[Tycoon]

Of course it's backwards, the news will tell you whatever you want to hear, and what a lot of people like is faulty information about Obama. At least 25% of my history class still thinks he is Muslim despite my history teacher agreeing with me several times that he is not.

[Technosoul]

I thought the O.P. link was pretty cool, in a funny sort of way.

But it makes a good point (except that Bush did not baptise his kids or perform Obama's marrage).

This is very much along the same lines as when McCain said that he did not agree with a comment made by some right-wing radio host.

At first Obama got a big push because of his friendship with TV icon Oprah. Now I could have ranted about a "race conspiracy ". So now he is getting blamed for his friendship with Rev. Wright.

And the link brings up his friendly like behavior around President Bush. Next they will blame him because he is in fact a long friend of Hillary and Bill Clinton. Not to menton those Republicans he co-wrote bills with.

But hey! That is his platform, to unit all kinds of different people together into one big handshake of friendship. The good, bad, and ugly.

Gee - when we all do unit we will all be guilty of hanging out together with each other.

Fact is, we have already been united under one god - namely TV.

[Socrates]

First let me say that out of the candidates running I do support Obama. however of all the attacks leveled at him this is the one that disturbed me the most. Not for the damage it might cause but for the fact that it shock my trust in Obama. I don't know how many of you have seen this minister in action but you can be sure that he said some extremely offensive and racist things. I dont care how well he knows the guy, or what hes been through. the minister is twisted in a way that I find alarming.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Chris While We're at it lets look at McCain's Cooky nutcase pastor John Hagee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Difference is Hagee endorsed, but Obama attended Wright's semors and saw Wright as a mentor!

[Muckraker]

Quote by: Socrates First let me say that out of the candidates running I do support Obama. however of all the attacks leveled at him this is the one that disturbed me the most. Not for the damage it might cause but for the fact that it shock my trust in Obama. I don't know how many of you have seen this minister in action but you can be sure that he said some extremely offensive and racist things. I dont care how well he knows the guy, or what hes been through. the minister is twisted in a way that I find alarming.

I'll second this view. I am a big Obama fan but I find it very strange that he chose to go to sermons if they were like the ones in the videos. People choose their religions and their churches and if someone goes weekly to a church where the preacher is saying very unusual things then it can only be assumed that the people attending are at least partially in agreement.

The Obama that is presented to the public would, in my opinion, not go back to that church again after hearing a sermon like the ones in the video.

I think this could definitely damage his chances at the White House and I hope that dumbass Reverend Wright is happy that he alone has probably nixed Obama's presidency. What a moron. All he had to do was shut up and resign but instead he decides to have his "sermons" videotaped. What the hell did he think was going to happen??

What would our response be if dozens of videos of Hillary's hypothetical female preacher became public and the female preacher was like a rockstar to a room full of women and she was talking about how men suck and they are tired of having only men in power? And the whole room of women is whooping and cheering at every inflammatory word?

Big problems for us democrats right now.

[Sonart]

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LOL!! Nice catch, Chris. Where's the media on that one?


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[lsbskins1]

Again, this is a tricky one that I want to be sure to address very carefully. On the one hand, I find it disgusting but not surprising that so many American's could be "shocked, shocked I tell you" that a black man who came of age in the civil rights era would have anger towards the government and a measure of mistrust towards his white countrymen. Who do they think was at fault for the repression and attack dogs and high pressure waterhoses?

That being said, I also find it disgusting, but not surprising that so many Obama supporters would be "shocked, shocked I tell you" that Obama would be held to account for this association. Did they think he would forever walk between the raindrops. Hillary Clinton is ravaged daily for the sins of those she has association with - Wal-Mart, Hsu and others. Either your associations are fair game or they are not. This is presidential politics and no matter how much of a darling Obama is to his suppoters, the big guns are going to be aimed at him. He is in the game, he can not expect that these things will not happen. I think he hoped for the best and got used to being the wonder-kid and thought he could avoid the "monster of perception" by ignoring the situation. The political game is more than half of the equation in practical presidental campaigns, and this was a big mistake on his part. He should have made that speech soon after he announced, knowing that those sermons would piss off a good-sized portion of the public. Front end money is always less costly than back end money.

[Socrates]

your misinterpretation of what i meant is astounding. you in all your narrowmindedness didn't understand that I wasn't trying to make a reference to how much this was going to hurt him. And whatever delusion your telling yourself you have to admit that most of the candidates dont have close associations with extreme racists. Blaming the son for what the father did is one of the most stupid things that you can do. if the reverend is to dumb to realize that the situation in America is very different then that's his problem but i dont think Obama should be associated with him.

[lsbskins1]

Quote by: Socrates your misinterpretation of what i meant is astounding. you in all your narrowmindedness didn't understand that I wasn't trying to make a reference to how much this was going to hurt him. And whatever delusion your telling yourself you have to admit that most of the candidates dont have close associations with extreme racists. Blaming the son for what the father did is one of the most stupid things that you can do. if the reverend is to dumb to realize that the situation in America is very different then that's his problem but i dont think Obama should be associated with him.

