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![]() Aristotle Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,392 | Israel/Palestine Solution? I know everyone has an opinion on it. The anti-semites usually start with that Israel shouldn't have been crearted. That is moot, since it is created and nothing short of nuking Israel will change that (which would cause Israel to nuke half the Middle East if it came to that). Also a single state seems out of the question, since both sides would more likely kill each other - think Japanese fighting fish when you remove the barrier. Status quo is unacceptable. So here is what I think. The main stopping blocks are: (1) Refugee situation, (2) Jerusalem/East Jerusalem, (3) The holy sites, (4) the Settlements, (5) Terrorism, (6) Acceptance by the Arab League (something they said they would do) & (7) Arab Israelis. (1) Refugee Problem: The law of return has to be restricted to the future Palestinian state. No rational country would take on millions of self-proclaimed enemies of the state. Israel and the West would compensate these refugees to help them get on their feet. (2) Jerusalem: Jerusalem status should be up for a vote. Each section of Jerusalem votes if they want to be part of Jerusalem or Al Quds. I really don't know the demographics of the areas, but I assume the Jews pick Jerusalem and the Arabs will pick Al Quds. Each side compensates the displaced population when the vote results are determined. (3) Holy sites: I will admit I don't know all of them. But I assume the dome on the rock mosque will end up in Al Quds and the Western Wall will end up in Jerusalem. Both make a commitment that in 1 year they open up the holy sites to visits by the other sides, if its feasible. (4) Settlements: Some settlements on the West Bank are kept by Israel, but equal land is given to Palestine in exchange, such as the land bridge from Gaza to the West Bank and some of the heavily Arab neighbors on the border. (5) Terrorism & violence: Both sides sign a commit to the security of each other's nation and to combat terrorism. In addition both agree to recognize and respect each other's sovernity. Both sides sign trade agreements and establish embassies in each other's capitals. (6) Arab Recognition: The Arab league has stated they would agree to do this. Formally recognize Israel, lift the sanctions against Israel, accept from and establish embassies in Israel and establish trade agreements with Israel. They also accept an Israeli representative to the Arab League. With an Arab population of 20%, I think they qualify. Obviously the representative would be an Israeli Arab MK! (7) Israeli Arabs: Force them to make the choice of which country to become a citizen of: Israel or Palestine. If they choose Palestine then they are required to move to Palestine at their own expense. If they choose Israel then they must formally file and accept Israeli citizenship. Please no coming back with anti-semitic comments, genocidial talk. the plight of the Palestinians, etc. It is about solutions not about past problems! ![]() Last edited by GHook93; Mar 12, 2008 at 01:28 pm. |
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What I propose for a Palestinian state is an area of land including Gaza but larger. The northern border would be just above Ashdod, east to BetShemesh, south to Beersheba, west to the border of Sinai (unless Egypt would agree to give up some of the Sinai Penninsula). In the alternative, I would propose a northwestern state going from the ancient city of Caesarea on the south to the Lebanon border on the north and going eastward to Nazareth (a vertical line going through Nazareth northward to the Lebanon border and southward to a point due east of Caesarea. "America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own." -John Quincy Adams - | |||||||
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| Hot Lava Location: Houston, TX Posts: 927 | Quote:
That Israel exists NOW is hardly a determining factor as to whether the solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the abolition of Israel (Just as the current non-existence of a Palestinian state is not a determining factor as to whether the solution to the problem is its creation). You are arbitrarily deciding that destroying Israel is not a solution, based on a premise in affirming the status quo, yet in regards to the creation of the Palestinian state you reject the status quo. I suggest that a better, alternative solution to the problem is the forceful occupation of Israel, and the exportation of Zionists and resistant Jews to willing countries. If no country is willing to harbor them, the Jews are summarily executed or imprisoned. Problem solved. | |
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![]() Aristotle Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,392 | Quote:
If you want to talk genocide there are all white power forums. If you want to talk solutions, then come up with one. ![]() History is history. The Jews are there. Get over it. | |
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| blasphemer Location: Michigan Posts: 7,612 | Quote:
Grandpa h. News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising. - Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail | |
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| Igneous Magma Posts: 320 | Can we just put a bubble over the region and wait for the smoke to clear? I don't think *any* amount of external interference is going to fix this one. The harder "we" try, the harder "they" fight. Maybe we can terraform the country and add some layers, so they can all exist at the same X,Y coordinates on the map, just add a "Z" factor, and maybe rotate on the decade or something so they can access the shared holy sites that NOBODY is interested in sharing. For the record, I don't think I'm an anti-Semite, before that gets tossed out there. |
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| blasphemer Location: Michigan Posts: 7,612 | Quote:
Grandpa h. News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising. - Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail | |
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| blasphemer Location: Michigan Posts: 7,612 | Quote:
Leave and perhaps give some reparations for all the misery we contributed to over the years. That's not "the solution" per se -- but -- as far as I'm concerned, it's the only legitimate course of action. Grandpa h. News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising. - Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail | |
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Side note: I can somewhat understand the motive for the Arab states keeping the Palestinians in concentration camps, but why has the Palestinian Authority not eliminated the concentration camps in West Bank and Gaza. They have received billions of dollars in foreign aid to make this happen, but not one has been dismanteled. Why does the PA voluntarily choose to hold their people back? FFT We also need to intervene to make sure both sides at least stay somewhat committed to the peace process. Its a hotbed situation that needs a solutions and we shouldn't let it spiral into complete chaos Quote:
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| blasphemer Location: Michigan Posts: 7,612 | GHook, What's your take on the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in general, and the Sabra-Shatila massacre in particular? Grandpa h. News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising. - Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail |
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![]() Molten Ash Posts: 101 | Whats the Sabra-Shatila massacre? And this problem is so out of hand that WE can't really do much about it, and if they really want to survive in this world than they are going to have to solve their own differences. In reality though the state of israel should not have been created, the U.N. virtually stole all that land from the palastinians. But what can we do about it is the question? |
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![]() Aristotle Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,392 | If you want to start another thread I will educate you on this. People only look to what Israel didn't do and blame them. They ignore what the perpetrators did. And after the massacre what Israel did. But like I said that is another thread Quote:
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"America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own." -John Quincy Adams - Last edited by Chancellor; Mar 17, 2008 at 03:46 pm. | |||||||
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"America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own." -John Quincy Adams - | |
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