Newly Released FBI Timeline Reveals New Information about 9/11

[thx1138]

Ok, I will post this again, and this time just people who have read the article comment about its contents. Please not the same BS that happen last time just comment on the article not gross generalities by people who have not read it and have nothing to add.

A contributor to the History Commons has obtained a 298-page document entitled Hijackers Timeline (Redacted) from the FBI, subsequent to a Freedom of Information Act request. The document was a major source of information for the 9/11 Commission’s final report. Though the commission cited the timeline 52 times in its report, it failed to include some of the document’s most important material. The printed document is dated November 14, 2003, but appears to have been compiled in mid-October 2001 (the most recent date mentioned in it is October 22, 2001), when the FBI was just starting to understand the backgrounds of the hijackers, and it contains almost no information from the CIA, NSA, or other agencies. This raises questions as to why the 9/11 Commission relied so heavily on such an early draft for their information about the hijackers.

2/14/2008: Newly Released FBI Timeline Reveals New Information about 9/11 Hijackers that Was Ignored by 9/11 Commission

[HelioPrime]

My comments:

Enough already. 9/11 happened.

Get on with life and stop trying to look for more blame. If there really was and evidence that would hold up in court against the government or some quasi military industry complex you can bet you'd be dead before you brought it to light.

[Clarence]

the investigation is incomplete. 9/11 resulted in an unjustified war.

[thx1138]

It's what I thought, people run their mouths about 9/11 but when asked to read something and debate it... they say nothing.

[HelioPrime]

Because debating about this would be pandering to fools who dream of grand conspiracy's where shadowy councils rule the US and the entire military and industry is all being pulled by strings to some insidious world government agenda...... yah I think most people are a little sick of the fantasies.

[Clarence]

the investigation of 9/11 is incomplete. 9/11 resulted in an unjustified war in iraq.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: thx1138 It's what I thought, people run their mouths about 9/11 but when asked to read something and debate it... they say nothing.

Yeah, like there wasn't already a thread on this that was closed where some of us did post. Should we shell out the same tired arguments all over again while you spout sh*t like you're suddenly an expert on everything, and we need to "do the research" while you speak from a realm that denies basic logic? Really? Do we need to go through this ignorant exercise again?


9/11 happened as the result of Muslim fundamentalist terrorists embarrassing the nation as a whole and showing the majority of our leadership and military to be completely incompetent and ruining the lives of countless thousands upon thousands including their families who will never be the same again.

Let it go.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 9/11 happened as the result of Muslim fundamentalist terrorists embarrassing the nation as a whole and showing the majority of our leadership and military to be completely incompetent and ruining the lives of countless thousands upon thousands including their families who will never be the same again. Let it go.

Agreed.

As people love to say in the religion forums, where is the evidence?

And by evidence I mean real facts and data that is CREDIBLE. Not personal websites with pretty pictures and red circles and BS about unbroken glass windows or fake interviews with business men.

[thx1138]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 9/11 happened as the result of Muslim fundamentalist terrorists embarrassing the nation as a whole and showing the majority of our leadership and military to be completely incompetent and ruining the lives of countless thousands upon thousands including their families who will never be the same again. Let it go.

Oil, smoke & mirrors - sous-titré français

[thx1138]

Quote by: HelioPrime Because debating about this would be pandering to fools who dream of grand conspiracy's where shadowy councils rule the US and the entire military and industry is all being pulled by strings to some insidious world government agenda...... yah I think most people are a little sick of the fantasies.

Only fool here is the who can't see why this happed...


And again if you can't be brothered to read the link at the top of thread, keep your BS to yourself.

[Suburbanite]

look, im not a conspiracy theorist, i only know history, and historically speaking, its a common occurrence to later reveal that justifications for war were fake and trumped up. It would only be appropriate to investigate it beyond the "9/11 commission" which was lead by a very obvious member of the alleged conspiracy.

[thx1138]

Quote by: Suburbanite look, im not a conspiracy theorist, i only know history, and historically speaking, its a common occurrence to later reveal that justifications for war were fake and trumped up. It would only be appropriate to investigate it beyond the "9/11 commission" which was lead by a very obvious member of the alleged conspiracy.

All major events in history have been done through some sort of conspiracy, it is an old trick to label someone a "conspiracy theorist" to make them feel that asking questions is some how wrong. Don't let that label in any way stop from investagating and ask questions.

Only sheeple and farm animals buy what is feed them, have the common sense to stand away from this herd (you may step in some of their dong if you get too close!).

This is video has some good background history on the "conspiracy".
The Capitalist Conspiracy: An Inside View of International Banking by G. Edward

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: thx1138 Oil, smoke & mirrors - sous-titré français

Oh well that changes everything. Der.

[thx1138]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Oh well that changes everything. Der.

Glad to see you're waking up.

I hope there are some people on this board that is old enough to really discuss the article posted at the top of this thread.. comments like "Der" show me you're not quite functioning on the adult level yet.

Enough with the people commenting who have not read the article this should be a debate on the information stated in the article, if you can't or don't want to read it then don't run off at the mouth.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: thx1138 Only sheeple and farm animals buy what is feed them, have the common sense to stand away from this herd (you may step in some of their dong if you get too close!).