I'm assuming you were talking to me, so...

I was not responding to what you meant, I was addressing what I see as the reality of the situation. These attacks are coming from the right, from Limbaugh and Hannity and the like. I am saying they are fools if they believe that there is not some justification in Wright's attitude and they are stupid if they do not see some of the attitudes and statements from right-wing preachers (Faldwell, Robertson, et.al.) as reprehensible on a different, even greater level. No gay person ever sent attack dogs after young fundementalist children who were marching to be able to pray over an intercom at school. No feminist ever lynched a Baptist preacher for telling her she needs to obey her husband.

But I was also saying that Obama made a flat out, stupid political mistake in not distancing himself from this guy hard and early. It's hardball and he should have known this was coming.

[xyzer]

First let me say that out of the candidates running I do support Obama. however of all the attacks leveled at him this is the one that disturbed me the most. Not for the damage it might cause but for the fact that it shock my trust in Obama. I don't know how many of you have seen this minister in action but you can be sure that he said some extremely offensive and racist things. I dont care how well he knows the guy, or what hes been through. the minister is twisted in a way that I find alarming.

From the evidence Socrates I dont see how you can support this faker?

Evidently Obama cared so much for the nonsense and racism that his friend Wright preaches that he donated over $20,000 to the church so Wright could continue preaching hate in a so called Christian church?
By the way ibskins are factual matters attacks? The various news media, including Limbaugh are just sayin(printing) historical facts about Obams associations. They are also pointing out the hypocrisy of his past statemtts with his present exculpatory staements?

How any one can support a tu-d so low as to "throw his grandmother under the bus" with a comparison of her private remark to him with several decades of anti US, anti White distortions of fact I cant figure. Thats what Wright has been preaching in a public venue for several decades?.

Evidently Obama is a racist adopting the "black" victim charade and a menace to our consitution and rule of law? Is this change that he claims to want concerned with raising only the status and wealth of blacks as he runs down his own country in agreeing with his mentor. How can a man that condones irrational, unsubstantiated criticism of his country be a proper candidate to lead it?

[xyzer]

ibskins since when did the pointing out of facts and past actions which disproved Obamas remarks constitute "attacks"? Wierd? If I submit a fact that disproves one of your past statments is that an attack?

But I was also saying that Obama made a flat out, stupid political mistake in not distancing himself from this guy hard and early. It's hardball and he should have known this was coming

Does an racist, socialistic leaning big government guy who wants to give away all sort of largess and appears to hate his country make a good candidate to lead his country? Does this same guy who applauds and supports an anti american theme in his church show evidence of good judgement? Does a guy who you admit makes stupid political mistakes show good judgement?

[Socrates]

For his many faults Obama is still the best candidate. while I agree with many republican philosophy's I'm still more democratic leaning. Hillary would have at least as hard of a time getting the white house as Obama would and i have almost no trust in her. Even if MaCain didn't die i doubt that he would be able to lead the country. his entire experience seems limited to the military which really isn't enough for a president to be viable as a candidate. Obama may at time be to deep and philosophical but at the end of the day I think hes the best candidate. if someone better comes along please tell me because ill switch my support in a second.

[lsbskins1]

Quote by: xyzer ibskins since when did the pointing out of facts and past actions which disproved Obamas remarks constitute "attacks"? Wierd? If I submit a fact that disproves one of your past statments is that an attack? Does an racist, socialistic leaning big government guy who wants to give away all sort of largess and appears to hate his country make a good candidate to lead his country? Does this same guy who applauds and supports an anti american theme in his church show evidence of good judgement? Does a guy who you admit makes stupid political mistakes show good judgement?

Pet peeves first - my tag is, in all caps LSBSKINS1, but it is lowercase, so lsbskins1 - it comes from my initials - lsb - and my love of the Redskins, which leads to the endy part - 'skins#1, so lsbskins1. And, I am not a guy. So "she" or "her" not, "he" or "him".

Now, to the substance of your post. It is valid to point out facts that contradict someones assertions. So, if I said "John Adams was our first and best President.", it would be right to point out the fact that he was not the first and it would be perfectly acceptable to post factual points that might lead one to doubt his position as best. But, it is bogus to allow someone to say "George Washington was far better because he did not wear a goofy white wig!" They both wore goofy white wigs. You can not ignore a "fault" in your guy because he is your guy and "condemn" it in another because he is not your guy. That is what makes the right's attacks stupid and unfounded and nothing more than attacks.

Now, Obama is not my guy. I am a Democrat, but Edwards was my guy and Clinton is my second choice, but only by the slimest of margins. I will vote for whoever comes out of the Democratic primaries with the nomination. I do not believe Obama is a racist nor do I believe Clinton or Ferraro are racists. I can sort though electioneering hyperbole and see facts as facts. Can you? I do not believe Republicans hate their country because they take policy positions that I believe will damage the country. Why do you need to believe Obama hates his country? Does it make you feel better when you see the opposition as evil as opposed to being just what it is, political oppostion? And where is the evidence that Obama is "supportive" of the views of Wright. There is evidence that he understands why he feels as he does, but no evidence that he supports those positions. Again, I can see the facts through the political hyperbole, can you?