Only 12 posts in and you're already falling back on typical 9/11 denier insults and deflections from the fact that the deniers have no proof of anything.

Congratulations.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: THX I hope there are some people on this board that is old enough to really discuss the article posted at the top of this thread.. comments like "Der" show me you're not quite functioning on the adult level yet.

Really? Cause I was just thinking the same thing about certain people who apparently have issues with constructing arguments and simply post links to bad videos. Never mind the child like delusional obsession with a patently fictional series of a events.

Enough with the people commenting who have not read the article this should be a debate on the information stated in the article, if you can't or don't want to read it then don't run off at the mouth.

If you can't honestly provide rebuttals to points made, don't complain when you're dismissed outright.

Oh, I know.

Post another video.

That'll show me up.

[HelioPrime]

I notice a trend when it comes to conspiracies.

Regarding religion people demand X,Y and Z evidence.

Yet regarding these crackpot theories they just use intuition by watching a broadcast and doubting what's spoken. Why does evidence only apply to religion yet we believe these insane theories just off personal doubt over what the media says.

[Chaossaber314]

It's not just a trend.

Conspiracy Belief is the same thing as religious belief.

A rigid unfounded belief about something greater or more powerful than the individual in order to satiate a borderline narcissistic goal of feeling more important about themselves. If someone is trying to conspire against you or hide facts from you, that means they recognize you exist. Something the reported "conspirators" IE the government, has shown time and time again that frankly they don't care.

Furthermore, the mindset that "My religion is right and yours is not so you're going to Hell (or wherever for the sake of the hypothetical)" is nearly identical to "I have everything figured out because I'm more intelligent than the brain washed sheeple."

[Kite]

I apologize in advance for the ridiculous length of the following post, but it must be done.

New evidence suggests that some of the hijackers were assisted by employees of the Saudi government. It has previously been reported that Omar al-Bayoumi, a Saudi who was paid by the Saudi government despite not doing any work, assisted hijackers Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi when they first moved to the US. The FBI timeline shows that when these two hijackers moved into their first San Diego apartment, they indicated that they had been living with Bayoumi in the apartment next door for the previous two weeks. In fact, they had been with him in that apartment since January 15, 2000, the very day they first flew into the US, arriving in Los Angeles. The timeline also reveals that hijacker Hani Hanjour was seen in Bayoumi’s apartment.

So they were living with a fellow countryman in the pay of the Saudi government. So what? Please explain the relevance.

The new book The Commission by New York Times reporter Philip Shenon published last week further reveals that Bayoumi had close ties to Fahad al-Thumairy, a radical imam working in the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles. For instance, Bayoumi frequently called al-Thumairy while living next door to the two hijackers, and also frequently called the Saudi embassy in Washington, D.C. The book also reveals that the 9/11 Commission was aware of “explosive” revelations about the ties between Bayoumi, Thumairy, and the two hijackers, but the commission’s final report omitted “virtually all of the most serious allegations against the Saudis,” due to diplomatic considerations. Now, thanks to this FBI timeline, we are discovering more of this suppressed evidence relating to Saudi Arabia.

So it appears that the hijackers were using this Bayoumi's ties to the Saudi embassy. There IS corruption in ALL government, even that of Saudi Arabia. Even if this Bayoumi was getting some kind of direction from the Saudi embassy, that doesn't mean that corruption goes all the way to the top. There is always something that doesn't smell quite right flying under the radar of every major government, but most governments ruling heads don't have informants that tell them about these things.

Security camera footage obtained by the FBI after 9/11 indicated that Khalid Almihdhar and possibly Salem Alhazmi cased Dulles Airport in Washington, D.C., the evening before 9/11. This fits the account of a security guard , related in Unsafe at Any Altitude by Joe and Susan Trento, who independently claimed to have seen two hijackers, Salem’s brother Nawaf and Marwan Alshehhi, casing Dulles Airport the night before 9/11. This guard claims the two hijackers were part of a group of five men, three of whom were dressed in United Airlines ramp worker uniforms, that behaved suspiciously. Despite a lawsuit by 9/11 victims’ relatives against United Airlines and others for negligence, the US government has never revealed the existence of this video footage which might support claims that the hijackers had inside help.

All this was realized after the fact. Even IF the FBI was somehow clued in that they were casing the joint in preparation for a hijacking tomorrow, there would be paperwork and signatures required to mobilize any kind of strike, therefore there wouldn't have been time anyway. No one could've predicted what would happen on 9/11. Blaming the airport is just a knee jerk reaction of people looking for closure.

Hijackers Marwan Alshehhi and Hamza Alghamdi purchased hundreds of dollars of “pornographic video and sex toys” in Florida. They spent $252 on video and toys in early July 2001, and then another $183 later that month. Furthermore, Satam Al Suqami likely paid for a sex escort in Boston on September 7, 2001. Alshehhi was also recognized by six dancers at Cheetah’s, a nightclub in Pompano Beach, Florida. This fits in with other evidence of the hijackers drinking alcohol, paying for lap dancers, watching pornographic videos, etc…—hardly the expected behavior of religious radicals.

It seems to me they knew they were going to bite if they succeeded, or get thrown in jail for the rest of their lives if they got caught. Its a real life 'what would you do if you only had 2 weeks to live' scenario.

I'm not going to do the whole article, because much of it is the same. Its unimportant details that might point to some kind of backing from Saudi Arabia. So what? We knew that the Saudis had dealt with Bin Laden in the past and had given plenty of money to him. Unless a Saudi leader comes out and says 'I KNEW ABOUT THIS AND I DIDN'T TELL ANYONE', we will never be able to prove that they played a direct part in it.

Move on. There is no grand conspiracy to subvert the American people into hating Muslims. There is no secret society, there is no plot, there is NOTHING.

[thx1138]

Quote by: Kite I apologize in advance for the ridiculous length of the following post, but it must be done. So they were living with a fellow countryman in the pay of the Saudi government. So what? Please explain the relevance. So it appears that the hijackers were using this Bayoumi's ties to the Saudi embassy. There IS corruption in ALL government, even that of Saudi Arabia. Even if this Bayoumi was getting some kind of direction from the Saudi embassy, that doesn't mean that corruption goes all the way to the top. There is always something that doesn't smell quite right flying under the radar of every major government, but most governments ruling heads don't have informants that tell them about these things. All this was realized after the fact. Even IF the FBI was somehow clued in that they were casing the joint in preparation for a hijacking tomorrow, there would be paperwork and signatures required to mobilize any kind of strike, therefore there wouldn't have been time anyway. No one could've predicted what would happen on 9/11. Blaming the airport is just a knee jerk reaction of people looking for closure. It seems to me they knew they were going to bite if they succeeded, or get thrown in jail for the rest of their lives if they got caught. Its a real life 'what would you do if you only had 2 weeks to live' scenario. I'm not going to do the whole article, because much of it is the same. Its unimportant details that might point to some kind of backing from Saudi Arabia. So what? We knew that the Saudis had dealt with Bin Laden in the past and had given plenty of money to him. Unless a Saudi leader comes out and says 'I KNEW ABOUT THIS AND I DIDN'T TELL ANYONE', we will never be able to prove that they played a direct part in it. Move on. There is no grand conspiracy to subvert the American people into hating Muslims. There is no secret society, there is no plot, there is NOTHING.

Thank you. You at least read the article before commenting that makes you a rare case.

Move on. There is no grand conspiracy to subvert the American people into hating Muslims. There is no secret society, there is no plot, there is NOTHING.

This is what was said about the JFK assassination over forty years ago, and now most intelligent people today don't believe the orginal story about the lone gun man.

To say there is "NOTHING" would mean it all happened by accident, which of course is not true and I know you did not mean that.

What hits a nerve with people is to think that members of their government could of had something to do with 9/11 (or JFK) and that's not easy to take or believe. With all the stress of trying to make a living and provide for your family or move up to a better level in life, to think that people that you believe are there to serve you turn out to have their own agenda which does not include you or me, is too much for some people.

If I was living in the U.S. maybe I would feel the same about what happened on 9/11, but thank God I'm not seeing these events from inside the U.S. so Iook at things with worrying about what my family or friends will think. It's sad by many people are scare about what their peers will think about them if they have a different opinion. It's the old "hey man what do you think about ...?, don't know dude, here have a beer and watch the game!".

Ok back to the article,

We knew that the Saudis had dealt with Bin Laden in the past and had given plenty of money to him. Unless a Saudi leader comes out and says 'I KNEW ABOUT THIS AND I DIDN'T TELL ANYONE', we will never be able to prove that they played a direct part in it.

The Saudis and the Bin Ladens have a much more complex relationship then what you many think. sorry to post a link that people (oh my god) may have to read, CBC News: the fifth estate: Conspiracy Theories - The Saudi Connection

1978 Charles W. "Bill" White, a former Annapolis graduate and US Navy pilot, graduates from Harvard's business school. He is then introduced to Jim Bath who is looking for someone to manage his real estate company. Bath hires White as his partner. Money from the bin Laden and bin Mahfouz families is invested in Bath's real estate company. Among other things, Bath buys the Saudis an airport, office and apartment buildings, and invests in Texas banks. Eventually, Salem Bin Laden and Khalid bin Mahfouz buy an enormous mansion in River Oaks, Houston's most affluent neighborhood. Read an interview with Bill White Bush Jr. was a young man when he received funding for his first oil venture from Jim Bath. George W. Bush starts up an oil company in Texas called Arbusto 78. Bath will invest money from Salem bin Laden and Khalid bin Mahfouz in this new company. Bill White is told by Bath that more than $1-million of the Saudis' money was pumped into Bush's venture.

And if you really care about this relationship between the Saudis, Bin Laden family and Bush this interview with Bill White.
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/white.pdf

after reading the links if you still think that there is "NOTHING" to it then by all means do, but like with JFK in forty years you maybe singing a new tune.
The Men Who Killed Kennedy Part 1