[xyzer]

Sorry I mispelled your nom de plume isbskins. My grievious error is compounded by the fact you are a 'Redskins' fan. I too followed them when I lived in the DC, Northern Virginia and Southern Maryland area some years ago. But when I moved west I lost interest.

By the way I can best respond to your tutorial...

You can not ignore a "fault" in your guy because he is your guy and "condemn" it in another because he is not your guy. That is what makes the right's attacks stupid and unfounded and nothing more than attacks.

by reminding you that, Yes, you can!!! If thats what you do for a living. Limbaugh and those of his ilk make millions doing it. Besides in the process they bring up some valid points often overlooked in the fawning media. Such as Chris Mathews nonsense about Obamas racist speech(can we call it throwing ones grandma under the bus speech) being Lincoln like? The media has become so tilted to the left that they routinely favor leftist(Democrat) candidates either by comission or omission? Reporters are no supposed to be subjective they are supposed to give us facts unfiltered by their opinions. News has become OpEd reporting!

Anyway I can't think of three worse candidates for president than we have today. The two ostensibly 'Democrat' are more akin to Socialists. Promising us all sorts of goodies and never counting the costs. Never considering the staggering amount of big government such largess causes.I'm a tax payer and I resent such fiscal foolishness! Neither has any experience at management. One turns out to be a racist?
The Republican is much more experienced.....he has been a Rep and a Senator for many years, has fought for his country rather than denigrated it?
None have any business experience?

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: DadaOrwell2 Never mind whether Obama should associate himself with crazed pastors...the question is, should crazed pastors associate themselves with Obama? YouTube - America's take on Obama-Wright is Bass Ackwards!

Interesting take. Further on, much of what you accuse Barack of doing, you seem to admit most politicians do. Be interesting if that were more up front, except it would admittedly destroy the flow of the irony and sarcasm I appreciated. (I'm serious... I did.)

[xyzer]

Ken you speak with straight tongue...politicians rarely do?


Clinton was recently caught lying about her visit to Bosnia? She admits she "mis-spoke"? Your guess is as good as mine as to whether thats telling a whopper or just part of the political game. Her whole depiction of her participation in the nations governance(experience) while 'first lady' is an enormous exaggeration! She didn't even have a security clearance?

Do we think Obama 's grandmother really was a racist? Do we think his speech was a true depiction of the context of her comments? Can we compare such an individual comment to Wrights years of hatemongering from the pulpit? Is he serious?

McCain is not adverse to the same 'whoppermongering'! One thing favorable about him is his obvious patriotism and service to his country. He did sacrifice, which is more that either of the other present candidates did.

[GHook93]

This is just crazy! The Jews were creating a bomb to kill all Arabs and Blacks! Absolutely amazing. Note in the article Oprah quite the church years ago. Maybe, unlike Obama, she won't stand for such hatred, anti-semitism and anti-americanism.

Like or not libs, this church directly reflects what Obama accepted!
Obama-church newsletter: Israel making 'ethnic bomb'

Obama-church newsletter: Israel making 'ethnic bomb' Accuses 'apartheid' state of creating weapon 'that kills blacks and Arabs' Posted: March 25, 2008 3:06 pm Eastern By Aaron Klein © 2008 WorldNetDaily Sanctuary at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago JERUSALEM – Sen. Barack Obama's Chicago church published an open letter from a Palestinian activist that labels Israel an "apartheid" regime and claims the Jewish state worked on an "ethnic bomb" that kills "blacks and Arabs." The letter, discovered by the blog Sweetness & Light, was published on the "Pastor's Page" of the Trinity United Church of Christ newsletter reserved for Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., whose anti-American, anti-Israel remarks prompted the presidential candidate to deliver a major race speech last week. "I must tell you that Israel was the closest ally to the white supremacists of South Africa," wrote the letter's author, Ali Baghdadi. "In fact, South Africa allowed Israel to test its nuclear weapons in the ocean off South Africa. The Israelis were given a blank check: they could test whenever they desired and did not even have to ask permission. Both worked on an ethnic bomb that kills Blacks and Arabs." The June 10, 2007, newsletter, which is still available at Obama's church's website, identifies Baghdadi as an Arab-American activist, writer and columnist who "acted as a Middle East advisor to the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, the founder of the Nation of Islam, as well as Minister Louis Farrakhan." The piece is titled "An open letter to Oprah," referring to talk show giant Oprah Winfrey, who last year accepted an invitation to visit Israel offered to her by Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel. Winfrey had been a member of Obama's church but reportedly departed in 1986.

Good for you Oprah, there is a reason you are one of the most respected Americans in America and the World!